Gerrard reportedly in for Tav and Goldson

[KeyserSoze 14,592]

2 minutes ago, left winger said:

Obviously, no one’s suggesting using money from the sale of Butland to buy players of that calibre. But yes, unless someone with loads of money to burn buys the club, selling players at their highest/a high value needs to be part of our strategy.

Yes they are suggesting that. Who did we get off the back of - Aribo, Bassey, Patterson?

nobody of very much significance  that’s who, just a whole load of bang average players that did nothing but steal a wage and hang about like a bad smell  

 

[KeyserSoze 14,592]

5 minutes ago, The Godfather said:

No one is buying Scott Wright. You don't tend to get many offers for shite players.

Selling players when they are at their highest ceiling is what this club has to be doing now, this isn't the 90s anymore. We are a stepping stone for players to bigger things and if we can make significant money on transfer like Butland who was a free then we are going to take it.

The club would be negligent if it didn't. We don't have a Sheik funding the running of the club, if we want to be self sufficient we need to be selling players at the right time.

Not the fans fault we spent our European money and Bassey money on utter shite. You can't judge future sales and purchases based on that, that's daft.

I was using Wright as an example of a player we brought to the club rather than selling him. 
 

You make my point - once  we have found a decent player we should keep them because nobody can be trusted to gamble their profit. 
 

 

[left winger 14,290]

2 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

Yes they are suggesting that. Who did we get off the back of - Aribo, Bassey, Patterson?

nobody of very much significance  that’s who, just a whole load of bang average players that did nothing but steal a wage and hang about like a bad smell  

 

Don’t talk rubbish. Not one person has said, nor implied - ‘let’s get loads of money for Butland, or other players, and use it to buy bang average players.’ Any comments are about using the money for Clement to rebuild.

If, however, you’re happy with the squad we’ve got, and don’t think we need to move players on and get new ones in (unlike every successful club in the world), then your thoughts on selling players make perfect sense.

[J-Maestro 11,188]

6 minutes ago, left winger said:

Don’t talk rubbish. Not one person has said, nor implied - ‘let’s get loads of money for Butland, or other players, and use it to buy bang average players.’ Any comments are about using the money for Clement to rebuild.

If, however, you’re happy with the squad we’ve got, and don’t think we need to move players on and get new ones in (unlike every successful club in the world), then your thoughts on selling players make perfect sense.

Even then it doesn’t, as they’re all getting older and we’d have no money to replace in a few years.

[KeyserSoze 14,592]

1 minute ago, left winger said:

Don’t talk rubbish. Not one person has said, nor implied - ‘let’s get loads of money for Butland, or other players, and use it to buy bang average players.’ Any comments are about using the money for Clement to rebuild.

If, however, you’re happy with the squad we’ve got, and don’t think we need to move players on and get new ones in (unlike every successful club in the world), then your thoughts on selling players make perfect sense.

Of course we need shot of the majority of our players. My argument is against selling our best player(s) because we know what we have but don’t know what we are getting. 
 

Fans wanting shot of Butland is bizarre. 
But if you’re happy for him to go because £10m might get us some more unknown clobber then crack on. 
 

We should be building a team around him, Diamonde, Sterling and hopefully Cortes. Not flogging them at the first go

[Prso's headband 35,576]

Our fans have a fetish for keeping players forever. Same with Kamara, Morelos, Kent. Now Goldson, Tav, and Lundstram. 
 

It’s the one thing that they do much better than us. Their turnover of players, for profit or just to get rid of them is night and day. In the same time we’ve had Tav and Goldson, theyve had about 6 different CB and RBs, all of which have been sold for profit or if they’re shite have been moved on very quickly. 
 

We just don’t have that foresight yet, especially with poorer players. Hopefully this summer is finally the start of the 3 year overdue clearance. 

[J-Maestro 11,188]

23 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

Of course we need shot of the majority of our players. My argument is against selling our best player(s) because we know what we have but don’t know what we are getting. 
 

Fans wanting shot of Butland is bizarre. 
But if you’re happy for him to go because £10m might get us some more unknown clobber then crack on. 
 

We should be building a team around him, Diamonde, Sterling and hopefully Cortes. Not flogging them at the first go

Nobody wants shot of Butland, I didn't want Bassey to go but when you get that offer you take it.

[KeyserSoze 14,592]

11 minutes ago, J-Maestro said:

Nobody wants shot of Butland, I didn't want Bassey to go but when you get that offer you take it.

So you only want shot of Butland when a decent offer comes in?

Yes or no?

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,810]

9 minutes ago, Prso's headband said:

Our fans have a fetish for keeping players forever. Same with Kamara, Morelos, Kent. Now Goldson, Tav, and Lundstram. 
 

It’s the one thing that they do much better than us. Their turnover of players, for profit or just to get rid of them is night and day. In the same time we’ve had Tav and Goldson, theyve had about 6 different CB and RBs, all of which have been sold for profit or if they’re shite have been moved on very quickly. 
 

We just don’t have that foresight yet, especially with poorer players. Hopefully this summer is finally the start of the 3 year overdue clearance. 

They sell themselves more as a stepping stone to EPL club and seem to have players buy into signing contract extensions to get the scum a bigger fee when sold. Players likely use that higher salary in the last year to demand even higher from the club they go to. Unfortunately their buying and selling strategy works very very well for them.

[J-Maestro 11,188]

8 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

So you only want shot of Butland when a decent offer comes in?

Yes or no?

I want shot of anyone for a good offer. That's how we should be operating...

[left winger 14,290]

47 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

Of course we need shot of the majority of our players. My argument is against selling our best player(s) because we know what we have but don’t know what we are getting. 
 

Fans wanting shot of Butland is bizarre. 
But if you’re happy for him to go because £10m might get us some more unknown clobber then crack on. 
 

We should be building a team around him, Diamonde, Sterling and hopefully Cortes. Not flogging them at the first go

Again, just making shite up - now with your 'unknown clobber' patter.

No one is saying to flog Diomande or Sterling. 

As I've said before, if there's no one coming in with millions to spend, we need to sell to progress. Now, I don't know anyone who wants to sell Butland, but if we did and got in another 2 or 3 with the potential of Diomande and Sterling Cortes, then that makes perfect sense.

 

[Big Al 55 9,276]

2 hours ago, KeyserSoze said:

Why would you consider selling Butland?

it’s a mentality with some of our supporters- regarding selling our best players for cash instead of wanting to keep them for success - that is utterly bizarre 

 

needs binned it’s a shite attitude brought on by too many clowns playing Football Manager 

 

Because we need 15-20m to rebuild. Hes the only one we will realistically receive real money for. I’d rather not but it’s the reality.

[KeyserSoze 14,592]

3 minutes ago, J-Maestro said:

I want shot of anyone for a good offer. That's how we should be operating...

Ok I don’t. 
 

I’d be raging if Butland was sold

And you would be a wee bit upset but you would understand and trust our board that say £10 was spent wisely. 
(because we have a great track record of that 😂)

 

[Big Al 55 9,276]

1 hour ago, The Godfather said:

If we get a big offer for Butland he is gone. He's our biggest asset right now and like it or not we require significant funds for a rebuild.

Mental people don’t realise that. If it’s a choice between an interior GK and far improved squad…

[J-Maestro 11,188]

1 minute ago, KeyserSoze said:

Ok I don’t. 
 

I’d be raging if Butland was sold

And you would be a wee bit upset but you would understand and trust our board that say £10 was spent wisely. 
(because we have a great track record of that 😂)

 

What was the point in bringing Clement and Koppen in if we're not going to a) raise a budget, b) trust them to identify players?

[KeyserSoze 14,592]

3 minutes ago, left winger said:

Again, just making shite up - now with your 'unknown clobber' patter.

No one is saying to flog Diomande or Sterling. 

As I've said before, if there's no one coming in with millions to spend, we need to sell to progress. Now, I don't know anyone who wants to sell Butland, but if we did and got in another 2 or 3 with the potential of Diomande and Sterling Cortes, then that makes perfect sense.

 

You would - if we got decent offers for players that are part of a rebuild to sell them for another rebuild. 
bonkers

[J-Maestro 11,188]

Just now, KeyserSoze said:

You would - if we got decent offers for players that are part of a rebuild to sell them for another rebuild. 
bonkers

Are you on the wind up?

[KeyserSoze 14,592]

Just now, J-Maestro said:

Are you on the wind up?

No. 
would you be happy for Diamonde to go for £10m?

 

[Big Al 55 9,276]

3 minutes ago, J-Maestro said:

What was the point in bringing Clement and Koppen in if we're not going to a) raise a budget, b) trust them to identify players?

100% you need the right people in charge and money to invest 👍

You bring these guys in they are going to want a chunk of change to get things moving.

[left winger 14,290]

16 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

You would - if we got decent offers for players that are part of a rebuild to sell them for another rebuild. 
bonkers

In the future, Diomande and Sterling will leave this club and go to another club, and hopefully we will get millions for them. Now I’d be stunned if that was this summer, but if we got offered £10m for Butland, £10m for Diomande (not sure if we’d be allowed to sell - seem to remember something about more than 2 clubs in a year) and £10m for Sterling I’d definitely sell one (the easiest one to replace), and possibly two of them.  Doubt I’d sell all three. 

[J-Maestro 11,188]

30 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

No. 
would you be happy for Diamonde to go for £10m?

 

If that's the only offer we get for raising funds for the transfer kitty then of course I'd sell a £4m player for £10m 6 months later.

How do you propose we improve the team?

[The Specky Forum Organiser 65,052]

3 hours ago, KeyserSoze said:

Why would you consider selling Butland?

it’s a mentality with some of our supporters- regarding selling our best players for cash instead of wanting to keep them for success - that is utterly bizarre 

 

needs binned it’s a shite attitude brought on by too many clowns playing Football Manager 

 

Probably more likely that people have common sense as to how we need to operate as a club. Also because the club repeatedly tell us.

[STEPPS BOY 74,164]

We go on about the club not being serious about a player trading model but some of our fans really aren’t ready for it either.

[KeyserSoze 14,592]

Just now, J-Maestro said:

If that's the only offer we get for raising funds for the transfer kitty then of course I'd sell a £4m player for £10m 6 months later.

How do you propose we improve the team?

Not by selling our best prospects that’s for sure. 😂

Players that Clement see as our future, to work with and develop into players that will bring us success.  
 

what you describe is selling our best assets and keeping our shite (because nobody will have them)  ergo we have a bang average team that continues to play second fiddle to them cunts in the East  

I’m dumbfounded that supporters think by selling our best players will give us money to buy even better players than what we just sold. It’s fucking bizarre and rarely has ever panned out that way. 
it’s a dream scenario a big fat unicorn of a strategy. 
 

Of course there is a balance to be struck because we need inward investment. But not when we only have three or four real assets. Let’s chat again when our team have won lots of stuff over a few seasons. But until then let’s just keep our best talent and put them to work 

[J-Maestro 11,188]

2 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

Not by selling our best prospects that’s for sure. 😂

Players that Clement see as our future, to work with and develop into players that will bring us success.  
 

what you describe is selling our best assets and keeping our shite (because nobody will have them)  ergo we have a bang average team that continues to play second fiddle to them cunts in the East  

I’m dumbfounded that supporters think by selling our best players will give us money to buy even better players than what we just sold. It’s fucking bizarre and rarely has ever panned out that way. 
it’s a dream scenario a big fat unicorn of a strategy. 
 

Of course there is a balance to be struck because we need inward investment. But not when we only have three or four real assets. Let’s chat again when our team have won lots of stuff over a few seasons. But until then let’s just keep our best talent and put them to work 

They’re not good enough to win now and you want to leave it a few seasons.