Bears r us 30,826 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Lord Lockin said: Afraid it's the ones that matter who must think it was over the top hence the suspension - pending n investigation before you jump down my throat Na it's fine mate I think we are all in our different ways just had enough and Sunday from start to finish has pushed a few of us over the edge with frustration. I have been hoping for a while that we have hit rock bottom and the only way is up, so let's hope that is true this time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMB 14,167 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 35 minutes ago, Lord Lockin said: You've lost me here - what has McFadden and McCulloch been saying got anything to do with leaks to the press McCulloch suggested their has been leaks to the press - "There's been fights but it's never come out in the press. That's the worrying thing for me, how it's come out so soon after an embarrassing defeat". Your response to that to that was "Who gives a fuck what McFadden and McCulloch say". Did you actually read the article or are you only interested in attacking Lee McCulloch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoGeo7 10,560 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bears r us said: Na it's fine mate I think we are all in our different ways just had enough and Sunday from start to finish has pushed a few of us over the edge with frustration. I have been hoping for a while that we have hit rock bottom and the only way is up, so let's hope that is true this time. We are second at the moment so it could get a lot worse by the end of the season which is why I can’t understand the board keeping Murty in If he has no respect from the players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears r us 30,826 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 minute ago, NeoGeo7 said: We are second at the moment so it could get a lot worse by the end of the season which is why I can’t understand the board keeping Murty in If he has no respect from the players. Indeed you are correct we can certainly be worse especially with a dead duck manager left in place. I think I am using a little self preservation tonight after a day of thinking when I woke up that Murty would be gone to find out he will probably be here until the end of the season and two players now suspended and another clusterfuck in full swing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoGeo7 10,560 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bears r us said: Indeed you are correct we can certainly be worse especially with a dead duck manager left in place. I think I am using a little self preservation tonight after a day of thinking when I woke up that Murty would be gone to find out he will probably be here until the end of the season and two players now suspended and another clusterfuck in full swing. Yup, it’s been disappointing to put it mildly that the board lack the balls to just sack, demote or put him on gardening leave. A home loss to hearts at the weekend I see no way they could avoid giving him his marching orders. I also want the board to say they made a mistake with this appointment and with Pedro and that the whole season has been undermined by these decisions. Who the hell am I kidding, more chance of me winning the Euros on Friday and buying the club outright! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMB 14,167 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 25 minutes ago, Bears r us said: I wonder where all these bloggers who are supposed to have inside info about what is happening at board level get their leaks from ? Pedro stated that his decision to release Hill and Senderos had been leaked and that might be at boardroom level. However, Pedro also stated that his starting line-ups were being leaked the night before and that can only come from the players. At one point even a St.Johstone player, who was a former Rangers youth, stated that Pedro needed to plug the leaks in his dressing raising suspicion that their was a double agent in the Ibrox dressing room. https://www.BOYCOTT THIS LINK/sport/football/football-news/pedro-caixinha-accuses-Rangers-mole-11326545 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears r us 30,826 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, NeoGeo7 said: Yup, it’s been disappointing to put it mildly that the board lack the balls to just sack, demote or put him on gardening leave. A home loss to hearts at the weekend I see no way they could avoid giving him his marching orders. I also want the board to say they made a mistake with this appointment and with Pedro and that the whole season has been undermined by these decisions. Who the hell am I kidding, more chance of me winning the Euros on Friday and buying the club outright! It is all very frustrating and I have no idea how the team will do on Sunday, but as you say if we lose that one then surely they will have to act. I think more of us need to start putting on the Euros, it is the only way we are going to get any real money invested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears r us 30,826 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, TMB said: Pedro stated that his decision to release Hill and Senderos had been leaked and that might be at boardroom level. However, Pedro also stated that his starting line-ups were being leaked the night before and that can only come from the players. At one point even a St.Johstone player, who was a former Rangers youth, stated that Pedro needed to plug the leaks in his dressing raising suspicion that their was a double agent in the Ibrox dressing room. https://www.BOYCOTT THIS LINK/sport/football/football-news/pedro-caixinha-accuses-Rangers-mole-11326545 Yes I remember that about the team to play St.Johnstone. I assume Pedro had changed his mind about telling the press his team for the next game by then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 65,097 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Thought it was common knowledge O'Halloran told St Johnstone the team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,678 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 It 100% would not surprise me if the leak wasn’t a player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,567 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Reformation Bear said: Sounds to me like those directly involved in this are all done at Rangers and its just now about what process takes place to ease them to the exits. Miller and Wallace for having said and / or acted in a way that forces the Club to announce an investigation, and serious enough for the Club to feel it is correct to suspend them. Whatever the views about the players it would seem there is no smoke without fire. Whatever their views, their actions, their ways of working at the margins of Club authority and so on, they obviously stand accused of having said or done things that are not considered by the Directors to be acceptable or to be in the Club's interests and of sufficient seriousness to warrant their being suspended. It seems to me well nigh impossible for them to recover from this and remain at Rangers. Impossible. The investigation is probably, imo, just about providing some sort of breathing space to put some time between the events giving rise to their suspension and the time they actually leave to pursue their careers elsewhere. But, it seems to me, they are as good as gone. Murty for demonstrating, a lot like Warburton, that he is singularly unable to generate enough respect among the players to properly command and lead a squad of professional football players and to keep them under proper command authority and control. If he cannot lead and command effectively then he is done as a Rangers manager. For the sake of giving an illusion of authority to be respected the first action is against the players (suspension followed by investigation) but I am in no doubt whatsoever that there is no way a Rangers Board could continue with Murty at the helm beyond this season if he cannot properly and effectively lead and control his players. A manager who has lost effective command and control is not a manager, he is a manager in name only but not in reality. He is surely bound to be removed by the board in reasonably short order at the end of the season with the reasons for removal sheltering under the convenient banner that he was only appointed to the end of the season anyway. So Murty, it seems to me, will have to depart but he will depart more under the banner of just seeing the job for this season out and claiming it was always only about that anyway with the more fundamental reasons for ditching him remaining firmly behind closed doors- and investigation report - at Ibrox. All 3 will go in fairly short order (I hope). Maybe the 'investigation' will produce reasons for others to be joining them in heading out of the exits at Ibrox. To restore order after repeated management and player shambles it is essential that the Board appoint a properly experienced, credible and respected football manager. One who knows how to lead players at a big club. King, his DOF and his Board are presiding over a continuing clusterfuck of football management and performance. Its up to them once again to fix it. Their track record is repeated failure. How many more times can they fail and continue to get away with it I wonder. These events, on top of the way the season has already gone produce a clear need for proper and effective leadership at Board level and at football manager level. Can this board now act decisively to remedy things and put the football side on track to deliver a far better season next season? It sure is going to be a lively end to the season and not for reasons of games of football to be played and final league positions to be determined. Its gotten much bigger than that now. It certainly has. The latest bust up is just symptomatic of the systemic problems that run through the club from top to bottom, including the of lack of leadership and the dysfunction of the organisation as a whole. Murty is a poor manager, but if he said no as reported and the two players disregarded this decision and went ahead regardless, then they over stepped the mark and in the wrong. It matters not he is a shit manager or there was a shit performance. In the bigger scheme of things, the incident is largely insignificant, albeit it has caused a stooshie amongst the snowflakes. The two players are yesterdays men and the manager will be be gone at the end of the season, latest. The bigger issues are the lack of leadership and investment. The appointment of a new manager and what we do to improve that squad, because the are simply substandard for the task they are being asked to do. I don't know how it will all end, but we have reached a point of critical mass and something has got to give for the better or worse, so let's hope it's the former. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 65,097 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 In the Sun tomorrow Robertson refused to tell them what they were being suspended for Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, TMB said: Pedro stated that his decision to release Hill and Senderos had been leaked and that might be at boardroom level. However, Pedro also stated that his starting line-ups were being leaked the night before and that can only come from the players. At one point even a St.Johstone player, who was a former Rangers youth, stated that Pedro needed to plug the leaks in his dressing raising suspicion that their was a double agent in the Ibrox dressing room. https://www.BOYCOTT THIS LINK/sport/football/football-news/pedro-caixinha-accuses-Rangers-mole-11326545 That was MOH. 99% certain on that one. He's not the only one though. But I'd also say it's common at every club up and down the country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Band of Brothers 10,303 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Goosetav said: In the Sun tomorrow Robertson refused to tell them what they were being suspended for Hi your suspended for nothing ??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 65,097 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Just now, Band of Brothers said: Hi your suspended for nothing ??? Apparently he told them they'll find out by a letter from the club Another shitebag without a set of balls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoGeo7 10,560 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Goosetav said: In the Sun tomorrow Robertson refused to tell them what they were being suspended for That cunt needs sacked Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 65,097 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Just now, NeoGeo7 said: That cunt needs sacked He needs a beating Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Goosetav said: Apparently he told them they'll find out by a letter from the club Another shitebag without a set of balls Tbf, that's how every suspension I've ever seen in my life happens (I've been suspended a few times and also suspended a couple of people), Go in, told you're suspended and either given it in writing there or told you'll receive it shortly and often then escorted from the premises. A non-story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
docspiderman 1,234 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, TMB said: Pedro stated that his decision to release Hill and Senderos had been leaked and that might be at boardroom level. However, Pedro also stated that his starting line-ups were being leaked the night before and that can only come from the players. At one point even a St.Johstone player, who was a former Rangers youth, stated that Pedro needed to plug the leaks in his dressing raising suspicion that their was a double agent in the Ibrox dressing room. https://www.BOYCOTT THIS LINK/sport/football/football-news/pedro-caixinha-accuses-Rangers-mole-11326545 Team news was getting leaked when Walter was manager no players and not many club personnel remaining from then: a couple in the boardroom and on support staff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Just now, docspiderman said: Team news was getting leaked when Walter was manager no players and not many club personnel remaining from then: a couple in the boardroom and on support staff. Happens everywhere and has since there was journalists writing about football and will as long as people have an interest in football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,678 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 So two players who have done more for the club than that specky wank who was somehow give a bonus recently were told to fuck off during a two minute meeting? Hopefully the specky wank is bombarded with shit on Sunday, horrible bastard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 65,097 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 minute ago, The Dude said: Tbf, that's how every suspension I've ever seen in my life happens (I've been suspended a few times and also suspended a couple of people), Go in, told you're suspended and either given it in writing there or told you'll receive it shortly and often then escorted from the premises. A non-story. Smacks of them not really knowing what they're suspending them for and need to try and figure out a way to make it stick to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoGeo7 10,560 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskbankloyal 19,446 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Unsurprisingly Jackson has the ‘inside story’ in tomorrows Record. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskbankloyal 19,446 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Goosetav said: Apparently he told them they'll find out by a letter from the club Another shitebag without a set of balls Completely normal in that situation. The employer says nothing when suspending an employee other than that they are being suspended, for how long & what rights they have, i.e still on full pay. Making an accusation, of saying something out of turn is a sure fire way to see yourself lose an employment tribunal. I’d assume both players will have had a representative with them as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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