Have we lost influence in the Scottish game?

[thehost 11,061]

When Murray got bored he left a total incompetent in charge. Martin Bain was a complete disaster who meekly surrendered our influence. The non-execs looked on and said hee haw as the clubs reputation went down the shitter as liewell, and a complaint media, went to town.

The place has been a laughing stock since 2000.

[tannerall 25,935]

Have we lost influence in the Scottish game ?

Is the pope a catholic ?

Is Sturgeon a wee bloke ?

To be fair, there are some of us still not decided on the third question. 

[j1mgg 3,766]

It is like general society where it is all about pandering to the minority. We are seen as the big bad club that has has been oppressing the minority, and other smaller clubs ha e jumped on the bandwagon in the hope of getting them further up the tree.

[BLUEDIGNITY 33,647]

The only NO SURRENDER come from the FANS who put their money where their mouths are and FOLLOW their Team no matter what !

[The Widow's Son 399]

44 minutes ago, Falcoholic said:

The football situation is merely a small part in a bigger picture I'm afraid.

The picture is much bigger than you think

A very interesting comments methinks.  Since I don't live in Scotland - and haven't done so for many decades - I can't comment on this one.  But I'm intrigued by it.  Explain if you please.

[BF1 167]

Would say we have lost some of our influence, but I would say we're only second to the unwashed, our club is too big compered to the other clubs to not be able to exert more influence than them. 

We've only been in the top flight for a season, we'll get more influence as time goes on. Sure once we start doing better in Europe and have a sizeable contribution towards the leagues coefficient we'll get even more influence. 

[Howsitgoing 4,281]

Rangers as a support could never put itself into a situation where it predominantly adopts a victims attitude. Whilst the paedos advance with an attitude that humanity in general abhors we can not put ourselves into a situation that reflects it. 

Eventually the bigger story will be told and the scum will be outed. 

[Juniorsparkie 491]

1 hour ago, BlueboyG said:

No influence in any matter or form, No one likes us, We don't care !

It was a fuckin high horse they can't wait to jump, other clubs can do things write off debts, film schemes, eh ebts, go into administration and does anyone else jump in arms ?

Its fuckin ridiculous, I still say the blue pound should stay at Ibrox fuck the others give them nothing, nada, not a counting bolt.

Send 50 fans so that they need police and segregation, make them available to disabled kids etc so they cunts need to provide resources.

[BlueboyG 5,238]

2 minutes ago, Juniorsparkie said:

It was a fuckin high horse they can't wait to jump, other clubs can do things write off debts, film schemes, eh ebts, go into administration and does anyone else jump in arms ?

Its fuckin ridiculous, I still say the blue pound should stay at Ibrox fuck the others give them nothing, nada, not a counting bolt.

Send 50 fans so that they need police and segregation, make them available to disabled kids etc so they cunts need to provide resources.

Agree, I don't understand those who rush to line the pockets of our enemy, the only way we can rise above every one of these hating cunts is to fuck them on the pitch, there is no answer to that.

[Reformation Bear 6,453]

Influence can be a difficult thing to measure in terms of tangible outcomes or decisions reached because of our historical 'influence'.    But these days its certainly hard to find evidence of Rangers' influence having any meaningful outcome.    Take the 2016 Scottish Cup Final end of game assaults on Rangers players and staff, and all of the rightly strong statements by King and the Board In the immediate aftermath, followed the subsequent SFA enquiry.   Could anyone really make a convincing argument that Rangers' influence was strong enough to cause meaningful action to be taken against Hibs, their so-called supporters, the Police, the stewarding, and the SFA itself as the tournament organiser?   No sign of Rangers influence being brought to bear on what was a serious incident.   The early protests by King and the Board now look just like a hollow shout which went unheeded by the football authorities.

Perhaps the same question should be asked about respect for Rangers.   Now that is a bit more tangible to measure.   The active harm agenda for one.   The persistent hostility of the media (papers and BBC and Sky (eg Sutton)) being another.    The unwillingness of certain Scottish clubs to do transfer business with Rangers being another example.  

There are 3 main areas where the Club could start to exert more influence and force more respect.   

One is on the pitch.  There is nothing quite like winning games and winning league titles and cups to shift the agenda on to how well a team is doing rather than finding other things to criticise about the Club.  

Another is the blue pound - the economic benefit to Scottish football of the continued loyalty of the Support in going to away games.      Maybe the Club should be regularly pointing out how much revenue each of the clubs get simply by Rangers being in the league and by playing in cup games.      The point being to get more in the faces of the SFA, the SPFL and clubs by reminding them often of the revenue they get, and the spin off revenue to their towns when Rangers come calling.   

The third is the Board messaging.     Maybe they should be more visibly 'in the faces' of the SFA, SPFL and certain other clubs far more vocally with the Rangers point of view and with Rangers proposals, and in general take the initiative more often.    Right now they seem to me to be largely in react mode and defensively at that.    Wonder why they can't or won't find it in themselves to get more on the front foot and carry their messages to the football authorities, the media and other clubs more often and more forcefully.   A Chairman and voice of the Board based in South Africa does not help on this, in fact it hinders.  But then he knows this and has acknowledged that it would be better to have a locally based Chairman.   No point in relying on Robertson for that sort of leading role - he does not have the weight of character or gravitas for that. 

[Copland bear 7,966]

Maybe if the board and club 1872 actually defended our club it would be a start, When Celtic demanded  a review of the title stripping( basically calling us cheats) We should have said with their history's past, they are in no position to take the moral high ground not now or in the future and  left it at that. 

They say anything else, we say Jim Torbet has already been convicted in 1998 for crimes between 70-74 against young boys and we fully back sheriff Gimbletts decision to sentence him to 30 months.  But the BBC's panorama have brought to light Celtic let Torbett return to abuse more boys and if convicted again then Celtic fc have a serious case to answer.

That would shut them up and have the SFA demanding we have a meeting at Hampden, we demand Petrie is removed from the SFA as he should have been after the Scottish cup final and demand our man be put on the SFA board, We also state when the abuse inquiry is over we expect like every person in Scotland that Celtic be hammered by our footballing bodies after all court cases are concluded for their cover up of the sex abuse atbtheir club .

Transfer ban for 4 windows, £20 million fine and relegated.  We as a nation must show we will expose pedophiles  at every level and if anyone like Hibernian who knew about  Neeley and Celtic who if Torbett is reconvicted then the evidence is incontestable as they can't dispute the fact Torbett has been convicted by courts twice. 

Then watch Lawell back peddle, if he says that's not gonna happen , then demand they get suspended for a season or their membersip ripped up and parkhead made into flats. 

Thats why we are still the bitches, time the board stepped up to the plate and hit a home run.   

[WGOH 2,344]

Lawwell has too many people in his pocket and too many puppets in high places. 

[Falcoholic 1,348]

54 minutes ago, The Widow's Son said:

A very interesting comments methinks.  Since I don't live in Scotland - and haven't done so for many decades - I can't comment on this one.  But I'm intrigued by it.  Explain if you please.

You have a PM

Public Authorities, Public Services, The Judiciary and the media have been "infiltrated" by those with a particularly religious leaning  and are now heavily weighted to be pro them, pro republican, pro nationalist anti Rangers, anti protestant and anti unionist.

Like I said, much much bigger picture.

[cushynumber 25,178]

yes. Fucks knows why cellic want the OBAFM abolished its been a godsend to them to allow them to firmly establish themselves as the victims - people did say at the time it was a victims charter and they were correct. This is a mindset we simply dont have and cant comprehend.

Coupled with Liewell holding court in the upper echelons of the game and the SNP being used by the republican community for its own ends and its a bit of a triple whammy.

[KeyserSoze 14,532]

24 minutes ago, Copland bear said:

Maybe if the board and club 1872 actually defended our club it would be a start, When Celtic demanded  a review of the title stripping( basically calling us cheats) We should have said with their history's past, they are in no position to take the moral high ground not now or in the future anda left it at that. 

They say anything else, we say Jim Torbet has already been convicted in 1998 for crimes between 70-74 against young boys and we fully back sheriff Gimbletts decision to sentence him to 30 months.  But the BBC's panorama have brought to light Celtic let Torbett return to abuse boys and if convicted again then Celtic fc have a serious case to answer.

That would shut them up and have the SFA demanding we have a meeting at Hampden, we demand Petrie is removed from the SFA as he should have been after the Scottish cup final and demand a man on the SFA board, We also state when the abuse inquiry is over we expect like every person in Scotland that Celtic be hammered by our footballing bodies.  

Transfer ban for 4 windows, £20 million fine and relegated.  We as a nation must show we will expose pedophiles  at every level and if anyone like Hibernian who knew about  Neeley and Celtic who if Torbett is reconvicted then the evidence is incontestable as they can't dispute the fact Torbett has been convicted by courts twice. 

Then watch Lawell back peddle, if he says that's not gonna happen , then demand they get suspended for a season or their membersip ripped up and parkhead made into flats. 

Thats why we are still the bitches, time the board stepped up to the plate and hit a home run.   

Nah, that would make us look stupid tbh.

The punishment for child abuse should be jail not football related sanctions ffs.

and we do have a man on the board and they don't

 

[eejay the dj 31,964]

2 hours ago, The Widow's Son said:

Shortly after he became CEO with Celtic, I remember Fergus McCann stating that "Celtic had few friends" in the administration of Scottish football.  I don't think that this is the case these days.  It seems that they have gained so much power in the Scottish game and are using this power in a direct way.  Witness their recent comments on the tax case decision last week:  would a club with little power be so confident in making they response that they did?  Perhaps they are making moving moves in the background to see titles removed.  

This begs the questions:  if Celtic are in the ascendancy in the high offices of the Scottish game, where does that leave us? Why were they able to gain such influence?  What can our club do to assert itself and regain a measure of the power we appear to have lost?

An earlier thread asked us to sum up the past five seasons:  we have lost our confidence, our never, our bite.  Would that a Jock Wallace type figure was at the helm of the board as well as the team.  Do they exist anymore?

You are miles off .They completely run the game up here .Completely

The Spl was their baby started with a beggar Fuck pig and that was their way in

We were blindsided by their beggarism and we are still blindsided to this day 

They will stop at nothing to get complete dominance of everything Scottish football 

They probably even have the refs in the bag now  

[Copland bear 7,966]

25 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

Nah, that would make us look stupid tbh.

The punishment for child abuse should be jail not football related sanctions ffs.

and we do have a man on the board and they don't

 

And we wonder why we are the bitches ? No football sanctions?  It happened at a football club with what now looks like the club actually allowed this to happen without calling the police and it took 20 years later for some kids to get justice.  It's both police related and when Torbett is convicted it becomes or associations business, The SFA looked away once, and we must not allow them to do it again  

Two words  for you PENN STATE.

[KeyserSoze 14,532]

15 minutes ago, Copland bear said:

And we wonder why we are the bitches ? No football sanctions?  It happened at a football club with what now looks like the club actually allowed this to happen without calling the police and it took 20 years later for some kids to get justice.  It's both police related and when Torbett is convicted it becomes or associations business, The SFA looked away once, and we must not allow them to do it again  

Two words  for you PENN STATE.

Jail not football sanctions - end of

perpetrators, those that colluded those that facilitated and those that sanctioned - JAIL

Do you actually know what you are talking about when you shout "PENN STATE"? obviously not or you would't be shouting about it....

[Copland bear 7,966]

17 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

Jail not football sanctions - end of

perpetrators, those that colluded those that facilitated and those that sanctioned - JAIL

Do you actually know what you are talking about when you shout "PENN STATE"? obviously not or you would't be shouting about it....

Why should Celtic not be brought before footballs governing body ?  They have brought the game into disrepute by not contacting the police in the first place.  

Yes I actually do know what I am talking about as the shoe is now on the other foot and what they did and their precious boards did make Murray and Whyte look like a couple of Jesus' disciples

 

Have Celtic brought the game into disrepute?  If he get convicted again they have dragged our game through the mud and after the courts deal with those who offended hopefully the police then the SFA will take action against those pedo harbouring scum called Celtic football club, and remember we are maybe talking 4 at Celtic, so did they know about the others?   

 

[The Dude 20,026]

55 minutes ago, Copland bear said:

And we wonder why we are the bitches ? No football sanctions?  It happened at a football club with what now looks like the club actually allowed this to happen without calling the police and it took 20 years later for some kids to get justice.  It's both police related and when Torbett is convicted it becomes or associations business, The SFA looked away once, and we must not allow them to do it again  

Two words  for you PENN STATE.

Penn State had every single honour re-instated. 

[Howsitgoing 4,281]

25 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

Jail not football sanctions - end of

perpetrators, those that colluded those that facilitated and those that sanctioned - JAIL

Do you actually know what you are talking about when you shout "PENN STATE"? obviously not or you would't be shouting about it....

If the English FA are was made aware that an associated football club knew what jock etc did and did nothing about it that  club would be sanctioned. 

If Crewe etc does receive sanctions then the scum bastards that have been the cancer of Scottish football for too long, must receive them too.  

[Copland bear 7,966]

1 minute ago, The Dude said:

Penn State had every single honour re-instated. 

Aye but they still got a crippling fine and were were hampered for years because of their actions.

Even Obama said they had to be punished.

[Deanzmeanzheinz 4,312]

To answer the OP - no we have not. 

The 'old firm' concept is dead on its feet however. I just can't see how we could collide together in the future. 

One simple way we could wield our influence is to boycott away grounds of club's actively involved in stripping our titles. I know they'll always be Bears who will attend no matter what but we must use our 'blue pound' effectively 

[The Dude 20,026]

43 minutes ago, Copland bear said:

Aye but they still got a crippling fine and were were hampered for years because of their actions.

Even Obama said they had to be punished.

A punishment is fair enough but almost all sporting sanctions were lifted. 

[Thermopylae 15,286]

4 hours ago, Theulstervolunteer said:

Too many fenians in Scotland and they breed like rats hence they end up infiltrating every aspect of society .... it's a slippy slope ...

The problem is the prods are just too complacent meanwhile the other lot make it their lives work to advance their position and grow their influence. Considering what a huge club we are it's remarkable how little influence we now have in the Scottish game