Paul Murray/Ronnie Esplin

[Young Bob 1,360]

And how quickly will you dismiss it's content? I would guess before you have read it.

You would be totally wrong. Whats Dingers got over Kerr these days?

[Bertent 2,081]

And how quickly will you dismiss it's content? I would guess before you have read it.

Well when they start talking about things within their mandate it may be worth paying attention, but even then I suspect it will be in line with what a few "office bearers" demand rather than anything to do with the folk they allegedly represent.

[Cherster Perry 1977 18]

You would be totally wrong. Whats Dingers got over Kerr these days?

Maybe they just agree. So crazy it could be true.

[Allanger 625]

He would not have found himself in a senior role with Deutsche Bank if he had nothing to offer. And whilst I'm neutral on Paul Murray himself - I'm inclined to think that the shareholders who want him in place, very obviously think he'll bring something positive to the party.

We'll see soon enough if they are right to support his appointment.

Deutsche Bank (XETRA: DBKGn.DE / NYSE: DB) today reported unaudited figures for the fourth quarter and full year 2008 in line with its pre-announcement on 14 January 2009.

For the full year 2008, the bank reported a net loss of EUR 3.9 billion and a loss before income taxes of EUR 5.7 billion. Diluted earnings per share were a negative EUR 7.61, compared to positive EUR 13.05 in 2007. Pre-tax return on average active equity, per the bank’s target definition, was negative 20%, versus positive 26% in the prior year. The Management Board and the Supervisory Board have recommended a dividend of 50 cents per share, compared to EUR 4.50 per share for 2007. The Tier 1 capital ratio, reported under Basel II, was 10.1% at the end of the year, compared to 8.6% at the end of the prior year (reported under Basel I). Tier 1 capital at the end of 2008, reported under Basel II, was EUR 31.1 billion, compared to EUR 28.3 billion at the end of 2007 (reported under Basel I).

For the fourth quarter 2008, the bank reported a net loss of EUR 4.8 billion, compared to net income of EUR 1.0 billion in the fourth quarter 2007. The bank reported a loss before income taxes of EUR 6.2 billion, versus income before income taxes of EUR 1.4 billion in the prior year quarter.

Dr. Josef Ackermann, Chairman of the Management Board, said:

“We are very disappointed at our fourth quarter result, and at the consequent full year net loss in 2008. Operating conditions in the quarter were completely unprecedented, and exposed some weaknesses in our business model. We therefore are repositioning our platform in some core businesses.”

[Big Al 55 9,252]

No but I expect a director of Rangers - executive or non - to be there on some kind of merit.

Fair enough. I'm more interested in how the club is run generally as opposed to becoming fixated by a single non-executive director.

Are the people running the club qualified to do so?

Are they running the club as well as it can be run?

Can someone else run it more efficiently?

I don't care who has invested what. The constant bickering about who has invested this and that is muddying the waters.

How much money anyone has invested is irrelevant with regards to who should be running the club. If Mather isn't the CEO he will still have his investment; who knows it may even be worth substantially more under the stewardship of someone with experience.

I don't at this point know for sure how well the club is being run, neither do any of us as far as I'm aware.

[RST 19]

Well when they start talking about things within their mandate it may be worth paying attention, but even then I suspect it will be in line with what a few "office bearers" demand rather than anything to do with the folk they allegedly represent.

Who are these 'office bearers' you speak of? Hint, there are four.

[ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895]

I'm getting told on twitter by another Rangers fan that Paul Murray is not on the board?

Does anyone know what the fuck is going on with Rangers these days.

Can anyone confirm that he's not on the board?

Because to tell you the truth i don't have a fucking clue anymore.

[North Rd 2,860]

While we are waiting.....dont you think Mini reminds you of Columbo in that pic when hes got his mac on?

[Blue and True 311]

Will you hear it with your head lodged up the Blue Knight collective arse?

No offence.

NONE TAKEN

If my ears are blocked Im sure some of the chaps on here will update me.

[8Ace 49]

No but I expect a director of Rangers - executive or non - to be there on some kind of merit.

So the mere possession of cash to invest is sufficient merit for a seat on the board at Rangers? In how many other institutions can you buy a job?

[cstamomusa 3,809]

While we are waiting.....dont you think Mini reminds you of Columbo in that pic when hes got his mac on?

When I saw that pic, my first thought was Craig Whyte clone.

[Edmiston Drive 3,846]

While we are waiting.....dont you think Mini reminds you of Columbo in that pic when hes got his mac on?

Don't be silly , looks like a failure. Columbo was good at his job.

[Big Al 55 9,252]

So did it not matter that Whyte never put a penny into the club?

don't you think its slightly different when there is a single owner?

[RFC Eagle 4,888]

Deutsche Bank (XETRA: DBKGn.DE / NYSE: DB) today reported unaudited figures for the fourth quarter and full year 2008 in line with its pre-announcement on 14 January 2009.

For the full year 2008, the bank reported a net loss of EUR 3.9 billion and a loss before income taxes of EUR 5.7 billion. Diluted earnings per share were a negative EUR 7.61, compared to positive EUR 13.05 in 2007. Pre-tax return on average active equity, per the bank’s target definition, was negative 20%, versus positive 26% in the prior year. The Management Board and the Supervisory Board have recommended a dividend of 50 cents per share, compared to EUR 4.50 per share for 2007. The Tier 1 capital ratio, reported under Basel II, was 10.1% at the end of the year, compared to 8.6% at the end of the prior year (reported under Basel I). Tier 1 capital at the end of 2008, reported under Basel II, was EUR 31.1 billion, compared to EUR 28.3 billion at the end of 2007 (reported under Basel I).

For the fourth quarter 2008, the bank reported a net loss of EUR 4.8 billion, compared to net income of EUR 1.0 billion in the fourth quarter 2007. The bank reported a loss before income taxes of EUR 6.2 billion, versus income before income taxes of EUR 1.4 billion in the prior year quarter.

Dr. Josef Ackermann, Chairman of the Management Board, said:

“We are very disappointed at our fourth quarter result, and at the consequent full year net loss in 2008. Operating conditions in the quarter were completely unprecedented, and exposed some weaknesses in our business model. We therefore are repositioning our platform in some core businesses.”

Was this the period, during which, he was tasked with raising £200 million by DB but only managed to raise £20 million?

[MosesMcNeil 1,664]

on the basis of what?

I don't know what your question is referring to.

[North Rd 2,860]

When I saw that pic, my first thought was Craig Whyte clone.

shit so he does......................Nah,,, noo way!

[Edmiston Drive 3,846]

When I saw that pic, my first thought was Craig Whyte clone.

Bloody hell, you never see the two of them together...............mini as in whyte appears ruins the Ltd Co............whyte as mini appears to rescue us....................quick you're in the States phone Pixar right now and get the deal signed up.

[Right_To_Censor 1,951]

While we're at it, can i get a tin of tartan paint, ta

[North Rd 2,860]

Don't be silly , looks like a failure. Columbo was good at his job.

We could have Prior as Ironside.......and Murray helping him as Columbo

[16BlueSherbert90 19,223]

I'm getting told on twitter by another Rangers fan that Paul Murray is not on the board?

Does anyone know what the fuck is going on with Rangers these days.

Can anyone confirm that he's not on the board?

Because to tell you the truth i don't have a fucking clue anymore.

According to the Stock Exchange, he is being included as one of the Non Executive Directors so I would assume this means he will be part of the board?

http://m.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/mobile/news/detail.html?announcementId=11699314

which you will find more talk of on this thread HERE

[Zappa 358]

As for his CV, I'm not so sure. In fact I would bet that it's not as strong as either of these individuals when it comes to specifically being a board member at Rangers.

I'm not sure because I honestly have no idea what all PM was actually involved in during his previous 4 year spell as a non-exec on our board. I would guess that comparing it to the likes of Stockbridge and Mather's short spells at the club would be very subjective and not easy comparisons to make at all.

[simplythebest 11,453]

.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> don't you think its slightly different when there is a single owner?

Yes, just playing devils advocate with you a bit though.

[North Rd 2,860]

Chris Jack ‏@Chris_Jack89 5m

McCall/Murray group: 'all directors, both existing and new, have to offer themselves up for re-election at a vote at the AGM'

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,550]

It's just a personal opinion based on the sort of experience and expertise that he'll have on his CV. I think if someone completely neutral on the subject of Paul Murray was conducting interviews for our non-exec director positions, then Paul Murray would stand a very good chance of being a successful candidate.

Until you seen his references and asked about the oldco

[Edmiston Drive 3,846]

I'm not sure because I honestly have no idea what all PM was actually involved in during his previous 4 year spell as a non-exec on our board. I would guess that comparing it to the likes of Stockbridge and Mather's short spells at the club would be very subjective and not easy comparisons to make at all.

Stockbrideg is very good at what he does, that's why Zeus headhunted him..................you remove that S yet.