Statement regarding disciplinary procedure

[LegendofCoop 17,363]

52 minutes ago, Rfc52 said:

Aye and it's you..The great conspiracy of.shys we never got v the taigs in 1992

 

It was 1989 ya muppet.....any troo Ger would know that  

[Sweetheart 8,458]

59 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

The system is both flawed and corrupt.

The statement is weak, but it appears dicussions have been ongoing. 

We've already been fined for opening our mouths in this, so it's a case of exhausting the means that already exist, which is pretty much tantamount to zilch, but we do have to be seen to be playing by their rules until the impass is reached, then the SFA cannot cry foul if and when we resort to other means outwith the governing body.

It appears no one is on our side in this, which makes matters doubly difficult. Now we know the whole thing is rigged to fuck us and us alone, but to anyone independent it may not appear to be that way if all other clubs are happy with the process.

Gerrard will have a big say in how the board deal with this, because for him it's all about the football and getting a result and not about the politics.

This has yet to fully play out, as I seriously think the club are going to war on this, as we all know it is going to happen again and soon. The sheep cup game at the latest, which will all be rather tasty on the park. 

Before we can go to CAS, we need to exhaust all avenues with our own governing body. We cannot go to CAS to say the process is shit, because that should and can be sorted domestically.  We can only be going there alleging the process is bias against us, which is tantamount to cheating and corruption. Play the game and not be confrontational, with the soft warning shots across the bows, then bring out the sledgehammer, but we better have all our fucking ducks in a row, or we are toast.

 

Good Post

Totally Agree with what you have stated. I expect Rangers will be treading carefully when talking about this in public, so as not to be blamed for bringing the game into disrepute, as we've already been fined. 

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,766]

8 minutes ago, Sweetheart said:

Good Post

Totally Agree with what you have stated. I expect Rangers will be treading carefully when talking about this in public, so as not to be blamed for bringing the game into disrepute, as we've already been fined. 

We've already said were unhappy. Explaining why, seeking clarification, highlighting areas of non understanding isn't bringing any more disrepute than it is already.

But it might, or might have, brought more publicity to our point of view and reasoning.

Lost opportunity. And we're still as likely to be fined for what we've already stated as we would for expanding on the why.

[Sweetheart 8,458]

1 minute ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

We've already said were unhappy. Explaining why, seeking clarification, highlighting areas of non understanding isn't bringing any more disrepute than it is already.

But it might, or might have, brought more publicity to our point of view and reasoning.

Lost opportunity. And we're still as likely to be fined for what we've already stated as we would for expanding on the why.

Good point but I think the club are treading carefully with public statements as the platform to complain is the SFA summit. Could you answer a question for me, could the club take these decisions to The International Football Association?

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,766]

49 minutes ago, Sweetheart said:

Good point but I think the club are treading carefully with public statements as the platform to complain is the SFA summit. Could you answer a question for me, could the club take these decisions to The International Football Association?

The platform to complain about refereeing decisions was the sfa summit. Expressing confusion, expressing concern, seeking clarity over various aspects of the disciplinary process including CO role, how incidents come to her attention, parity for all clubs, rules related to yellow cards being retrospectively challenged, rules 're refs seeing fully incidents subsequently retrospectively challenged, isn't disrepute.

We've not had a club  ambassador backed by manager calling for refs from outwith Scotland FFS. We're not close to disrepute if we ask rather than allege.

Re your question, not a clue sorry.

[Sweetheart 8,458]

1 hour ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

The platform to complain about refereeing decisions was the sfa summit. Expressing confusion, expressing concern, seeking clarity over various aspects of the disciplinary process including CO role, how incidents come to her attention, parity for all clubs, rules related to yellow cards being retrospectively challenged, rules 're refs seeing fully incidents subsequently retrospectively challenged, isn't disrepute.

We've not had a club  ambassador backed by manager calling for refs from outwith Scotland FFS. We're not close to disrepute if we ask rather than allege.

Re your question, not a clue sorry.

I agree but atm we are getting punished for nothing as those who do the punishing are not following the rules, which is why I think the club will tread carefully so as not to be accused of bringing the game into disrepute. I can't help but think the game is rigged to keep us down and given half a chance I think Lawwell would campaign to see us booted out of the league again. 

Re question Thanks anyway

[dummiesoot 16,008]

Another problem with the procedure is that it relies on the referee having a second look and, clearly if you are an arrogant cunt like willie collum don't admit to making a mistake, thus ending the process. 

The cunt should be demoted for such incompetence

[RFC55 109,131]

17 minutes ago, dummiesoot said:

Another problem with the procedure is that it relies on the referee having a second look and, clearly if you are an arrogant cunt like willie collum don't admit to making a mistake, thus ending the process. 

The cunt should be demoted for such incompetence

We need to get out our heads it's only us though.

The rule makers and the officials here are awful. This season it's been mistake after mistake. Imo the st mirren players fore arm smash along with simunovic and brown last week were worse than the boy from killies tackle. 

But there are a fair few cards that should have been rescinded and then a fair few that should have been awarded that weren't. It's been a disastrous season for the SFA/officials 

The boy from killie should still have been off however there are worse incidents over the last few weeks not involving any game we've been in and fuck all has happened regarding these.

[WILLIAM BEAR 154]

12 minutes ago, Rfc52 said:

We need to get out our heads it's only us though.

The rule makers and the officials here are awful. This season it's been mistake after mistake. Imo the st mirren players fore arm smash along with simunovic and brown last week were worse than the boy from killies tackle. 

But there are a fair few cards that should have been rescinded and then a fair few that should have been awarded that weren't. It's been a disastrous season for the SFA/officials 

The boy from killie should still have been off however there are worse incidents over the last few weeks not involving any game we've been in and fuck all has happened regarding these.

This

[eejay the dj 31,964]

19 minutes ago, Rfc52 said:

We need to get out our heads it's only us though.

The rule makers and the officials here are awful. This season it's been mistake after mistake. Imo the st mirren players fore arm smash along with simunovic and brown last week were worse than the boy from killies tackle. 

But there are a fair few cards that should have been rescinded and then a fair few that should have been awarded that weren't. It's been a disastrous season for the SFA/officials 

The boy from killie should still have been off however there are worse incidents over the last few weeks not involving any game we've been in and fuck all has happened regarding these.

Who gives a fuck about the others 

It's Rangers and only Rangers that should matter to our board 

Since 1986 only 2 football clubs in Scotland have won the league title .It stands to reason that more decisions will be going against us if we are the only serious threat to the scum .

All that apologetic shite will see us constantly trampled on from the beaks 

We should be listing all the clear double standards that are being used in other games and other teams ..To fuck with trying be mr nice guy all the time ..

We have won no major trophies since 2011 

Even SG will find it impossible to win a league or a cup when things are so clearly designed to stop us 

 

[gogzy 31,195]

3 minutes ago, eejay the dj said:

Who gives a fuck about the others 

 It's Rangers and only Rangers that should matter to our board 

Since 1986 only 2 football clubs in Scotland have won the league title .It stands to reason that more decisions will be going against us if we are the only serious threat to the scum .

All that apologetic shite will see us constantly trampled on from the beaks 

We should be listing all the clear double standards that are being used in other games and other teams ..To fuck with trying be mr nice guy all the time ..

We have won no major trophies since 2011 

Even SG will find it impossible to win a league or a cup when things are so clearly designed to stop us 

 

Anyone who cares about there being a level playing field, and parity across the board should care about the others.

[eejay the dj 31,964]

2 minutes ago, gogzy said:

Anyone who cares about there being a level playing field, and parity across the board should care about the others.

😂I'm sure all the other clubs care about the decisions that go against us every other week 

The point stands .Rangers should be going on the attack constantly until there is wholesale change 

A similar attack when the scum got the Comp officer introduced wouldn't be a bad thing 

 

[RFC55 109,131]

14 minutes ago, eejay the dj said:

Who gives a fuck about the others 

It's Rangers and only Rangers that should matter to our board 

Since 1986 only 2 football clubs in Scotland have won the league title .It stands to reason that more decisions will be going against us if we are the only serious threat to the scum .

All that apologetic shite will see us constantly trampled on from the beaks 

We should be listing all the clear double standards that are being used in other games and other teams ..To fuck with trying be mr nice guy all the time ..

We have won no major trophies since 2011 

Even SG will find it impossible to win a league or a cup when things are so clearly designed to stop us 

 

 

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,766]

1 hour ago, Rfc52 said:

We need to get out our heads it's only us though.

The rule makers and the officials here are awful. This season it's been mistake after mistake. Imo the st mirren players fore arm smash along with simunovic and brown last week were worse than the boy from killies tackle. 

But there are a fair few cards that should have been rescinded and then a fair few that should have been awarded that weren't. It's been a disastrous season for the SFA/officials 

The boy from killie should still have been off however there are worse incidents over the last few weeks not involving any game we've been in and fuck all has happened regarding these.

Is amyone saying its only us?  Every team, including the fucking scum, have seen refereeing decisions go against them. There is incompetence out there that affects even them. Several incidents like you mention above have worked against others too.  But it's clear that the system, it's application, and the reality are working against us more than any other.

Our games are televised more than others, excluding the scum. I watch many of theirs, and I see the difference in what cards are issued for. Or not. Them having  around half our yellows doesn't surprise me.  We know the micro analysis by media and press of our incidents clearly outweighs those commited by the scum, and always with the negative Rangers slant. That leads to disparity and many more of our incidents apparently in the CO in tray being acted upon by her. The CO charge stats appear to reinforce this.

Yes managers from other clubs have been charged individually for what they've said. But only our club had been done. More than our club have issued statements, clearly of disrepute content, without action.

So yeah let's hope it improves for the common good, but we need to fight our own corner. I can't think of one manager or club outside our own that has fought ours this season at any time. They'd actually probably despise us more for saying and trying to take the lead on doing it for them too.

So yeah there's individual incidents of injustice all round. But we need to fight our case, no other club comes close to getting fucked over as much as we are.

 

 

[RFC55 109,131]

2 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Is amyone saying its only us?  Every team, including the fucking scum, have seen refereeing decisions go against them. There is incompetence out there that affects even them. Several incidents like you mention above have worked against others too.  But it's clear that the system, it's application, and the reality are working against us more than any other.

Our games are televised more than others, excluding the scum. I watch many of theirs, and I see the difference in what cards are issued for. Or not. Them having  around half our yellows doesn't surprise me.  We know the micro analysis by media and press of our incidents clearly outweighs those commited by the scum, and always with the negative Rangers slant. That leads to disparity and many more of our incidents apparently in the CO in tray being acted upon by her. The CO charge stats appear to reinforce this.

Yes managers from other clubs have been charged individually for what they've said. But only our club had been done. More than our club have issued statements, clearly of disrepute content, without action.

So yeah let's hope it improves for the common good, but we need to fight our own corner. I can't think of one manager or club outside our own that has fought ours this season at any time. They'd actually probably despise us more for saying and trying to take the lead on doing it for them too.

So yeah there's individual incidents of injustice all round. But we need to fight our case, no other club comes close to getting fucked over as much as we are.

 

 

Yes people are making out it's only us 

[Courtyard Bear 41,357]

11 hours ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Some reports out there saying Madden has confirmed he didn't have a continuous clear view of the incident.

I'd love to see the footage this still has come from, see confirmation of his denial, and have it cost him his job unless he's been forced down this route under duress and speaks up.

 

Lying bastard, this is the type of statement from a Ref we should be pouncing on. 

[Courtyard Bear 41,357]

1 hour ago, gogzy said:

Anyone who cares about there being a level playing field, and parity across the board should care about the others.

Well I might care about them if they actually cared about their own club, but they are just happy to see us getting shafted and nothing else. 

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,766]

15 minutes ago, Rfc52 said:

Yes people are making out it's only us 

I don't really see that. I see most talking about how it affects us, but I'm not aware of folk saying no one else is ever affected.

 

[Smile 26,610]

1 hour ago, eejay the dj said:

😂I'm sure all the other clubs care about the decisions that go against us every other week 

The point stands .Rangers should be going on the attack constantly until there is wholesale change 

A similar attack when the scum got the Comp officer introduced wouldn't be a bad thing 

 

They should but they won't does not  matter what happens we have seen supporters attacked and they sat back and said nothing.

[RFC55 109,131]

2 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

I don't really see that. I see most talking about how it affects us, but I'm not aware of folk saying no one else is ever affected.

 

I do 

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,766]

8 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said:

Lying bastard, this is the type of statement from a Ref we should be pouncing on. 

It's been reported he's said it, what he's actually said hasn't came to light yet. But it's implications are potentially huge, Rangers need to progress it.

If he hasn't had any issues observing it, hasn't said that he has, then quite simply put our games are being retrospectively refereed because a lawyer isn't happy with an incident highlighted to her.

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,766]

1 minute ago, Rfc52 said:

I do 

I know you do. You've likely got excellent examples.

I don't.

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,563]

2 hours ago, Rfc52 said:

We need to get out our heads it's only us though.

The rule makers and the officials here are awful. This season it's been mistake after mistake. Imo the st mirren players fore arm smash along with simunovic and brown last week were worse than the boy from killies tackle. 

But there are a fair few cards that should have been rescinded and then a fair few that should have been awarded that weren't. It's been a disastrous season for the SFA/officials 

The boy from killie should still have been off however there are worse incidents over the last few weeks not involving any game we've been in and fuck all has happened regarding these.

Aye but others seem to scared to upset their fenian masters, hibs should have been in every media outlet after the tarriers game when their already booked boy got cited

[ger4life_1872 29,579]

4 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

It's been reported he's said it, what he's actually said hasn't came to light yet. But it's implications are potentially huge, Rangers need to progress it.

If he hasn't had any issues observing it, hasn't said that he has, then quite simply put our games are being retrospectively refereed because a lawyer isn't happy with an incident highlighted to her.

Either way he has too go imo , because hes either lied about having a full view of the incident , or hes so incompetent he isn't following the ball as it goes into the box where anything could have happened,  its understandable that refs will miss off the ball incidents etc but this isn't something he shouldn't have seen 

[RFC55 109,131]

3 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

Aye but others seem to scared to upset their fenian masters, hibs should have been in every media outlet after the tarriers game when their already booked boy got cited

Killie and Aberdeen have both lost the plot regarding it