Board Issues

[KingKirk 26,467]

4 minutes ago, The Specky Forum Organiser said:

Because he chose to leave during a pandemic as he had other priorities.

Correct and now he wants to return space should be made it's easy enough remove park Jr 

[McEwan's Lager 32,052]

5 minutes ago, KingKirk said:

That's a different argument altogether obviously he is qualified to be on the board🤣

But you made the statement he should be offered a seat because he’s the largest individual shareholder. 

[The Specky Forum Organiser 69,517]

4 minutes ago, KingKirk said:

Correct and now he wants to return space should be made it's easy enough remove park Jr 

Park jr isn't the chairman which is what King wants to be?

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,587]

1 hour ago, KingKirk said:

See that's where we would need to trust the guy. Obviously he isn't going to put up that money but can he find a group of investors that are willing to bankroll the club with a long term strategy and plan.

Obviously he wants his shares gone but he is right we have no current plan going forward as to how we start being successful again.

If that is wrong and we do have a plan best that this current board come out and tell us what it is. 

And how do we bankroll it, FFP rules get even stricter in the coming seasons, we can't just issue another 50mill of shares, spend it on fees and wages and sit back for 3 years hoping it pays off

 

[KingKirk 26,467]

3 minutes ago, McEwan's Lager said:

But you made the statement he should be offered a seat because he’s the largest individual shareholder. 

Yes and he should especially over someone like park Jr.

[McEwan's Lager 32,052]

4 minutes ago, KingKirk said:

Yes and he should especially over someone like park Jr.

Graeme Park represents his Dad's interests. If you think King should get a seat on the board by virtue of having the largest shareholding then do you think Park Sr should be able to nominate someone to represent his interests if he is the second largest individual shareholder?

The other thing I always point out is that anyone can criticise Graeme Park as much as they want, I have on occasion, but at least he is resident in Scotland and attends every single game. That can't be said for any other board member. 

[The Specky Forum Organiser 69,517]

9 minutes ago, KingKirk said:

Yes and he should especially over someone like park Jr.

Why do you keep bringing him into it?  

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,587]

1 hour ago, Boybluesy said:

See this long term strategy - it's pish.  We need a current strategy that allows us to be successful and build on it. 

Nope, we need a long term one because there is absolutely no guarantees that you can build on a current strategy

In 2018 we planned on how to stop the ten, nothing else mattered, euro runs were good, brilliant in fact but stopping the ten was the only goal we had, once we did that everycunt stood about scratching their heads wondering what to do now

We had assets that no one wanted that summer, we had a manager who didn't want to sell anyway and wanted more money spent, and we had a board who realised we were one more loss making season away from FFP shite

That summer and/or the summer after seville we should have sold the lot, likes of kent etc, even if it was for half a million or something, once colak scored away in holland against PSV we should have punted everything with 2 years or less on their deal, wipe the slate clean and start fresh, massively reduce the wage bill, reduce the age of the squad, clear out the old era, only ones you'd have kept were the likes of arfield, balogun on low wages but experienced, giving someone like goldson 40k a week was fucking madness. 

If we had started then and targetted the type of players that clement has brought in the now, we'd likely not have won the league in any of the seasons, but we'd have more chance of selling assets who are young and developing and beginning the conveyor belt of money making through player trading

Instead we are 2 or 3 seasons behind that schedule and have way less money than we did back then

[KingKirk 26,467]

4 minutes ago, The Specky Forum Organiser said:

Park jr isn't the chairman which is what King wants to be?

Aye now there is a vacancy but before that his main aim was getting on the board in parks seat I still think that's the easiest way onto the board. 

 

[The Specky Forum Organiser 69,517]

3 minutes ago, KingKirk said:

Aye now there is a vacancy but before that his main aim was getting on the board in parks seat I still think that's the easiest way onto the board. 

 

Until Bennett stepped down he didn't show any interest at all in coming back? He's been actively trying to sell his shares.

[KingKirk 26,467]

15 minutes ago, McEwan's Lager said:

Graeme Park represents his Dad's interests. If you think King should get a seat on the board by virtue of having the largest shareholding then do you think Park Sr should be able to nominate someone to represent his interests if he is the second largest individual shareholder?

The other thing I always point out is that anyone can criticise Graeme Park as much as they want, I have on occasion, but at least he is resident in Scotland and attends every single game. That can't be said for any other board member. 

Shouldn't king have a voice on that board? That voice is being silenced because of a core block. It's in the interests of everyone to work together for the benefit of the club. 

The only people winning out of this nonsense are the scum It needs to end. 

[blaudrup 6,240]

Make the board run up Gullane Sands like the good old days imo

[Bluekev 47,050]

4 minutes ago, blaudrup said:

Make the board run up Gullane Sands like the good old days imo

Park Jr can’t even make it up to the directors box without a rest.

[Loyal72 13,613]

3 minutes ago, Bluekev said:

Park Jr can’t even make it up to the directors box without a rest.

Nevermind the directors box, he struggles with the front step at the main door.

[McEwan's Lager 32,052]

14 minutes ago, KingKirk said:

Shouldn't king have a voice on that board? That voice is being silenced because of a core block. It's in the interests of everyone to work together for the benefit of the club. 

The only people winning out of this nonsense are the scum It needs to end. 

King can either buy someone out so he has enough votes to guarantee himself a seat on the board, or he can convince enough current shareholders to give him the votes to put himself on the board.

The former is unlikely as he actively is looking for a buyer and his past and continued actions make the latter look unlikely - so no, I don’t think he does.

[STEPPS BOY 77,493]

1 hour ago, esquire8 said:

We all know why he wants that. He's simply trying to appeal to the support, not the shareholders.

It's not going to happen, he's not going to get back in and he's never going to be able to sell his shares.

So basically a vote between 25 percent of folk who own shares at club

 

Good stuff.

[MurrayWilson 3,691]

King is bang on with a lot of the criticism of the current board. We do seem directionless and we do seem to make the wrong decision at just about every turn. Add the complete lack of communication with support and it aint great.

What he has come away with today though is complete mince. Saying Gerrard was effectively chased from the club because he wasnt backed is nonsense. Ive no doubt he wouldve been backed had he made a fairly easy champions league qualification. It was basically his own fault. He had lost interest for whatever reason. His blase attitude as to where his main striker was(missing) before the first leg of one of our most important ties in years was evidence of that. King is trying to rewrite history here.

[STEPPS BOY 77,493]

55 minutes ago, McEwan's Lager said:

Graeme Park represents his Dad's interests. If you think King should get a seat on the board by virtue of having the largest shareholding then do you think Park Sr should be able to nominate someone to represent his interests if he is the second largest individual shareholder?

The other thing I always point out is that anyone can criticise Graeme Park as much as they want, I have on occasion, but at least he is resident in Scotland and attends every single game. That can't be said for any other board member. 

He isn’t the answer, and no-one is saying he is, but because he looks like a goon folk forget the Parks business has a turnover of £1 Billion and him and his brother basically run it.

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,587]

14 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said:

So basically a vote between 25 percent of folk who own shares at club

 

Good stuff.

Did he not try (successfully) with something like this at the last EGM, basically anyone who owned shares but was a company name and didnt reveal who really owned them got barred from the EGM vote

[esquire8 45,152]

15 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said:

So basically a vote between 25 percent of folk who own shares at club

 

Good stuff.

Exactly. Ain't happening.

14 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said:

He isn’t the answer, and no-one is saying he is, but because he looks like a goon folk forget the Parks business has a turnover of £1 Billion and him and his brother basically run it.

Good motor group expertise. Woeful making any decisions for a football club.

[STEPPS BOY 77,493]

7 minutes ago, esquire8 said:

Exactly. Ain't happening.

Good motor group expertise. Woeful making any decisions for a football club.

And that’s why if they’re staying put they need to go get a proper respected CEO and let him run the club.

Time for the investors/directors to step back and let others do the day to day stuff.

[BlueKnight87 17,862]

16 minutes ago, MurrayWilson said:

King is bang on with a lot of the criticism of the current board. We do seem directionless and we do seem to make the wrong decision at just about every turn. Add the complete lack of communication with support and it aint great.

What he has come away with today though is complete mince. Saying Gerrard was effectively chased from the club because he wasnt backed is nonsense. Ive no doubt he wouldve been backed had he made a fairly easy champions league qualification. It was basically his own fault. He had lost interest for whatever reason. His blase attitude as to where his main striker was(missing) before the first leg of one of our most important ties in years was evidence of that. King is trying to rewrite history here.

Spot on 👍. Gerrard always wanted to manage down south and took the first opportunity that came to head there.

Even if Gerrard got the backing he wanted with us, I don't doubt for a second he still takes the villa job. 

As for King and the board. He's not getting an EGM. The only way he's back on the board is if he can get enough shareholders to back him. 

[esquire8 45,152]

Just now, STEPPS BOY said:

And that’s why if they’re staying put they need to go get a proper respected CEO and let him run the club.

Time for the investors/directors to step back and let others do the day to day stuff.

100% but the issue is the current incumbents like Graeme Park will be making that decision on the next CEO and doubtful they will resist keeping out of business decisions. 

Will they get it right? For the clubs future they better make this the only decision they ever have done right. If they fuck it up again then it only proves King right.

[Boybluesy 4,047]

2 hours ago, Jimfanciesthedude said:

Nope, we need a long term one because there is absolutely no guarantees that you can build on a current strategy

In 2018 we planned on how to stop the ten, nothing else mattered, euro runs were good, brilliant in fact but stopping the ten was the only goal we had, once we did that everycunt stood about scratching their heads wondering what to do now

We had assets that no one wanted that summer, we had a manager who didn't want to sell anyway and wanted more money spent, and we had a board who realised we were one more loss making season away from FFP shite

That summer and/or the summer after seville we should have sold the lot, likes of kent etc, even if it was for half a million or something, once colak scored away in holland against PSV we should have punted everything with 2 years or less on their deal, wipe the slate clean and start fresh, massively reduce the wage bill, reduce the age of the squad, clear out the old era, only ones you'd have kept were the likes of arfield, balogun on low wages but experienced, giving someone like goldson 40k a week was fucking madness. 

If we had started then and targetted the type of players that clement has brought in the now, we'd likely not have won the league in any of the seasons, but we'd have more chance of selling assets who are young and developing and beginning the conveyor belt of money making through player trading

Instead we are 2 or 3 seasons behind that schedule and have way less money than we did back then

All that means is the then current strategy wasn't built upon.  You don't need to wait years to have built on the 55 or Europa team.  Bad short term decisions were taken that has taken us to where we are now, not bad long term decisions.   We sacked Gio after getting to a Europa final - what's long term about that. 

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,587]

12 minutes ago, Boybluesy said:

All that means is the then current strategy wasn't built upon.  You don't need to wait years to have built on the 55 or Europa team.  Bad short term decisions were taken that has taken us to where we are now, not bad long term decisions.   We sacked Gio after getting to a Europa final - what's long term about that. 

You said we need a current strategy to be successful, what im saying is that without long term planning, a current one can result in being where we are the now

In 2018 their current strategy was to stop the ten, but not a word or thought on long term impact of overspending on wages etc without the revenue to pay for it 

Imagine king comes in with investors and manages to invest 50mill, between jan and next summer we spend and win the league next season, then what? 

I actually don't think the club has ever had a long term plan in my lifetime, even under murray it was living season to season relying on the euro money and overdrafts, which was fine when no cunt else had one

But the tarriers do, they most likely have lists of players who can replace any of their sellable assets from the word go

Current strategy to win is fine, so long as there's a long term plan on what to do when we eventually do win