What if we'd stuck with the youth?

[Rfc#1. 1,877]

I fucken hate 'what ifs.'

[ianferguson 2,619]

You can coach a young player but you can't give him ability and one of my biggest regrets is the demise of Barry mckay. I remember his impact in div 3 well and that was the last time I genuinely enjoyed a trip to Ibrox. No 17 year old is the finished article but has got it all wrong with mckays development and his lack of belief has robbed us of A highly talented young player. I know Ally has ideas about farming young players out to gain experience but how does it make sense to let them out to clubs in a higher league than we're already in? If they can cut it there then why sacrifice them for players like Templeton and sields who have no hunger for lower divisions. At the start of last season Mckay had a blinder at Ibrox and Ally said if he played like that he'd never be out the team yet dropped him for next game? He brought him back for pre season games where he performed well yet was dumped along with Gallagher ? My only hope is that a new manager will realise Mckays potential before it's too late.

[TMB 14,167]

I suspect any money that that would have saved Green and his cronies would have found away to take it out.

This is the nature of institutional investors. They put money in initally (which we've burnt threw in 2 years) and now they'll kick back and expect a return on their initial investment forever. If the club had a large portion of fan ownership then incomes could be recycled back in but that ship has sailed.

[gazza27 15,283]

Alexander

? Gasparatto ? Wallace

Aird McCulloch MacLeod McKay

Little Gallagher

only an experienced cb and a rb would've been required to win 3rd and 2nd div imo,we could then have added a couple more players for the championship sure we wouldn't have gone unbeaten but we would still have comfortably won they leagues and would be much healthier financially

That team would have been more than good enough to get us to the league we're in imo

[sammy cox 664]

Youth has never been given any chance at Rangers for years not just recently.When AM took over the team from Walter how many of the first team were produced from Murray Park. Dick Advocatt insisted in Murray Park being built.Perhaps his idea was to follow the same pattern as clubs like Ajax.but since it was opened it has never delivered its true potential.Whatever the reason,managers to frightened to take a chance seems to be my number one choice.If the talent isnt there after 13 years of being open someone must be asking the question WHY.WHY do boys teams have to pay to go and train there when it would make good sense to invite teams of all age groups to come to MP free of charge and who knows perhaps we could spot our next big thing.Then again you do need guys who can spot the talent in place as well.

[Drunk and disorderly. 14,476]

Funnily enough I've never heard Ally moan in a press conference about the board stopping him trying to build for the future with scouts and looking for the best young players.

He only moans that he wants to speak to the board/CEO about funds to buy more players.

While I will agree with you the board have no plan, if they did they would get of shot Ally.

Ally is on record as approaching the board(s) r.e. developing a scouting network on several occasions.

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,556]

Ally is on record as approaching the board(s) r.e. developing a scouting network on several occasions.

mind the last scouting network ally had a say in

Neil Murray and his recommendations like cribari, argyriou, stella

mccoist probably has a mate thats needing a job, hence ally wanting a scouting network set up

[sammy cox 664]

Surely we had a scouting system when Walter was there and AM was his no 2 but who did they scout and who went on to become first team regulars.I remember Jordan Mcmillan.six years in the first team squad before he got his debut.6 years FFS and then had to stand by and watch such megastars as Whittaker and that other star Kirk Broadfoot keep him out the team.A fucking joker brought in from St Mirren by Walter and AM who wouldnt have got a game with anybody but us.No wonder the youth guys fucked off with such shit as that going on.

[TMB 14,167]

It's puzzling how our scouting works but I know there's a list somewhere. When we singed Darcheville and Ortiz it was said that they had been on that list for years and only became available or willing to move when we got them. Maybe Arteta was similar in the sense that we played PSG and Advocaat added him to that list and he was later picked up by Alex McLeish. It could be as simple as that. The big question would be, does anyone track these players in terms of progress and how they're developing after they've been added or do we just go on that one recommendation.

[Courtyard Bear 41,357]

Ally is on record as approaching the board(s) r.e. developing a scouting network on several occasions.

Maybe he should've thought about using some of that 7 mill a season wage on setting up a scouting network then instead of covering his arse in part time football leagues.

Imagine the network he could've had using 1mill of that 7mill each season.

[Drunk and disorderly. 14,476]

Maybe he should've thought about using some of that 7 mill a season wage on setting up a scouting network then instead of covering his arse in part time football leagues.

Imagine the network he could've had using 1mill of that 7mill each season.

Setting up a scouting network is the responsibility of the board of directors/ Director of Football. Things will hopefully start to develop once we hire a DOF. 2 years late mind you.

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

Aye Rangers fans turning up -50k at every game - until we lost two - then cue moaning, Ally this and that, why don't the board spend money etc etc big bonuses while all we have is kids and struggling and so on.

Thread in not only full of hindsight strategists but with hindsight success based on those strategies

[6superbarry6 14,159]

That team would have been more than good enough to get us to the league we're in imo

Definitely you can throw in Hutton,Telfer,Hemmings and Crawford etc who were also more than good enough for div3

[Smile 26,610]

We stupidly went for a record of not losing last year that meant nothing rather than blood the young players when the league was won early and let them gain valuable first team games.

Ally's short term thinking has got us where we are now.

[Dickie 12,905]

If what mccoist says is true that our youngsters aren't good enough for div 3 then surely we should cash in and sell Murray park to tesco

[TMB 14,167]

Look at how well Hearts have bounced back from Admin compared to us. It makes you wonder what Ally's been doing for the last 3-4 years.

[TMB 14,167]

Aye Rangers fans turning up -50k at every game - until we lost two - then cue moaning, Ally this and that, why don't the board spend money etc etc big bonuses while all we have is kids and struggling and so on.

Thread in not only full of hindsight strategists but with hindsight success based on those strategies

When we started in divison 3 the vast majority of Rangers fans wanted us to learn from our mistakes. No more overspending on mediocre, over the hill, journeymen. We wanted a new footballing philosophy that involved entertaining football with a real focus on scouting and youth development. It was clear from the outset that Ally didn't want to go down this route. Most fans would just have to resign themselves to the quick, easy, and expensive option Ally had decided to take instead. Now that it's blew up in Ally's face he's got nothing to fall back on, and no one else to blame. If only we had a manager that could see beyond the six inches in front of his face. Sadly, our next manager wont be afforded the time to develop.

[Drunk and disorderly. 14,476]

Look at how well Hearts have bounced back from Admin compared to us. It makes you wonder what Ally's been doing for the last 3-4 years.

Hertz weren't relegated to the bottom tier of Scottish football. Hardly comparable.

[BlueSuedeSambas 53,826]

Hertz weren't relegated to the bottom tier of Scottish football. Hardly comparable.

You're right, it's not comparable.

They had the sense to turn to a core of youths, let them earn experience and grow as a team together when they were still facing the best sides in the country on a weekly basis and we wouldn't even trust our youths to do it the fourth and third tier of Scottish football against some of the worst players in the country.

Here's another interesting tidbit too - Hearts had four players who played in the youth cup final loss to us in May in their squad on Saturday. We didn't have any players from that same game in our squad. And yet some people still wonder why our fans continually moan that we've made a roaring cunt of it?

[BigAmo'sThighs 848]

You're right, it's not comparable.

They had the sense to turn to a core of youths, let them earn experience and grow as a team together when they were still facing the best sides in the country on a weekly basis and we wouldn't even trust our youths to do it the fourth and third tier of Scottish football against some of the worst players in the country.

Here's another interesting tidbit too - Hearts had four players who played in the youth cup final loss to us in May in their squad on Saturday. We didn't have any players from that same game in our squad. And yet some people still wonder why our fans continually moan that we've made a roaring cunt of it?

[FlippinEck 3,707]

I've never got some of our baffling decisions when it comes to youth since going down. We signed the unknown Argyriou for right back and then loaned Mcausland out. We gave Stoney and Gasparotto a chance in the last (or one of the last) games of the Div 3 year and then they never made one appearance at all the season after. Both have since been loaned out. When you look at how well Cal Gallagher is doing you can't help but wonder he could have been doing a job for us.

[TMB 14,167]

Hertz weren't relegated to the bottom tier of Scottish football. Hardly comparable.

We've had 2 years to prepare for this divison, we're spending more money than everyone else in the Championsip combined, there's really no excuses anymore. We should've been building a side that could hit the top divison and push for a European spot at the first time of asking. Instead we're just rebuilding year by year. If you can't see what a failure Ally is as a manager you must be fucking blind.

[B1872 20,760]

I fucken hate 'what ifs.'

This!

It's living in a fantasy world and takes away from the reality!

[nachothelegend 1,932]

We've had 2 years to prepare for this divison, we're spending more money than everyone else in the Championsip combined, there's really no excuses anymore. We should've been building a side that could hit the top divison and push for a European spot at the first time of asking. Instead we're just rebuilding year by year. If you can't see what a failure Ally is as a manager you must be fucking blind.

Your waisting your time trying to convince Ally lovers.

Mcoist has proven without any doubt he is a terrible Manager and has made an utter complete fucking mess of our Club.

[NeoGeo7 10,536]

I've never got some of our baffling decisions when it comes to youth since going down. We signed the unknown Argyriou for right back and then loaned Mcausland out. We gave Stoney and Gasparotto a chance in the last (or one of the last) games of the Div 3 year and then they never made one appearance at all the season after. Both have since been loaned out. When you look at how well Cal Gallagher is doing you can't help but wonder he could have been doing a job for us.

The reason "our" baffling decisions have been made is because they aren't actually our decisions, they are the decisions of the man who seems oblivious to the long term damage he is doing to the club by not walking away.

Barrie McKay for me is the glaring mistake, he has pace and energy, play him and aird down the flanks with Macleod and law in the middle and templeton in his favoured position off the main striker and I think you've got a dangerous midfield.......naw lets play Macleod on the right and Steve smith on the left.