Harveydp 100 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 On Thursday morning I was in conversation with a cop who had the job of sitting in Glasgow Sherriff Court on that particular day. The conversation got onto his opinion of locking folk up for singing naughty songs; his personal opinion was that it is a disgrace that he personallly "gives a large leeway before cuffing anyone for that" particular violation. What he also said is that there is massive pressure from high up the cop chain to get rid of it, the "trickle down effect" of this being that unless you're in a coppers face shouting FTP etc, you're no longer likely to get the jail as the cops have been in a round about way told to stop arresting folk for breaches of the (OB and TC 2012). Does this seem accurate for anyone else? The superb Rangers fans on Friday brought out every song in the book with the add ons and there's been no reports in the papers let alone reports of any arrests so maybe the guy is right and it's been scaled back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sRcFoCt 7,732 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 let's be clear if the bill was still just aimed at Rangers fan's the arrests would be sky high but because it affects the taigs now it's a burden on football fans. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEE 4,880 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Yes we can now sing what we want with impunity, it's well known the police are 99% masons and only kept the charade going for a few years as they were forced to. The battle is over the f****** have lost. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 54,035 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 A ridiculous piece of legislation brought in to target us, but which is now on it's way out as mistakes in its writing also allowed it to be used against bheasts. That is not paranoia, this has been established. Cops may be many things but eager for paperwork and happy to be made to look foolish in the box in court wont be two of them. I'm pretty sure most also finish shift as soon as they get away from games, so there's little desire to get held on duty I'd imagine. So yeah maybe guidance has been given but looking out for their own interests is likelier to be just as central to decision making whether to huckle someone if not more important. Anyway, there's plenty motorists out there to be targeted instead.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harveydp 100 Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, sRcFoCt said: let's be clear if the bill was still just aimed at Rangers fan's the arrests would be sky high but because it affects the taigs now it's a burden on football fans. That is a fair point to be honest. The very fact that the celtic fans sing about glorifying the IRA and such events like the Easter Rising etc, Palestine, every other LEFT wing disgrace, then Glasgow City Council ALSO celebrate these groups and events. It really is a disgrace. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harveydp 100 Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, BEE said: Yes we can now sing what we want with impunity, it's well known the police are 99% masons and only kept the charade going for a few years as they were forced to. The battle is over the f****** have lost. Those funny handshakers eh. Goood few solicitors are too ;) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: A ridiculous piece of legislation brought in to target us, but which is now on it's way out as mistakes in its writing also allowed it to be used against bheasts. That is not paranoia, this has been established. Cops may be many things but eager for paperwork and happy to be made to look foolish in the box in court wont be two of them. I'm pretty sure most also finish shift as soon as they get away from games, so there's little desire to get held on duty I'd imagine. So yeah maybe guidance has been given but looking out for their own interests is likelier to be just as central to decision making whether to huckle someone if not more important. Anyway, there's plenty motorists out there to be targeted instead.... And don't forget dogshitting ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I will never understand anyone that doesn't think this Country is corrupt That includes those double standard gestapo bastards Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 54,035 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, eejay the dj said: And don't forget dogshitting ? ?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
With Heart and Hand 8,949 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 30 minutes ago, Harveydp said: his personal opinion was that it is a disgrace that he personallly "gives a large leeway before cuffing anyone for that" particular violation Aye so he does this is the shite coppers come out with when they're chatting to folk but it's utter bollocks. They're all power abusing scumbags the lot of them Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
With Heart and Hand 8,949 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 The legislation is a joke aimed at giving polis the power to lift folk for whatever the fuck they please. Guaranteed if it's a football fans word against a polis in court then they are getting done. You could literally walk up to a copper at Ibrox and point out a random guy and say "he said ftp" and the guy will get lifted. It's like Nazi Germany under this law at football games with the fucking polis and the G4S Gestapo all on their high horses Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harveydp 100 Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, With Heart and Hand said: Aye so he does this is the shite coppers come out with when they're chatting to folk but it's utter bollocks. They're all power abusing scumbags the lot of them Aye.. Can't disagree with that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,289 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Would be interesting to see arrest figures for this offence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim beam 2,188 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 As said above this law was championed at the very beginning because the tims thought it would target us and no other,the reason I believe this is that the tims genuinely thought that their song books and ad ons is all political and therefore ok whilst ours was sectarian. The opposition too this bill only came when they started getting the jail and it dawned on them that the law of this land applies to everyone,as a side thought if this bill only affected us it would be here too stay no matter the opposition from us whereas they can get it repealed due to the religious factor that is prevalent in the hierarchy of Scottish government and councils. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannerall 25,935 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 That law could basically be summarised as: Don't say bad things about people who instigate and condone the killing of innocent adult and children in our country. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennyBlueNose 652 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Harveydp said: On Thursday morning I was in conversation with a cop who had the job of sitting in Glasgow Sherriff Court on that particular day. The conversation got onto his opinion of locking folk up for singing naughty songs; his personal opinion was that it is a disgrace that he personallly "gives a large leeway before cuffing anyone for that" particular violation. What he also said is that there is massive pressure from high up the cop chain to get rid of it, the "trickle down effect" of this being that unless you're in a coppers face shouting FTP etc, you're no longer likely to get the jail as the cops have been in a round about way told to stop arresting folk for breaches of the (OB and TC 2012). Does this seem accurate for anyone else? The superb Rangers fans on Friday brought out every song in the book with the add ons and there's been no reports in the papers let alone reports of any arrests so maybe the guy is right and it's been scaled back. That's a nice wee story, sounds like shite to me. Sounds like you just made that up to imply Rangers fans were singing songs that broke the law you put as the thread title. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harveydp 100 Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 38 minutes ago, DennyBlueNose said: That's a nice wee story, sounds like shite to me. Sounds like you just made that up to imply Rangers fans were singing songs that broke the law you put as the thread title. Oh. Ok. Frankly sweetheart I couldn't give a fuck what you think you cock sucking cunt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harveydp 100 Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 hour ago, tannerall said: That law could basically be summarised as: Don't say bad things about people who instigate and condone the killing of innocent adult and children in our country. Exactly.. The old saying sticks n stones fucked out the window in one big SNP swoop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NornIronBear 450 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Legislation is a typical politicians cop out from dealing with social issues created by themselves and churches. One church in particular. The bias is clear, fenian is unlawful but H*** isn't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,398 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 hour ago, jim beam said: As said above this law was championed at the very beginning because the tims thought it would target us and no other,the reason I believe this is that the tims genuinely thought that their song books and ad ons is all political and therefore ok whilst ours was sectarian. The opposition too this bill only came when they started getting the jail and it dawned on them that the law of this land applies to everyone,as a side thought if this bill only affected us it would be here too stay no matter the opposition from us whereas they can get it repealed due to the religious factor that is prevalent in the hierarchy of Scottish government and councils. This is it in a nutshell yet lots of Bears want it binned which I don't get as it will be re-written to target us and not them Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogtanian 252 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 The law should be scrapped absolute joke normal folk has got jail time over it. Imo anyone who gets offended by a song is a moron. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin 13,656 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Harveydp said: Oh. Ok. Frankly sweetheart I couldn't give a fuck what you think you cock sucking cunt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McEwan's Lager 30,782 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Put aside the fact the legislation is ridiculous and should never have been enacted, how is it that the cops can just decide to stop carrying out the law of the land if the OP is correct. Scotland is a remarkably strange jurisdiction. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alves70 393 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 If they were to scrap it you can bet we'll see a rewritten bill brought in excluding political singing (AKA terrorist chants) soon after. As others have said this was always about targeting Rangers fans, the minute one of them got lifted it suddenly became a bad idea to the people who were pushing for it in the first place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harveydp 100 Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 15 minutes ago, McEwan's Lager said: Put aside the fact the legislation is ridiculous and should never have been enacted, how is it that the cops can just decide to stop carrying out the law of the land if the OP is correct. Scotland is a remarkably strange jurisdiction. It's not so much stopping carrying out the law of the land, it is the not aggressively pursuing persons who may have been in violation of that law. It happens all the time, a bit like with burglars, report an active burglary in progress and it is likely the cops will not be there for at least 45 mins minimum. While it is a law, some laws get enforced more thoroughly than others. This one has, if the officer in question is being factual, bumped down the list big time. If true then it can only be a good thing. The country has turned into a Kingdom of offended grasses who would sooner grass on a guy for WORDS than ignore the fucker. There's numerous legislation that covers these "offences" it is only a matter of time before the ABFA either gets repealed or ignored to the point of being an irrelevancy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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