Ritchie Rich 27 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 hypothetical I know - but say the english voted us in at div2 (their 4 th tier), but Eufa tried to block it, don t you think CG would just take it to Brussells and let the European court decide? every company in the EU has the right to ply their trade anywhere within it - its written into the consitution. CG would win hands down - there shouldn't even be a debate about the fact whether we would win or not.EUFA can put rules in the way, they can set up obsticles and frown upon any club doing it by imposing punishment on the club or even the league they are entering, because thats in their remit to do- but they themselves cant stop a company selling its wares in another country.Can EUFA put rules in the way or impose fines? Would that not constitute a breach of the freedom to trade? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eosmhdo 1,879 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Trot on Scudamore Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC Eagle 4,888 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I assumed Rangers where looking to go down the English leagues, I've seen no statements from anyone say we should go into the EPL.Even the lower league clubs in england are members of the fa so is it only big teams this agreement is with?The majority of Championship and League One clubs have been against our participation. I didn't mention the EPL at all. The 'agreement' is with the FA. The clubs have much less say in that than you may think. County associations are still pretty strong (something that the FA and clubs are trying to change). The FA doesn't work in the same way as the SFA, it may be where the issue seems simpler than it really is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC Eagle 4,888 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Can EUFA put rules in the way or impose fines? Would that not constitute a breach of the freedom to trade?UEFA are based in Switzerland and can do as they wish as far as fines and rules etc are concerned. They are not compelled to allow a club into their competitions. You remember the ban on English clubs?? You think that the big clubs wouldn't have explored their options?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Fester 186 Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 The majority of Championship and League One clubs have been against our participation. I didn't mention the EPL at all. The 'agreement' is with the FA. The clubs have much less say in that than you may think. County associations are still pretty strong (something that the FA and clubs are trying to change). The FA doesn't work in the same way as the SFA, it may be where the issue seems simpler than it really is.We never hear the question, but we all know it is not the question we as a support would ask imho. I think it would be immoral not to work our way through the leagues and much as I would never try to second guess our support Id'e bet my house we would go with the long honorable road, Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 109,456 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 The majority of Championship and League One clubs have been against our participation. I didn't mention the EPL at all. The 'agreement' is with the FA. The clubs have much less say in that than you may think. County associations are still pretty strong (something that the FA and clubs are trying to change). The FA doesn't work in the same way as the SFA, it may be where the issue seems simpler than it really is.I never meant you mentioning the EPL, I meant the media running to the EPL guy despite us or the taigs not mentioning going there Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 109,456 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Eh because they are ScottishWho played in Englandhttp://www.burndenaces.co.uk/results/gretna.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekJohnstone 1,173 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Far better to leave the English leagues as it's a non-starter, they won't give up the golden goose for us. Much more realistic to watch what happens overseas with the Beneliga and Russian development as we have more chance of being invited than gate crashing their party. New league, new rules, new setup would make joining easier from Uefa point of view and the other clubs playing from the same song sheet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 109,456 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Far better to leave the English leagues as it's a non-starter, they won't give up the golden goose for us. Much more realistic to watch what happens overseas with the Beneliga and Russian development as we have more chance of being invited than gate crashing their party. New league, new rules, new setup would make joining easier from Uefa point of view and the other clubs playing from the same song sheet.I've got to agree with you here. It will be a European set up we are involved in. England won't happen at all.They have already spoke of trying to do deals with the airline companies to try and make it is affordable as possible for visiting fans Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky_ 893 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Scudamore is chairman of the Premiership.He has no jurisdiction over the Football League.The chairman of the Football League said in an interview there would be nothing stopping us making application to the football league (which woudl go to a vote) - other than holding membership elsewhere (we would have to gamble and resign from scottish football).What would Skiddamore's plan be if we won promotion through the leagues to the EPL? Sorry... you can't come in because you're not English or Welsh... ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry handsome 629 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 By invitation, only if they are blocking us by illegal means ie colour race etc can we challenge it. If it's purely because they dont want us there is nothing we can do, hang your hat on the euro set up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekJohnstone 1,173 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I've got to agree with you here. It will be a European set up we are involved in. England won't happen at all.They have already spoke of trying to do deals with the airline companies to try and make it is affordable as possible for visiting fansMuch easier to control 3000 fans with passports than 20000 with carry-outs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Scudamore is chairman of the Premiership.He has no jurisdiction over the Football League.The chairman of the Football League said in an interview there would be nothing stopping us making application to the football league (which woudl go to a vote) - other than holding membership elsewhere (we would have to gamble and resign from scottish football).What would Skiddamore's plan be if we won promotion through the leagues to the EPL? Sorry... you can't come in because you're not English or Welsh... ?and if it got to that stage he wouldn't bat an eyelid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 109,456 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Much easier to control 3000 fans with passports than 20000 with carry-outs. Add on an extra zero to the second number and your right haha Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bothwellbear 1,392 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I cant believe the amount of people who still argue this. The EPL do not want us. It is as simple as that. English football do not want us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,282 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I'd suggest that away fans in a Euro League would be few and far between, indeed I suspect the authorities would discourage fans from traveling regularly.You may even get situations where the club stays abroad to play a series of matches in difficult locations, i.e. Russia. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMB 14,167 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 If we were offered to start in League 2 we'd bite their hand off for it nevermind the EPL or Championship. Fact is we'd be very lucky to be offered that. Unfortunately we're stuck in the backwaters of Scottish football for the foreseeable future. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I cant believe the amount of people who still argue this. The EPL do not want us. It is as simple as that. English football do not want us.While you may be correct re the EPL, I would rather put the lower divisions to the test rather than take it as written. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanjo 26,339 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 if SKY say they want it...it'll happen. They are powerless but like to sound the kingmakers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bothwellbear 1,392 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 if SKY say they want it...it'll happen. They are powerless but like to sound the kingmakers.People have been saying that for the last decade and SKY have never said that they wanted the old firm in England. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mongolikecandy 418 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Did Scudamore not want EPL games played in Asia. Anyhow it won't happen ,what English chairman is going to vote for us in the chance of us costing his club a place in the premier further down the line.Turkeys voting for Xmas springs to mind Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 We wont be taking anyone to court.The SPL will go to court when they try to take our titles I know what you meant though lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 People have been saying that for the last decade and SKY have never said that they wanted the old firm in England.With the current drop in SPL viewing figures, it might only be a matter of time before SKY start to think about it mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senna 735 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 You want Berwick back then, Scudamore? Tosspot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLE SUPER WILBERT 2,475 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 The SPL will go to court when they try to take our titles I know what you meant though lolWell played Gogzy, well played. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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