[Tav's time is up.]

5 minutes ago, five stars said:

Still waiting for example of exciting, effective forward play from Tav yesterday?

Tav was decent yesterday and produced a more focused defensive performance 

I can be his biggest critic but he was fine yesterday 

[Matondo]

8 hours ago, Hairy Scot said:

I've followed Rangers since 1960 and this is the worst Rangers team I've ever seen.

The defence is weak, the midfield is ineffective, and the front men, when they do get service, rarely make good use of it.

And why oh why does Tavernier have to take every throw in, every corner, and every free kick?

It's no even in the top 3 worst Rangers teams of the last ten year 

[Fabio Silva]

I refuse to believe that's a dive 

He isn't looking for it either , he's lying on the ground with his head in his hands after it because he knows hes made a cunt of it 

He's pish but refuse to believe he's stupid enough to dive in that position 

[The other mob]

1 hour ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

Turkish polis won't take lightly him skelping one of them. Hopefully nice and painful, and not a quick lesson he gets from them.

Long time in a Turkish prison awaits I imagine for assaulting an officer 

How sad...

[*****Official Rangers vs Hearts Scottish Cup semi final thread*****]

I'm actually going to try and be positive here 

A hard fought Win tomorrow and we have something positive to aim for 

Hopefully that sees at least a rise in performance that pushes us on in the league and whatever happens there happens.

Do I think we will manage 5 wins , honestly at this point no but even an improvement in drive and performance would be good so that at the very least we can go into the possibility of a final against them with some sort of belief 

is that too much to ask Rangers 

[Hearts Semi Final]

7 hours ago, Leftpegcoopz11 said:

Nothings done till it's mathematically done. Stranger things have happened. Helicopter Sunday for instance. We went into that last game of the season with more hope than belief. 

To be fair you had a bit of faith that day our team would at least do our job and the hope was Motherwell would produce something 

The form we are in the now if helicopter Sunday unfolded Celtic would probably get beat on the final day and we would still find a way to fuck it 

[The other mob]

Unbelievable man 

[The other mob]

Why have the sheepshaggers decided to go back to sitting off these wanks after actually attacking these cunts in the last ten of normal time actually worked so well for them 

[Done with the same old faces]

16 hours ago, Prso's headband said:

That’s all Ive heard since 2019. No bad luck if you’re looking at 2 doubles and treble the 3 seasons after you lose your only league title in 13 years. 

Celtic are set up to have a bad season and instantly recover from it and be ready to challenge again the following season and truth be told have been since the summer they hired O'neil

We used to be too pre 2012 where even during poor seasons under mcleish and Le guen you could still comfort yourself with thinking "we will get the cunts back next season".

Now everything is a project with a 2-3 year plan which was understandable in 2016 when we first arrived but the fact we are still here in 2024 after a title win and a European final with this same attitude is alarming . They have had two what you can class as disastrous seasons in that two decades spell . The Mowbary year and the 55 season. Some hilarious and fantastic memories from both of course but reality is they were back either seriously challenging or winning the league within the next season.

[Tav's time is up.]

19 hours ago, Ibroxholm said:

You can argue about Tav not being good enough defensively and his performances dipping significantly from where they were but I’m not having the ‘bottler’ argument.  Time and time again, he has stood up and taken vital penalties for us and pretty well converted them all under the severest of pressure.  He’s no bottler.

Unless a good offer comes in for him over the summer, it would be stupid not to keep Tav (same with Goldson). However, they should be viewed as backup, phasing them out over the next season similar to what we did with Steve Davis.  We know they don’t have that bit extra to get us over the line, we need new blood in there.

His bottle isn't questioned on his own individual attacking stats and penalties 

it's down to the fact he is captain and has been captain during numerous season collapses and cup exits. Is it all down to him ? No . But as captain he's going to take a lot of the flack for these failures .

[“I don’t know if the belief is there”]

34 minutes ago, Jimfanciesthedude said:

Doesnt help that our team is made up of journeymen and non entities that need to rebuild their careers, that coupled with managers who dont know how to build that siege mentality is crippling us

He was a god awful footballer, but lego eater for them is exactly the type of player we need in terms of his mentality, he thought he would win every single game and played that way to the point the opposition feared him, and like it or not their current captain is the same

When walter assembled teams he bought skillful players but made sure we had absolutely swagger merchants to ingrain the "we're rangers, we're better than everyone else" attitude 

We actually dont have a single player worthy of that mantle anymore 

You seen that attitude be instilled and form in players as they came to Rangers back then 

Kevin Thompson is best example.Came to Ibrox with all the potential in the world and a good reputation from the start to his career at Hibs but even at that you saw him morph into someone who just fully got it and knew he was at Rangers and what was needed and expected. He admits even having to be put in his place by Smith a few times early doors to iron him out 

 

[We have nobody who are "Rangers men"]

The whole generation not knowing our standards is a real worry but if managed well from the top to bottom it can be eradicated and even used as motivation to further instill getting us back to who we really are 

Go back to 2000 and they cunts where in a similar position to where we are now with the youngsters of that time coming through knowing nothing but failure from them and domination from us. We could use our woes of the last decade to motivate our incoming signings and upcoming youth to get us back where we belong or continue to let us drag it down which Im worried is the attitude which has been allowed to fester a bit for too long at the club 

[Hearts Semi Final]

7 minutes ago, westenclosure2008 said:

Do you think that felt worse than watching the last 2 games? We’d already won promotion that year which was obviously the priority. 

Honestly I couldn't differ between the two if your taking initial reactions into account 

Both scenarios have been gutwrenching in their own way 

What is happening right now is more fresh obviously but can't deny that back then after that cup final against Hibs I wasn't walking around for weeks scunnered by what happened 

[Hearts Semi Final]

3 minutes ago, westenclosure2008 said:

Any successful team has to win their first trophy and those players that have been quoted in the past clearly liked the taste of it and had that winning mentality. Even the most optimistic fan on here would be hard pressed to convince anyone that this squad had the makings of a successful Rangers team. Winning the Scottish Cup would have no bearing on the success of this squad. 

I think a cup double will put Clement in a good position to sit with the board in the summer and say that's what I delivered with the shite inherited from Beale 

Back me with my decisions on who I want in and who I want out and lets see what I can deliver next season 

[Hearts Semi Final]

3 minutes ago, westenclosure2008 said:

That’s different. Of course you would celebrate that in the moment. I think people are taking my point the wrong way. I’m not wanting us to lose or anything I’m just not bothered either way if we win it or not. Would losing it in the 93rd minute be as painful as watching us throw away our chances in the league as we have in the last 2 games? Not a chance. 

We did in 2016 against Hibs and aye it was horrendous 

[Hearts Semi Final]

14 minutes ago, westenclosure2008 said:

Not necessarily. It didn’t work out that way for Gio did it? A European Final and a Scottish Cup didn’t drive us on to further success. It’s the players and managers that ultimately drive the Club forward. It doesn’t just become a habit because you win a cup and I don’t think winning this years Scottish Cup will have any bearing on our future success. 

With us and them more often than not it does 

Our issues on not capitalising on our recent success's are down to board mismanagement of not cashing in on assets and getting in the way of managers like Gio and Gerrards plans and targets to keep pushing on after 55 and Seville etc 

Numerous managers , players etc who have been with us and them  during successful periods for both clubs have talked about the importance of the first cup and how cups help reinforce the habit of winning and dominating 

Without the league cup win in 2011 we probably don't get that spark and belief which pushes us on to win the title 

[Hearts Semi Final]

7 minutes ago, westenclosure2008 said:

😂 That’s a good one.

You seem to be awfully sensitive about somebody not sharing your opinion. At this moment in time winning Cups means fuck all and is no consolation to our abysmal league record. That’s just my honest opinion. Nothing against people that don’t see it the same way and want to celebrate it as they see fit. 

Let me know if I get the gig 🤞🏻

So if we play Celtic 

And score a 93rd minute winner to win the cup ? How do you react ?

[Hearts Semi Final]

5 minutes ago, RoboBearToo said:

To me the Scottish Cup only really matters if it's part of a treble. Yes I always want us to everything we enter. I wouldn't lose any sleep over not winning any of the cups.

 

So if we hadn't won the League cup I wouldn't be too fussed about the Scottish cup.

But we did win the League cup, and so the treble is still on.

Obviously the league is going to take a bit of a miracle, but it is still on.

What is this attitude 

If we hadn't won the league cup we would be staring down the barrel of another trophyless season 

If we are playing Celtic at Hampden in May for the Scottish cup there is no one going to be sitting around the morning of that game going "och no fussed how this goes the day" just because we lost out on the league 

[Hearts Semi Final]

11 minutes ago, left winger said:

I remember being at Hampden in 1989 and we lost the final to them after winning the league and league cup and you’re telling me that we didn’t care. Fuck up.

One of the sorest defeats for me is still that 2019 league cup final against they cunts 

Only Seville really beats it for most gutted I have been after a game but different feelings of gutted if that makes sense 

How we never won that day still bugs me 

[Hearts Semi Final]

12 minutes ago, westenclosure2008 said:

So we are saying that it doesn’t matter what trophy just any trophy? That to me says that we don’t mind constantly being second in the league as long as we win something. The whole historical trophy haul doesn’t do anything for me. It’ll always be all about the league for me. Cups are bonuses, clearly in the minority but feel that should be the attitude of the club. I’d actually love it if we win the Cup and Clement came out after the game and said he couldn’t really care less about it as still feels like the season has been a failure. Did Alex Ferguson not do something along those lines? 

If we beat Celtic in the cup final . It would be massive 

Look at 2002 . When Lovernkrands put that ball in the net it sparked the belief over that summer that led to a treble the following season and probably one of the best days at Hampden for many a Rangers fan who was lucky enough to be there and witness it 

[Hearts Semi Final]

1 hour ago, BlueSuedeSambas said:

 

You wonder if this attitude of not caring about the cups is a culture cultivated by people watching too much of the Premier League where the big clubs seem to not prioritise the cups because they want to finish in the top four.

I think it's more an after effect of everything from 2012 onwards 

I'm not sure why but there is sections of the support that since then have held a bit of a weird attitude to the cup competitions.  I'm not sure if it's an attitude adopted out of our poor record in them while Celtic sweeped them up , excusing our poor domestic trophy return for decent showings in Europe or just a desperation to get back to winning regular league titles above all else  but it has seeped in anyway

The Scottish cup is a must now for the end of this season 

[Tav's time is up.]

I don't agree with the idea that in modern game a captain role isn't important . Particularly between us and them. Look at they cunts last two captains over last ten years and they have been vital to their success 

Listen to past players of ours talk about how important the leadership of Butcher , Gough and Ferguson etc was at vital stages of seasons when sleeves needed rolled up and results needed dug out

This is now the 4th or 5th total collapse in form that has sent a season off the rails under Tav's captaincy. Throw in the fact there has been 4 different managers for these slumps and the common denominator is the squads senior leaders. This is why the question of mentality and bottle keeps rearing its head , because they keep allowing it to happen.

[Done with the same old faces]

36 minutes ago, The Specky Forum Organiser said:

I've only ever heard venom like that from the stands at full time once and that was Progres away.

Tonight was the end of a good few Rangers players careers.

Heard it a few times to be fair in similar vein to tonight 

Tynecastle twice stands out . Once under Warburton when they beat us 4-1 and another under Gerrard when knocked out the cup just before COVID. 

The captain tonight was involved in both occasions and his pal at CB the later. Must be at least close to dozen times now both of them have faced the gauntlet of an angry Rangers support in their careers

[Tav's time is up.]

He's done 

[Tav's time is up.]

13 minutes ago, Jimfanciesthedude said:

What has he offered going forward consistently this season or seasons past

People do to him what they do to dessers, goldson etc, they see one good moment in a match and forget the other 90mins of absolute pish

People were defending tavs bottle after last weel saying "he took the pressure penalty" when in actual fact had he not shat the bed we might not have been 2 down at half time 

Over 90mins, when was the last time tav, goldson, etc played consistently well? Fucking months ago if that

I don't think I mentioned anything to do with Tavs performance last week and certainly didn't mention anything with his penalty excusing his shambolic performance for the rest of the game ?

I think on his day he can still offer us something going forward but preferably a new signing and actual right winger  in the summer who could produce similar numbers would be ideal . I think his days as our rightback and captain should be numbered