calio 688 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Too much information, too late at night, I`ll need to wait till tomorrow before trying to understand any of it.Yet another leak of internal company documents is disappointing to say the least though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchieshearercaldow 22,158 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Indeed. They shouldn't be leaked all over the internet though. IF they are legitimate someone should be banished for it. I will wait and see the full accounts before I hit any panic buttons. One thing is for sure though.... the tarriers are obsessed with seeing our Club fail. They will stop at nothing and this wee leak will give them a hardon.The tims know their guaranteed money spinner will cease when we're back kicking their arse Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk and disorderly. 14,488 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 thats only till dec last year, surely the accounts we want are up to june no?They are essentially a monthly update to December last year. About 9 months old and by no means a true reflection of our current financial health. Who the fuck is leaking this though? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mor3los_1 3,672 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 The amount of documents dating back to 2010 from that account is scary. Everything from training schedules to letters to the SFA Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 109,111 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Run down on how this looks? Canae be arsed clicking taigy links and am at work and on a scaffold so is it bad enough I should just jump or no? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 109,111 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Craig whyte at the madam or getting someone to do it for him? Seems his style? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
16BlueSherbert90 19,224 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Regardless of it being internal, the fact it has still been leaked despite the age of it, is pretty poor craic....IF this is genuinely our accounts of course.Thorough investigation into this person needs to be made to find out exactly who this perp is. Surely this is illegal?Page 11 looks to have accounts Cashflow right up to June 2013?Not sure how that works out if it is dated January 2013?I know I shouldn't give this person hits, but curiousity has got the better of me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wearethepeople1 3,897 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 The last page has us 20odd million up then ends up with a figure of 19mil net debt, including share issue cash??This looks like a pile of pish to me Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennyarcade 42 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Who the fuck is ken olverman? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWAC 2,245 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Is it tarriers leaking the info though? It's from inside the club, first and foremost the leaks need to be found and the sources sacked and made public.It may not be the same leaks already seen, I'm sure ex directors like Ahmad would have been leaking other information.Indeed. They shouldn't be leaked all over the internet though. IF they are legitimate someone should be banished for it. I will wait and see the full accounts before I hit any panic buttons. One thing is for sure though.... the tarriers are obsessed with seeing our Club fail. They will stop at nothing and this wee leak will give them a hardon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 109,111 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 If they're our accounts are we being conned? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegecko 306 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 something about it just doesn't feel right to me. It may be an internal document with some fantasy figures added for good measure, but as I said it don't sit well Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_77 73 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 One thing for sure is if the year end position is as we are led to believe then there have been some serious departures from budget in the final two quarters. Any word on when we can expect to see the published accounts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,560 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 can admin change the thread title as it clearly isnt the soon to be accounts Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk and disorderly. 14,488 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Well the mole is still alive and well at the club. They are from December. Could be someone who has been booted out our Club since then. A current employee could leak more up to date figures. It could be an ex mole throwing a spanner into the works. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_77 73 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Well the mole is still alive and well at the club. Are they though? Why would they leak such an old document now, especially as there is nothing particular remarkable about these accounts.Would you not expect them to release something from June time which we are expecting to report an altogether less favourable position. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers#1 5,475 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Bollocks to it, am not clicking it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
showtime69 514 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 does everything in the figures quoted add up to what we were/have been told by the board/green with regards to finances? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummiesoot 16,007 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Who the fuck is ken olverman?Was he not the cfo under Shyte? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wearethepeople1 3,897 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 There's letters included from March/April this year...Yet it is dated 21 jan 2013Something is reeking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muirheadbear 1,483 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I'll tell you what. The nappy tugging lurkers on here must be loving some of the threads started today.This is another thread about Fakes. They should all be banned the moment thy appear on his forum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_77 73 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 does everything in the figures quoted add up to what we were/have been told by the board/green with regards to finances?I've never really listened to any of the shite that comes out that cunts mouth so I couldn't really comment on that.What they do show is us skipping nicely along in line with budget up until December 2012 and with £20m+ in the bank. What they don't show is what has happened in the six month period from January to June. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk and disorderly. 14,488 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 There's letters included from March/April this year...Really? I didn't read it all. Would take hours. Will need to analyse it in the morning. The mole(s) are out to fuck us up. That's for sure. Disgrace that we can't conduct our business without our enemies being privy to sensitive information. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
16BlueSherbert90 19,224 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 http://dearscotland.com/2012/05/17/the-rogues-who-ruined-rangers/I saw someone ask who Ken Olverman was....I don't know who this blogger is, so rather than give hits, I thought I would leave the link with this description on who he is....The Rogues Who Ruined Rangersby Billy WilliamsonThe Rogues Who Ruined RangersImagine you are the financial controller of a multi-million pound corporation. You discover that your new boss might have forged tax invoices for payments that were never made. What do you do?I’d like to think I’d call the cops. But if you’re Ken Olverman, the man in charge of counting the diminished pile of pennies at Ibrox, you’d do what your coffee mug says: Keep Calm and Carry On.Olverman’s oversight is just one of many astonishing failures of leadership documented in the Scottish Football Association’s “Note of Reasons” – the report produced by the disciplinary tribunal which handed Rangers multiple fines and a 12-month transfer ban.The sixty pages of the report (http://tinyurl.com/7wx7dp2) detail how Sir David Murray was desperate to sell the club, how the entire board knew Whyte wasn’t the man to sell to, and how they were proven right by his actions post-takeover.But not one of these experienced and highly-compensated executives spoke out. Some even encouraged the sale. So in no particular order, here is your parcel o’ rogues, bought and sold not with English gold, but with four years’ worth of season tickets, courtesy of Ticketus Ltd.Rogue one: Donald Muir, Director.Prior to the takeover, there was a “marked division of opinion” on the board about Whyte: “A number of directors remained extremely concerned and extremely sceptical about his good faith, status and standing… They had no evidence that he had sufficient funds to buy or run a football club such as Rangers FC.”Crucially, “other directors took a less critical view.” Which other directors? Donald Muir, for one, who was on the board at the request of Lloyds Bank. ”Through Mr Muir, the Board of Directors had been made aware that Lloyds were extremely enthusiastic about the potential purchase by Mr Craig Whyte of the MIHL majority shareholding.”Donald Muir was a director of Rangers, yet he was acting in the best interests of another company: Lloyds Bank. I’m a Rangers shareholder. I wonder if I can sue him?Rogue two: Martin Bain, Director and Chief Operating Officer.Bain commissioned a private investigation into Whyte and was “very concerned” at the findings: Whyte had a history of liquidating firms, though strangely it didn’t uncover Whyte’s seven-year director’s ban. So what did he do with this dynamite report? He showed it to his boss, despite “knowing Sir David Murray’s personal and individual approach to business matters he was apprehensive about raising his concerns with him and considered that there might be personal repercussions”. That’s a healthy relationship there, eh?Murray told Bain to shut up and back the Whyte bid. Bain, in his one display of spine, declined to do so, and “from the time of that meeting … Mr Bain’s hitherto close relationship with Sir David Murray was damaged.”But did he go public with his report, either directly or discreetly? No.Rogue three: Alistair Johnston, Chairman.Despite being “strongly opposed” to the Whyte sale – because he didn’t believe Whyte had any cash – what did the chairman of the board do? He “continued to engage in discussions with Mr Craig Whyte aimed at enhancing the terms of the share purchase agreement.” What he did NOT do was “raise or successfully maintain any substantial level of resistance nor public awareness of their very real concerns.”Sure, when the BBC cameras were rolling months after the takeover, Johnston was happy to talk. Too little, too late.Rogue four: Ken Olverman, Financial Controller of Rangers FC plc.In August 2011, Olverman was contacted by HMRC, who were verifying invoices provided to them by Ticketus showing large amounts of VAT paid by Rangers. Olverman had no knowledge of these VAT payments, and when he saw the invoices “he was of the view that it appeared as though ‘Clip Art’ computer processes had been involved in their creation… Having sight of the invoices confirmed his view even further that they had not been created within the finance office of Rangers FC.”That would worry me, untrained in the arts of financial control. So what did Olverman, a member of the august Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland do? Nothing: “He did not inform any of the current directors of Rangers FC of the matter.”The rogues register is longer still, and of course Sir David Murray and Craig Whyte are the prime scoundrels in this sorry tale.But reading through the tribunal’s report, seeing that even Greatest Living Ranger John Greig could and should have done so much more to raise the alarm, it’s clear that one group that could have made a difference were kept in the dark about all the dirty details. A group of people who do have the club’s best interests at heart: the fans.You might not care about Rangers, and that’s fair enough. But if nothing changes, next time the rogues might ruin your club.Billy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny_01 2,007 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I know this document looks real........but I would be very wary.........Charlotte...FAKES!!!!! No other document they have produced has been real........so beware !! Could be work of crazy obsessed nutter Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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