Gio Discussion Thread

[SeparateEntityMyArse 55,497]

47 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

Pretty hard to clear the deck of them all when no one wants them though, we were europa finalists and this summer we had 2 players sought after, hell no one even wantes goldson, 

As i said, about the 4 he resigned, 2 were likely lower wages and helped with euro quota, the other two obviously there were reasons, best i can think is that maybe the idea of a deck clearing was in place so 2 players like davis and goldson remaining to provide some form of stability was the idea, 

But fuck knows, what is evident is that once again when the chips are down and we need men to step up, its the same ones who go hiding, 

Lots of assumptions in that tbh.

Ross Wilson deserves huge criticism for his transfer dealings & budgeting. Players deserve it in the neck too, including those summer signings, with most of my ire at their collective lack of effort, commitment and even interest during the last 2 games.

But some seem to be finding reasons Gio isn't at fault, or minimise his culpability. For me, he's had 2 windows to bring players in and demand others pushed out, had money, spent money and made multiple signings and resignings. This imo now is 100% his team, regardless if he signed them or not.

[The Beast 9,515]

48 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

The endles crosses into one lonely striker isnt a new thing, hark back to malmo at home when we collapsed, or any other game pre gio when we passed sideways a million times to then ask tav or borna to cross a ball into a box where there was two defenders to every one of our players

These players have had one way drilled into them for 3 years, they clearly cannot change, no manager will see a massive difference until these players are gone, unfortunately we signed 2 of them on longer contracts this summer

I think you're part way right and this squad has needed an overhaul for some time with some so-called first-picks sold ideally at a profit and new blood that improves the team brought in. Arguably even before the 55 season. 

However the biggest thing that your comment shows for me is that Gerrard was also a very limited manager. Don't get me wrong he was the right person for us at the time and he brought back standards of professionalism and expectations of quality that we had almost completely lost but when it came down to it and you took the Steven Gerrard factor away he wasn't a great manager.

 

[BlueSuedeSambas 56,540]

Saying that Gio can’t get the players to play a different way because they are so used to playing or being coached a certain way under Gerrard gives off massive “blame anybody but Gio vibes”. It’s not like we are a Barca or an Ajax where there’s a clear playing style that’s been implemented for decades. It was three years.

At the end of the day the players are professionals, who will have played in various systems and set ups before they came to us, and Gio is a coach who’s has had close to a year working with them to implement his own ideas now. If they can’t adapt to a different style, or he’s struggling to implement it then, he’s the problem.

[MacBoyd 6,105]

35 minutes ago, BlueSuedeSambas said:

Saying that Gio can’t get the players to play a different way because they are so used to playing or being coached a certain way under Gerrard gives off massive “blame anybody but Gio vibes”. It’s not like we are a Barca or an Ajax where there’s a clear playing style that’s been implemented for decades. It was three years.

At the end of the day the players are professionals, who will have played in various systems and set ups before they came to us, and Gio is a coach who’s has had close to a year working with them to implement his own ideas now. If they can’t adapt to a different style, or he’s struggling to implement it then, he’s the problem.

You know if dyche came in we would be playing his way in a fortnight. It's a bullshit excuse

 

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47 minutes ago, BlueSuedeSambas said:

Saying that Gio can’t get the players to play a different way because they are so used to playing or being coached a certain way under Gerrard gives off massive “blame anybody but Gio vibes”. It’s not like we are a Barca or an Ajax where there’s a clear playing style that’s been implemented for decades. It was three years.

At the end of the day the players are professionals, who will have played in various systems and set ups before they came to us, and Gio is a coach who’s has had close to a year working with them to implement his own ideas now. If they can’t adapt to a different style, or he’s struggling to implement it then, he’s the problem.

Gio has no say in signings.

Gio is working with Gerrards duds / losers. 

Players can't play any other way.

It's only 2 defeats.

 

Plenty excuses out there alright. For me it's not about whether he's culpable, purely about whether or not he's passed the point of no return.

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,641]

48 minutes ago, BlueSuedeSambas said:

Saying that Gio can’t get the players to play a different way because they are so used to playing or being coached a certain way under Gerrard gives off massive “blame anybody but Gio vibes”. It’s not like we are a Barca or an Ajax where there’s a clear playing style that’s been implemented for decades. It was three years.

At the end of the day the players are professionals, who will have played in various systems and set ups before they came to us, and Gio is a coach who’s has had close to a year working with them to implement his own ideas now. If they can’t adapt to a different style, or he’s struggling to implement it then, he’s the problem.

Well the previous manager couldn't get them playing a different way either, and they were his players

Perhaps these players just aren't good enough, the euro run was a fluke, the title was a lot to do with the tarrier implosion, 

You said it yourself, these players are pros, yet these pros aren't even bothering their arse, if they wont do it for gio who took them to a euro final, whos to say they'll do it for anyone else

The blame seems to be shifted onto the manager pretty quickly when the bulk of this squad have been here 4 years and won two things out of 12, and one of they things came under gio

Maybe, just maybe, the common thing is the players

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,641]

2 hours ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Lots of assumptions in that tbh.

Ross Wilson deserves huge criticism for his transfer dealings & budgeting. Players deserve it in the neck too, including those summer signings, with most of my ire at their collective lack of effort, commitment and even interest during the last 2 games.

But some seem to be finding reasons Gio isn't at fault, or minimise his culpability. For me, he's had 2 windows to bring players in and demand others pushed out, had money, spent money and made multiple signings and resignings. This imo now is 100% his team, regardless if he signed them or not.

He can demand others pushed out all he wants, but if no one wants them what is he, or the club to do, as i said we were euro finalists and we only got bids for two players who, if we are honest, only played consistently well for half of last season, what does that say about the rest

In less than a year we have been to a euro final, won the scottish and qualified for the CL, are we of the belief now that the manager fluked that with these players, if so (and im not against the idea that it is, given my thoughts on the title win now) then what do we expect any other manager to get out of these players

By all means let's bring in another manager, but if you have guys not willing to run or take a shot off the face to get the 3 points, then any new guy will face the same shit, and if gio has lost the dressing room because of morelos incident or something else, then thats an even bigger worry as they could do it to anyone

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,641]

21 minutes ago, MacBoyd said:

You know if dyche came in we would be playing his way in a fortnight. It's a bullshit excuse

 

And after a fortnight gio had us all singing all dancing, infact after 3 months we were convinced we'd win everything in the game, 

Once again the inevitable with these players happened..... 

[BlueSuedeSambas 56,540]

11 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

Well the previous manager couldn't get them playing a different way either, and they were his players

Perhaps these players just aren't good enough, the euro run was a fluke, the title was a lot to do with the tarrier implosion, 

You said it yourself, these players are pros, yet these pros aren't even bothering their arse, if they wont do it for gio who took them to a euro final, whos to say they'll do it for anyone else

The blame seems to be shifted onto the manager pretty quickly when the bulk of this squad have been here 4 years and won two things out of 12, and one of they things came under gio

Maybe, just maybe, the common thing is the players

And maybe they are also being coached badly. It’s not one thing that’s contributing to our poor form and Gio doesn’t deserve the level of free ride that some people want to give him, especially when they are trying to  blame everything but him for how bad we are.

Things like making Jon McLaughlin our first choice keeper, playing workmanlike Scott Wright most weeks,  trying turn Glen Kamara into a number 10, not replacing the height and physicality of Balogun, Aribo and Bassey this Summer, setting up to zonal mark at set pieces and having us look like we are going to concede every time the opposition have one, implementing an even slower more ponderous style of football that sees us starting games slowly and then trying to sit on leads and see games out, especially away from home, than we had before.

These are all decision made by the manager and the responsibility for that lies at his door.

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4 minutes ago, BlueSuedeSambas said:

And maybe they are also being coached badly. It’s not one thing that’s contributing to our poor form and Gio doesn’t deserve the level of free ride that some people want to give him, especially when they are trying to  blame everything but him for how bad we are.

Things like making Jon McLaughlin our first choice keeper, playing workmanlike Scott Wright most weeks,  trying turn Glen Kamara into a number 10, not replacing the height and physicality of Balogun, Aribo and Bassey this Summer, setting up to zonal mark at set pieces and having us look like we are going to concede every time the opposition have one, implementing an even slower more ponderous style of football that sees us starting games slowly and then trying to sit on leads and see games out, especially away from home, than we had before.

These are all decision made by the manager and the responsibility for that lies at his door.

Tbf he did try to replace balogun, we have 2 better centre halves than sands in the treatment room, 

As for set pieces, we were honking at them under the last manager as well, gio just hasnt fixed it yet, yeah thats on him but lets not kid ourselves that we were any better under previous regime (bar one season) 

We did replace aribo, unfortunately Lawrence is now crocked, aribo scored 9 and had 10 assists in 57 games last season, lawerence is on 3 and 2 in 9 games, he was well on the way to beating aribos no bother

Gio isnt blameless, but its still no surprise that the 3 players who have contributed the most this season were signed in the summer

[Smell the hotdog 4,129]

Can somecunt tell me who they think we’re getting in to replace Gio?

If you don’t think it’s going to be bargain bucket you’re absolutely aff your nut. This board isn’t putting hands in their pocket to sack Gio for starters, never mind going all out for a replacement and backing him in Jan.

[The Beast 9,515]

2 hours ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Gio has no say in signings.

Gio is working with Gerrards duds / losers. 

Players can't play any other way.

It's only 2 defeats.

 

Plenty excuses out there alright. For me it's not about whether he's culpable, purely about whether or not he's passed the point of no return.

It's 10 months since GvB was appointed. Has any aspect of the team or any individual player improved since he was appointed?  Or have they regressed?

That's the key question.

 

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33 minutes ago, Smell the hotdog said:

Can somecunt tell me who they think we’re getting in to replace Gio?

If you don’t think it’s going to be bargain bucket you’re absolutely aff your nut. This board isn’t putting hands in their pocket to sack Gio for starters, never mind going all out for a replacement and backing him in Jan.

Tbh that's a straw man argument. Don't get rid of a failing manager because who might replace him might be worse.

 

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There will be plenty of competent managers out there that could improve us should Gio leave. 

[BlueKnight87 17,913]

31 minutes ago, The Beast said:

It's 10 months since GvB was appointed. Has any aspect of the team or any individual player improved since he was appointed?  Or have they regressed?

That's the key question.

 

The key question is do we think gio can win the league. 

I don't think he can. His away record is poor. We're also seeing the stubbornness feyenoord fans warned about when he was appointed. 

[bluenoz 32,618]

Comparing Gio to Gerrard is irrelevant. Gio (and his Dutch staff) are not the answer. A mixture of Dutch and Scottish coaching staff may have been better suited, There is clear, miscommunication between coaching, management and players.

If my assessment bears any accuracy, then there is only one solution. The coach will inevitably fail. 

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3 hours ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

He can demand others pushed out all he wants, but if no one wants them what is he, or the club to do, as i said we were euro finalists and we only got bids for two players who, if we are honest, only played consistently well for half of last season, what does that say about the rest

In less than a year we have been to a euro final, won the scottish and qualified for the CL, are we of the belief now that the manager fluked that with these players, if so (and im not against the idea that it is, given my thoughts on the title win now) then what do we expect any other manager to get out of these players

By all means let's bring in another manager, but if you have guys not willing to run or take a shot off the face to get the 3 points, then any new guy will face the same shit, and if gio has lost the dressing room because of morelos incident or something else, then thats an even bigger worry as they could do it to anyone

Mate if the Tarriers can punt Barkas for money then ffs we can move on our squad if we want. You assume we only got two bids, yet present that as fact.  Its not fact.

Euro final, Scottish, CL qualifiers. You don't fluke that ffs. Shows fine well the players are capable. They did  it during Gios tenure. But when it's shit it's not his responsibility as they're nor his signings etc? Get that notion to fuck.

I expect a manager within 2 windows to remove any rot and replace with players he believes will play for him and improve the style of play. Any Rangers manager expecting longer to achieve less is not really understanding the gig. What do you expect from a Rangers manager after 2 transfer windows?

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Barkas is out on loan, scum will be lucky to get anything for him. 

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4 hours ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

Well the previous manager couldn't get them playing a different way either, and they were his players

Perhaps these players just aren't good enough, the euro run was a fluke, the title was a lot to do with the tarrier implosion, 

You said it yourself, these players are pros, yet these pros aren't even bothering their arse, if they wont do it for gio who took them to a euro final, whos to say they'll do it for anyone else

The blame seems to be shifted onto the manager pretty quickly when the bulk of this squad have been here 4 years and won two things out of 12, and one of they things came under gio

Maybe, just maybe, the common thing is the players

Maybe it is the players. The same players that in another post you say under Gio may have fluked it to a euro final, SC win, CL qualification.  Flukey as fuck for shite players.

Or maybe the manager/ coach doesn't have the buy in and commitment (that brings consistency) from the "shite" squad as they're bemused by tactics. 

 Bulk of squad 4 years.  4 of them renewed this summer. 2 going out of contract not moved on one way or another. 2 windows to move more on if he wanted.

At some point you simply need to accept much  of this is at Gios door.

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2 minutes ago, Rangers_no1 said:

Barkas is out on loan, scum will be lucky to get anything for him. 

They got him out the door one way or another, to a club delighted to take on his services.

There's always a club if you really want a player out the door.

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12 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

They got him out the door one way or another, to a club delighted to take on his services.

There's always a club if you really want a player out the door.

We got a fee for Simpson, so anything is possible.

[The Beast 9,515]

7 hours ago, BlueKnight87 said:

The key question is do we think gio can win the league. 

I don't think he can. His away record is poor. We're also seeing the stubbornness feyenoord fans warned about when he was appointed. 

It's not the key question though. 

A manager can do really well, bring in good players, make them play well, improve the team generally and still not win the league. Tommy Burns' teams at the scum were a good example, some great players who played well together but they were up against an even better Rangers team managed by an even better manager.

If we saw that happening, good players coming in, individual players getting better and the team generally improving then we would have some optimism even if the fat Aussie did win the league again this season. But we are not seeing any of that. Every aspect of the team is significantly worse and getting more so. 

 

 

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9 hours ago, The Beast said:

It's 10 months since GvB was appointed. Has any aspect of the team or any individual player improved since he was appointed?  Or have they regressed?

That's the key question.

 

Bassey.

Morelos (pre-injury).

Tactically spot on in Europa league.

That’s where it ends though. 

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Plus we have to find a manager willing to come in and play this formation and *Style*  we were told we not have a set up and playstyle, even the formation throughout the club and set up.

Weird how Gio and gerrard have seen it so differently. 

One more pressing and high fullbacks with inverted wingers.

The other looking to see out games at 1-0 and having a CDM drop between Cbs. Wingers and Fullbacks occupying the same spaces, both asked to get down the line. 

Interesting to see how the next managers interperates the 4-3-3 / 4-1-2-3

 

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,641]

Also need to remember as well that the tarriers are now past a calendar year without loss in the league (barely drew as well) both gerrard and gio would have struggled against that with these players