theblueoysterbar 19,658 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 If he would have it, would Davie Weir be an option? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Its why on first hearing I was excited about Laudrup but upon reading more found out he's just a bystander etc all for PR stuff.I was told about the Dutch during my course and the thing that stood out for them and other typical blue blood Euro nations is that they believe they should have their very best coaches involved at Youth level whilst the Seniors are coached by results based coaches with great experience.We are learning here ( and im sure in Scotland as well) that we must have educators at club level. So first we must accept there is a problem - thats easy!Then we must find somone who is absolutly rigid on how we will play as a club. Its a bottom up thing. Look at Man U. Same formations (mostly) same structure and players that can drop in and out. Mostly local but its a way of playing Fergi has. Its right throughout Utd youth.We dont need to talk of Barca it's obvious. But we need a head person who has the capability to impliment a program from ground up.Guus Hiddink in 2006 started a football change in OZ and its been Dutch ever since. The Aussies and Scots styles and personalities / traits are similar to each other and the Dutch way sorta fits both. Its not poular but Advocaat could do it.Here in Scotland if your too small you don't get a chance. That has been proving to be wrong by the likes of Barca etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 If he would have it, would Davie Weir be an option?We're talking about having good attacking coaches why would you think of Davie weir? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewballsoz 17 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 We need to forget about everything other than development.From 10's to 13's its called Skill Acquisition Phase or (SAP) its not about attacking , defending, speed winning or losing. Its all about ball mastery and 1 v 1's and 2 v 2 all small sided stuff.Players are (ideally) developed in a low stress environment to ensure trained skills are accepted and demontrated by kids in a training game .Before we even think about this stuff we really have to work out what our club wants a a playing style. Once we know that then there should be a templte out there, Dutch, German whatever that suits us and when we understand this via importing a shit load of development staff who are only interested in education at coach level and kid level will we be able to see any long term changes.I do believe that there is no possibility of the SFA introducing massive changes like has happened in Australia and much earlier in Asian countries like Japan and Korea.But at club level we can do it but its stand alone stuff so when we find a good young scots lad we need to break him and teach him the Rangers way. Whatever that will be.This happens all over Europe and Sth America at the good clubs. For evidence of a club that started with a philosophy then changed to a more the "normal" club way just look at Ajax. Guess what?? they nearly went broke and are once again developing young players as they used to.Oh and her in OZ there is still a massive bias to big fast players rather than smaller more technical boys who are late developers etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Also we also need to get a grip of players who go out and get pished especially after such a shitebag performance we just saw on Saturday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblueoysterbar 19,658 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 We're talking about having good attacking coaches why would you think of Davie weir?Because I think the guy is nothing short of a total pro and I rate him very highly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Because I think the guy is nothing short of a total pro and I rate him very highly.Not attacking minded though. And he wouldn't take it anyway he's at Everton as a defensive coach. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewballsoz 17 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Before we look at either end of pitch we need to have the right people at MP delivering a programe from 10's to Youth to 18's - 20's.We have to have a factory creating our own production line of baby bears! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaffbear 4,096 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 I was thinking about this the other day.The biggest problem here is coaches are not good enough to produce talent.Why is it when you look at other countries they can produce outstanding talent every year yet we have 1 a decade coming through.Almost all European countries have at least 1 world class player yet we haven't produced 1 since god knows when. You watch the Dutch and Germans pass and move and the ball sticks to their feet yet you watch us and it bounces 5 feet away..we can't pass more than 10 yards ,hit a free kick or a corner and when we defend it's stick all 10 behind the ball so there is no outball.We have a state of the art training facility which means weather is not a hinderance yet we still have headless chickens not knowing how to track a 6ft 4 16stone Irishman who walks into the box and scores..he ain't hard to miss.When PLG arrived we started playing football and it was attractive but the bottom line was he got £2m to spend and zero extra on wages so he was limited to what he could bring in.We need proper coaches not mates of the manager..Look at what Swansea brought in and look how they play the game.Every player is comfortable on the ball and pass and move at pace..we get the ball and it bobbles,bounces and breaks away almost every time . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAFKA 545 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Fact is that we have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to rethink our football philosophy while not getting kicked all over Tynecastle or Fir Park every other week.Even the keenest grafters in the lower divisions will succumb to good football, well played and passing them off the park.We should be playing our sweetest football ever by the time we get back to the top tier but, under the current regime, this will not happen.Getting back up is not, in itself, enough.I remember us getting played off the park at Falkirk a couple of years back by Elvis's team of sixteen and seventeen year olds. They were brave in possesion, moved for each other and were always looking for the ball. We will never be like that under McCoist. The one player most suited to this is McLeod and even he catches the collective panic from team-mates when pressed by the opposition.McCoist must leave at the end of the season (his choice of signings alone merits that) - dignity and honour intact and with our great thanks for all he has done - and a new approach adopted with possesion at the heart of it.Like the rest of you, I will follow the club whatever happens but this opportunity must not be wasted. stu54 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Murray Park has been open 12 years now. Our return on investment leaves a lot to be desired and if CG wants to keep to his stated aim of wages being no more than 30% of turnover, we have to get better quality coming through. If we dont then, then we end up buying all the time and that renders Murray Park a pointless white elephant.There has to be a major focus in this area in order for us to progress in a sustainable fashion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JograBear 1,074 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Will take years to repair the damage done to our club. Will take years to repair the football side after Ally is finished. Awful manager. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Condescending, knee jerk pish. Look where we are and what has happened to us. Ally has done a remarkable job getting us even semi-respectable this season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 What really pisses me off is the people who go on about 'we should take this opportunity to rethink our football philosophy' and so on. What planet are these guys on? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JograBear 1,074 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 What really pisses me off is the people who go on about 'we should take this opportunity to rethink our football philosophy' and so on. What planet are these guys on?Whats wrong with that? You enjoy watching the long ball football and players playing well under their abilities? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Whats wrong with that? You enjoy watching the long ball football and players playing well under their abilities?It's delusional, fanciful, abstract crap is what's wrong with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 71,975 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Some share that opinion, some share the other.The manager said himself the football and effort is not good enough so.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianBacon 2,088 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Will take years to repair the damage done to our club. Will take years to repair the football side after Ally is finished. Awful manager.In a nutshell.Those who can't see that are the same ones who scream, "Ah, but he's a legend....didn't do walking away....blah-fucking-blah!"Player - brilliant. Manager - awful. djbroxybear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertent 2,081 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 It's delusional, fanciful, abstract crap is what's wrong with it.Where as your post tend to be just crap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JograBear 1,074 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 It's delusional, fanciful, abstract crap is what's wrong with it.Michael Laudrup disagrees. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbear 398 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 What really pisses me off is the people who go on about 'we should take this opportunity to rethink our football philosophy' and so on. What planet are these guys on?So what exactly is your soloution ? Are you quite happy to watch us producing more of the same pish once we eventually get back to the top division ? We have the opportunity to start from scratch with no real pressure to speak of . This would have been the ideal time for someone like LeGuen to lay foundations free from the shackles of having to compete against the so called top clubs in Scotland.We cant sign players so iMO we should be investing in coaching whether it be Dutch, German , French or Spanish. Football is a relatively simple game - Get ball, Keep ball Pass and Score. Clearly something is wrong in our setup. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 So what exactly is your soloution ? Are you quite happy to watch us producing more of the same pish once we eventually get back to the top division ? We have the opportunity to start from scratch with no real pressure to speak of . This would have been the ideal time for someone like LeGuen to lay foundations free from the shackles of having to compete against the so called top clubs in Scotland.We cant sign players so iMO we should be investing in coaching whether it be Dutch, German , French or Spanish. Football is a relatively simple game - Get ball, Keep ball Pass and Score. Clearly something is wrong in our setup.Why do I have to come up with a solution? I'm a supporter who posts on a message board. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Michael Laudrup disagrees.Did he tell you that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianBacon 2,088 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 So what exactly is your soloution ? Are you quite happy to watch us producing more of the same pish once we eventually get back to the top division ? We have the opportunity to start from scratch with no real pressure to speak of . This would have been the ideal time for someone like LeGuen to lay foundations free from the shackles of having to compete against the so called top clubs in Scotland.We cant sign players so iMO we should be investing in coaching whether it be Dutch, German , French or Spanish. Football is a relatively simple game - Get ball, Keep ball Pass and Score. Clearly something is wrong in our setup.Yes - we've got the wrong manager in situ.Lovely guy, legend on the pitch, everybody's pal....laugh-a-minute.....but could'nae run a menage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Where as your post tend to be just crap.That's kind of you, thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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