five stars 1,767 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 After Brown's appeal being successful, are we now to assume that late, aggressive, dangerous tackles from behind are now deemed to only warrant a yellow card? I'm old enough to remember when tackles like that were commonplace, and a yellow was the usual consequence of such a tackle, but how long ago was it that it became a red card offence, over a decadeĀ ago? So have the rules been changed back? Will tackles like Brown's, if they happen up and down the country tomorrow be deemed to be only worthy of a yellow card? In a court of law when a judgement is passed this is often used as a reference for future cases, it affects and shapes how the law is applied. And this is similar, as the independent panel have set a precedent, that such tackles only warrant a yellow. Well I'm looking forward to an exciting weekend of football, with plenty of potential leg breaking meaty challenges flying in, I'm just glad I'm not a referee, as they have been totally undermined by the panel's decision. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hilts 12,819 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Only if you play in green and grey hoops. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Soprano 22,428 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Canny talk about it due to legal reasons Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
devref 201 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 as a fan and ref I am stunned that he got that reduced to a yellow. the whole context of the tackle was with intent. he had been caught and should have had a foul then the penalty decision gives him the right hump and he lost the plot in that tackle even timmy mate down here is lost on how he got away with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElBufalo20 8,160 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 1 minute ago, devref said: as a fan and ref I am stunned that he got that reduced to a yellow. the whole context of the tackle was with intent. he had been caught and should have had a foul then the penalty decision gives him the right hump and he lost the plot in that tackle even timmy mate down here is lost on how he got away with it. Thats what I don't understand. They had already had a tussle and it was quite clearly a dangerous pre planned tackle Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,569 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 7 minutes ago, five stars said: After Brown's appeal being successful, are we now to assume that late, aggressive, dangerous tackles from behind are now deemed to only warrant a yellow card? I'm old enough to remember when tackles like that were commonplace, and a yellow was the usual consequence of such a tackle, but how long ago was it that it became a red card offence, over a decadeĀ ago? So have the rules been changed back? Will tackles like Brown's, if they happen up and down the country tomorrow be deemed to be only worthy of a yellow card? In a court of law when a judgement is passed this is often used as a reference for future cases, it affects and shapes how the law is judged. And this is similar, as the independent panel have set a precedent, that such tackles only warrant a yellow. Well i looking forward to an exciting weekend of football, with plenty of potential leg breaking meaty challenges flying in, I'm just glad I'm not a referee, as they have been totally undermined by the panel's decision. More chance of a leg break or cruciate damage with a tackleĀ front or side on. It's how leg's are structured that make this so. NowĀ what about the Halliday challenge? We know what the SFA are and won't be losing sleep about it, because the point is we were/are shiteĀ and it madeĀ no difference to the result and will make no difference to the next result against them,Ā because we are quite simply, shite, unless you are validating that Brown is the man. We appear to be adopting the victim mentality and that's more embarassing than Brown getting off with it.Ā We should be about us and not about them. Ā Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitecity 3 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Was told last night by a ref that any tackle that is dangerous is an automatic red card, the fact that his reduced charge mentions dangerous only supports the original red card I was told. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EatDolphins 5,360 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Well I'dĀ be interested to see if more teams appeal under the same circumstances. Time will tell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copland bear 7,966 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 11 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said: More chance of a leg break or cruciate damage with a tackleĀ front or side on. It's how leg's are structured that make this so. NowĀ what about the Halliday challenge? We know what the SFA are and won't be losing sleep about it, because the point is we were/are shiteĀ and it madeĀ no difference to the result and will make no difference to the next result against them,Ā because we are quite simply, shite, unless you are validating that Brown is the man. We appear to be adopting the victim mentality and that's more embarassing than Brown getting off with it.Ā We should be about us and not about them. Ā What has Halliday got to do with Scott browns red card against RossĀ County ? Why mention it ? Ā What about the tackle 5 years ago by someone else? Ā These have nothing to do what so ever with this and only a Celtic player would have got away with this. I have seen many a player sent of for less than what Brown did and the decision is disgracefulĀ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
five stars 1,767 Posted April 28, 2017 Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 15 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said: More chance of a leg break or cruciate damage with a tackleĀ front or side on. It's how leg's are structured that make this so. NowĀ what about the Halliday challenge? We know what the SFA are and won't be losing sleep about it, because the point is we were/are shiteĀ and it madeĀ no difference to the result and will make no difference to the next result against them,Ā because we are quite simply, shite, unless you are validating that Brown is the man. We appear to be adopting the victim mentality and that's more embarassing than Brown getting off with it.Ā We should be about us and not about them. Ā You don't seem of grasped my main point, which is that the panel, by deeming Browns tackle to be worthy only of a yellow, have set a precedent that similar tackles are also only worthy of a yellow.Ā The argument put forward by many tims that because Halliday only got a yellow then Brown should too, is pathetic and easily dismantled by anyone with basic intelligence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imodium 423 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 It's only because the ref got the penalty wrong. It was a red all day. id much rather he plays on Saturday than starting with Rogic, he bullies the midfield and is dangerous when he gets a chance at goal. Stick Holt tight on Brown and nip at him the entire game. He can't handle that and he either loses the rag or misplacesĀ passes. Holt done well in the last league game against them he's got something about him ?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,569 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 19 minutes ago, Copland bear said: What has Halliday got to do with Scott browns red card against RossĀ County ? Why mention it ? Ā What about the tackle 5 years ago by someone else? Ā These have nothing to do what so ever with this and only a Celtic player would have got away with this. I have seen many a player sent of for less than what Brown did and the decision is disgracefulĀ The decision not to send Haliday off was disgraceful. If nothing else, we need consistency, otherwise it's just hypocrisy and victimhood. I don't really give a fuck if Brown is ever sentĀ off or not,Ā as we are not about them. Brown is their business, unless you want to validate him,Ā makingĀ him the man. We have than enough troubles to seek within our own house, far less moaning about the SFA, who we know what they are, but have no control over.Ā Better we indeed manage better what we do have control of and that's ourselves, but hell will freeze over first before that ever happens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietspam 733 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Apparently the rules state that Reckless and Dangerous are yellow cards. Red cards are for serious foul play.Ā Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,569 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 16 minutes ago, five stars said: You don't seem of grasped my main point, which is that the panel, by deeming Browns tackle to be worthy only of a yellow, have set a precedent that similar tackles are also only worthy of a yellow.Ā The argument put forward by many tims that because Halliday only got a yellow then Brown should too, is pathetic and easily dismantled by anyone with basic intelligence. I do, but the panel will make continue to to make decisions that are inconsistent. That's just the way of it. We know what they are like, so unless we do something about it and we won't, little point in is stating the obvious. You argue that the tims used the Halliday premise and I say why not? I would expect us to do same in defence of our player. Would there be such a fuss if Brown's next game was not against us? Fucking too right there wouldn't, so not only do we engage in hypocrisy, we also endorse Brown as the man and sad to say, against this current squad he is and that is not scum fc's problem, it's well and truly ours! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danger ranger 922 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 21 minutes ago, Copland bear said: What has Halliday got to do with Scott browns red card against RossĀ County ? Why mention it ? Ā What about the tackle 5 years ago by someone else? Ā These have nothing to do what so ever with this and only a Celtic player would have got away with this. I have seen many a player sent of for less than what Brown did and the decision is disgracefulĀ It's unbelievable that the red card was overturned and shows the utter contempt the SFA hold for players to be protected from tackles like Browns and why has Ross county not issued a statement of disgust, if the teams involved can't be bothered then they will get away with it all day long. As for Brown playing in the two old firm games, it was our failings and not Brown playing that caused the defeat and could be the same this weekend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Enclosure Row N 2,902 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 As I understand it; a) Brown was given a straight red by the ref for violent or wreckless conduct b) Mhanks appealed c) SFA were the prosecution at the hearing, mhanks were the defence d) Independent panel were judge and jury, and it was they who reduced it to a yellow, not the SFA So......... Who are the independent panel? Ā Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,569 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, East Enclosure Row N said: As I understand it; a) Brown was given a straight red by the ref for violent or wreckless conduct b) Mhanks appealed c) SFA were the prosecution at the hearing, mhanks were the defence d) Independent panel were judge and jury, and it was they who reduced it to a yellow, not the SFA So......... Who are the independent panel? Ā King, mini and Whitney. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
centenarystand 2,229 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 The day after the game. "Liam Boyce last night compared the red-card challenge on him byĀ Scott BrownĀ to being hit by a bus. TheĀ Ross CountyĀ spot-kick hero insists theĀ CelticĀ skipperās rage boiled over through a sense of injustice seconds before the tackle which earned him a straight red card. Boyce revealed he felt the full force of aggrieved Brownās challenge, which left him with a painful swollen leg as tempers flared in injury time. āOnce I flicked it, I just felt like I had been hit by a bus. I looked down and my sock was ripped and my leg is really swollen now. Iāve got a couple of weeks now to deal with it and get myself right for the next game." Ā Scottish football is corrupt no denying it. Why do people, whether players, fans or management Ā feel a sense of achievement in winning Ā tainted trophies? Ā Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the sliver fox 1,741 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 The Lego munchers appeal was successful because the player and the offending tackle are in fact separate entities, so the red card should not have been issued in the first place! IĀ thought everyone knew this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
five stars 1,767 Posted April 28, 2017 Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 31 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said: I do, but the panel will make continue to to make decisions that are inconsistent. That's just the way of it. We know what they are like, so unless we do something about it and we won't, little point in is stating the obvious. You argue that the tims used the Halliday premise and I say why not? I would expect us to do same in defence of our player. Would there be such a fuss if Brown's next game was not against us? Fucking too right there wouldn't, so not only do we engage in hypocrisy, we also endorse Brown as the man and sad to say, against this current squad he is and that is not scum fc's problem, it's well and truly ours! Because it's an argument that makes little sense, they have to judge each case on its ownĀ individual merits according to the rules of the game. Either it's a tackle worthy of a red or its not. Right or wrong decision made by other referees in different games have no relevance whatsever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyscott1963 19,134 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Welcome to the bheggars running of Scottish football,where the victim of the episodeĀ was the person missing games and not the perpetrator. Best get used to shite like this on a regular basis since the bheggars are running the whole show to suit themselves and giving the rest a big GIRFUY. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears r us 31,337 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I think the rule was changed for them at the same time as the trip to Japan, oh wait.....Ā Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo1872 4,065 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I'll ask Dougie Smith if he would have gave it a yellow or red ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellshill_Bear 1,105 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 2 hours ago, five stars said: After Brown's appeal being successful, are we now to assume that late, aggressive, dangerous tackles from behind are now deemed to only warrant a yellow card? I'm old enough to remember when tackles like that were commonplace, and a yellow was the usual consequence of such a tackle, but how long ago was it that it became a red card offence, over a decadeĀ ago? So have the rules been changed back? Will tackles like Brown's, if they happen up and down the country tomorrow be deemed to be only worthy of a yellow card? In a court of law when a judgement is passed this is often used as a reference for future cases, it affects and shapes how the law is applied. And this is similar, as the independent panel have set a precedent, that such tackles only warrant a yellow. Well I'm looking forward to an exciting weekend of football, with plenty of potential leg breaking meaty challenges flying in, I'm just glad I'm not a referee, as they have been totally undermined by the panel's decision. It was the intent that made it a red for me. Halliday intent was the ball. Brown's intent was revenge and a nasty tackle Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 34,085 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 There's going to be a lot MOREĀ disappointment,Ā grief,Ā heartache and tears before the fans realise that the rules have changed, they fuckers are running the show end of ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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