johanhentze 14,327 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 My opinion on man city scouts seems irrelevant. Unless we are potentially adding one to our wage list.Naive is you implying players at that level can't be criticised. They can, and I will if that's my opinion. You "dont rate him" which, to me, means that you think he is a terrible football player. Of course players can be criticised, but that aint the same as writing them off as bad players.I used the Man City example because we can hardly pass judgement on them as City are one of the extreme FM style scouting clubs. So I say its a relevant to this discussion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbr 364 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 There is no point using his time at Liverpool as a guide , for the last several years they have been using a transfer committee to over see all player recruitment , anyone who managed to catch the talksport program covering Brendan Rodgers sacking would have heard this , it's an absolute crazy system Liverpool use Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrono1 92 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Article in the ibroxnoise saying that it's a load a shite with small statement from Warburtons old club saying he ain't going nowhere having only joined them in may so we may hv to wait till its confirmed by club Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrono1 92 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Article in the ibroxnoise saying that it's a load a shite with small statement from Warburtons old club saying he ain't going nowhere having only joined them in may so we may hv to wait till its confirmed by club Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBear. 8,499 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 You "dont rate him" which, to me, means that you think he is a terrible football player. Of course players can be criticised, but that aint the same as writing them off as bad players.I used the Man City example because we can hardly pass judgement on them as City are one of the extreme FM style scouting clubs. So I say its a relevant to this discussion.I can't call professional players at that level a bad footballer? Of course I can. It's my right as a failed footballer to pass judgement on those living my dream.So how do we judge scouts now then? There must be some form of comparison, or judgement, before they get contracts. He's allegedly lined up for our chief scout position, so I checked his previous experience as chief scout. Seemed natural to me, but if you're saying that's wrong then fine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBear. 8,499 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 There is no point using his time at Liverpool as a guide , for the last several years they have been using a transfer committee to over see all player recruitment , anyone who managed to catch the talksport program covering Brendan Rodgers sacking would have heard this , it's an absolute crazy system Liverpool useWere they using this model in 2004-07? FSG didn't own Liverpool before 2010. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbr 364 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Were they using this model in 2004-07? FSG didn't own Liverpool before 2010.It was set up by Daniel Camoli during his time there , not 100% on that.Just checked and you are correct , he arrived in 2010 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBear. 8,499 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 It was set up by Daniel Camoli during his time there , not 100% on thatHe was appointed by FSG in 2010 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbr 364 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 He was appointed by FSG in 2010And Mcparland was only hired in 2009 by Benitez Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanhentze 14,327 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I can't call professional players at that level a bad footballer? Of course I can. It's my right as a failed footballer to pass judgement on those living my dream.So how do we judge scouts now then? There must be some form of comparison, or judgement, before they get contracts. He's allegedly lined up for our chief scout position, so I checked his previous experience as chief scout. Seemed natural to me, but if you're saying that's wrong then fine.I am a bad footballer.. Someone who has played at Arsenal, Juventus and Wolfsburg is not. In comparison to Messi, he might be, but to say outright that he is a bad footballer is just plain (playing, plane) stupid.How about judging him on his time at Brentford? A club with similar means to us and possibly bigger role to play? It is pretty obvious that a scout has a much bigger role to play at a club like Brentford as oppose to Liverpool. Resources dictate that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBear. 8,499 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 And Mcparland was only hired in 2009 by BenitezHaving worked at Bolton Wanderers as their general manager, McParland was also the chief scout at Liverpool between 2003 and 2007. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBear. 8,499 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I am a bad footballer.. Someone who has played at Arsenal, Juventus and Wolfsburg is not. In comparison to Messi, he might be, but to say outright that he is a bad footballer is just plain (playing, plane) stupid.How about judging him on his time at Brentford? A club with similar means to us and possibly bigger role to play? It is pretty obvious that a scout has a much bigger role to play at a club like Brentford as oppose to Liverpool. Resources dictate that.Was he chief scout at Brentford?I just, wrongfully it appears, assumed comparing the same role was more relevant. Apologies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanhentze 14,327 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Was he chief scout at Brentford?I just, wrongfully it appears, assumed comparing the same role was more relevant. Apologies.A sporting director, on the continent, is exactly that. A chief scout amongst other things. Apology accepted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I would like to see us bring George Adams back. That guy has some record of finding players. Can anyone copy and paste his wiki profile for me please so people can see how good his record is please?It's incredible the amount of players he's discovered. He used to work for us before as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC Eagle 4,888 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Article in the ibroxnoise saying that it's a load a shite with small statement from Warburtons old club saying he ain't going nowhere having only joined them in may so we may hv to wait till its confirmed by clubBrentford wouldn't be releasing that sort of statement as FMcP left at the same time as MW and DW. Burnley on the other hand? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbr 364 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Having worked at Bolton Wanderers as their general manager, McParland was also the chief scout at Liverpool between 2003 and 2007.Eduardo Macia was Liverpools chief scout then , Mcparland was the academy director , though he did take on some scouting responsibility , he didn't take over as head scout until 2009 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prso's headband 35,957 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Might have had a sketchy history at Liverpool but at Brentford? Outstanding. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,666 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 This forum honestly Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHaw 513 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 R.e his past; He maybe didn't find players that were good enough for Liverpool in the Barclay's Premier League; but let's be real here, he'll be scouring for talent, that can play at a high standard in the Scottish Championship/Premiership. Warburton knows him, and has worked with him, I trust in Mark Warburton. Well said mate, I have trusted Warbuton as soon as the 4th goal went in to the Hibs goalie and Easteroad, still trust him after the St. Johnstone game and I trust him with this appoitment as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 No one able to copy and paste George Adams wiki page for me please?For those that don't know him, you need to see this guys record of finding talent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrono1 92 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Brentford wouldn't be releasing that sort of statement as FMcP left at the same time as MW and Burnley on the other hand?Sorry my bad I got the club's mixed up my bad Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMotor 2,208 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Eduardo Macia was Liverpools chief scout then , Mcparland was the academy director , though he did take on some scouting responsibility , he didn't take over as head scout until 2009You've got it backwards with his jobs. McParland was Chief Scout at Liverpool from 2003 until 2007. Macia joined as Joint Chief Scout in June 2006.McParland then joined Bolton as General Manager in 2007, Chief Scout at Watford in 2008, then became Academy Director at Liverpool in 2009. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat 4,511 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Welcome to Ibrox Frank and the greatest club in the world.Here's hoping you help bring even more success to our magnificent club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markem 7,327 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 No one able to copy and paste George Adams wiki page for me please?For those that don't know him, you need to see this guys record of finding talent.Seems tough to find info on Mr Adams. Can's seem to see a wiki page Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbear 10,924 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Welcome to Ibrox Frank and the greatest club in the world.Here's hoping you help bring even more success to our magnificent club.Has he been appointed? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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