GOAT 30,449 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 ....again everycunt in the box. I despair sometimes, see if we do this on Sunday against Rovers, I'll lose the fucken plot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ps95v7 387 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 We can't defend corners as you state nothing learned from last season it seems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 55,165 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 The Rangers way of never being able to turn defence into attack Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 - Shocked - lose a goal and Goat starts a negative thread! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right_To_Censor 1,951 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Same mistakes being made at corners, goat points it out and you bp9 jump down his throat.Well done Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 77,237 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 This tactic is also used at youth level from under 13's upwards.Absolute stupidity.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummiesoot 16,211 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Walter started this crap and Ally is just carrying it on Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarkev 3,540 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 It makes no sense because it invites the opposition to pin you in, often (like last night) leads to more than one player going for the same ball and putting one another off and provides no outball for a quick counter attack. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 55,165 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 It makes no sense because it invites the opposition to pin you in, often (like last night) leads to more than one player going for the same ball and putting one another off and provides no outball for a quick counter attack.From playing at school level to amateurs every coach I had used to leave one or two up front. Tactically, it was essential defenders (me) knew where they were as that was where clearances were going. More often than not it relieved pressure, and as you say sometimes led to a counter attack.Not rocket science. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right_To_Censor 1,951 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 you always kept your pacey players up front ready for the break away Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarkev 3,540 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 From playing at school level to amateurs every coach I had used to leave one or two up front. Tactically, it was essential defenders (me) knew where they were as that was where clearances were going. More often than not it relieved pressure, and as you say sometimes led to a counter attack.Not rocket science.With my team we usually leave two players up whilst defending a corner, both of whom take up position on either flank at the half way line....often defenders will leave them unmarked and stay central which gives us as defenders an outball whilst if they do go and mark it leaves a massive gap in behind for a counter attack.....now that is just one example/benefit but you will never convince me that bringing everyone back for a corner doesn't just create more issues than it solves....it's almost an admission we don't know how to defend properly do hope to survive with sheer weight if numbers! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 The season hasn't started yet and already Ally is clueless. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarkev 3,540 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 The season hasn't started yet and already Ally is clueless.Well to be fair he's being doing it for 2 years and has cost us so many goals and denied us the chance to counter teams so not exactly unsubstantiated complaints.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Well to be fair he's being doing it for 2 years and has cost us so many goals and denied us the chance to counter teams so not exactly unsubstantiated complaints....The OP specifically referred to yesterday which was a pre-season friendly with many of the first XI missing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianb1547 3,774 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I agree with most that leaving 1 or 2 up front seems the better option...but have any Bears - who have done coaching badges - got any reasons why a team floods the box and has no-one forward? (personally, I think it takes 'building from the back' just too literally) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarkev 3,540 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 The OP specifically referred to yesterday which was a pre-season friendly with many of the first XI missing.With word "again" I think is fair to be taken as an indication he is talking about the constant policy ally has employed as manager if bringing everyone back for a corner which allows the opposition to pin you in and as exemplified by last night costs us goals with players getting in one another's way.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 With word "again" I think is fair to be taken as an indication he is talking about the constant policy ally has employed as manager if bringing everyone back for a corner which allows the opposition to pin you in and as exemplified by last night costs us goals with players getting in one another's way....Well, when all our players are available we'll almost certainly play with two up front so I can't see that system being utilised throughout the coming season. We could just wait and see, of course, but where's the fun in that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarkev 3,540 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Well, when all our players are available we'll almost certainly play with two up front so I can't see that system being utilised throughout the coming season. We could just wait and see, of course, but where's the fun in that?What's that got to do with the policy if bringing everyone back to defend a corner? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 What's that got to do with the policy if bringing everyone back to defend a corner?We'll probably leave at least 1, possibly 2, up front at corners I would imagine under that system. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarkev 3,540 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 We'll probably leave at least 1, possibly 2, up front at corners I would imagine under that system.I think you are missing the point here....we had 2 up top last night yet everyone was back....it's the way ally does it at corners no matter the personnel or formation... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 55,165 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Talking about a specific tactic used which most disagree with TW. You are the one to personalise it and generalise it. Who said he was "clueless".Why cant tactics be discussed without it being considered as a direct attack on ally Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummiesoot 16,211 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 It is not an attack on Ally but criticism of a system we have used since Walter returned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 77,237 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 The reason Rangers use the tactic is the more bodies in the box the less space there is.I see no use in players like Templeton, Mckay, shiels etc being back defending at corners, leave them up the park and let the other team worry about them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalfollower 1,543 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 The corner defending is mince. No reason at all to bring everyone back. I bet we're the only team in Scotland that does it aswell. Probably my only gripe at the moment is that dreadful tactic Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delamonty 992 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 No need to have everyone in the box... Where does the out ball go to? Back to the opposition is where. They can leave 2 or 3 players hovering about 20- 30 yards out to resume an attack.But the issue is.. WHY do we do it? No clue.. But I'm no manager Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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