RFCRobertson 11,794 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 So most if not all of us are in agreement the defence needs work. Keeping Wallace and Tavernier exempt from this (although Tavernier isn't sound defensive wise) since they are fullbacks. Our centre backs have left some things to be desired. They have shown up to games and other times they've made bad mistakes. So for next season, what would you want to see done with Kiernan and Wilson? A new Centre half is needed, but would you rather having 2 new centre halves with K&W back up or a rotation between the two? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectre 1,663 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 4 new centre backs with Kiernan and Wilson sold. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,624 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Get rid of both, it's amateur hour with them would never have signed Wilson in the first place and Kiernan just can't defend. Hopefully, someone will take them, Hearts weren't slow on Dumping Wilson when they went up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siamthedanger 2,913 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Both of them should be replaced. Squad players maybe.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,526 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 They both struggled at times. They were both fantastic at times, especially the Celtic game. I think tbh our system leaves CB exposed. There will be more cover this year with JB or the lad Rossiter in the DM role. Think we need a commanding no nonsense CH for defending set pieces. A monster, but one who can also play a bit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudrup1984 25,100 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 If we can get two better centre backs i'd be delighted. However I wouldn't be against one of them plus a new centre half. I would also be very content with them both as squad players. I think they can both add value although in order for them to be 1st team regulars they must improve their consistency and eliminate stupid, basic, unnecessary errors. We should be always looking to get better players, in every single position and that means no ones place should ever be safe. As great as Wallace, Waghorn, Holt etc have been, and as much as I love them, if we can find better than them, we should always go for it. That's the only way we will improve and get to where we want to be. If you continue to sign better players, better than we have, or if those that are already here rise to the challenge and raise their game to another level, it will only increase our chances of achieving all our goals............. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,624 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 3 minutes ago, Rangers_no1 said: They didn't dump him, he refused to sign a new contract and we signed him for nothing! Aye, good wan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,624 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 5 minutes ago, Big Al II said: They both struggled at times. They were both fantastic at times, especially the Celtic game. I think tbh our system leaves CB exposed. There will be more cover this year with JB or the lad Rossiter in the DM role. Think we need a commanding no nonsense CH for defending set pieces. A monster, but one who can also play a bit. Could Crooks do this ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,526 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 1 minute ago, Smile said: Could Crooks do this ? Don't know enough about him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VladimirWeiss69 948 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 If we have them as the two centrebacks for next season, we simply wont win the title, the defence is the biggest cause for concern! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueboyG 5,491 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 I think they will be better with some protection in front of them, however I would rather sign a new CH to give them competition, I would also sign a right back and play Tav further forward. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Greig's Sideburns 177 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Crooks isn't a centre back for anyone about to suggest him Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam English Loyal 945 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Need a big lump of a CB. A big hoor way a face like a badly carved totem pole. Somebody that'll scare the dung outta opposing forwards. And a wee crafty c**t to play alongside him. The footballing equivalent of a bad tempered jack Russell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 77,643 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 both should be binned. Kiernans performance in cup final defied belief.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears r us 31,350 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Wilson with a big strong hard bastard along side. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
left winger 15,631 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Either, with a solid central defender beside them and a midfielder that can play the holding role. That will be plenty for next season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,569 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 1 hour ago, BlueboyG said: I think they will be better with some protection in front of them, however I would rather sign a new CH to give them competition, I would also sign a right back and play Tav further forward. If they were even half decent they wouldn't need protection. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlands plater 17,169 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 I think Wilson with the right man beside him could still do a job. The more I saw of Kiernan this season the less I was impressed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 If either are there .Then I think we can only hope for mid table . We need someone who can whip in a decent set play ,someone who can cause havoc in the oppositions box at set pieces .We need much more pace . We definitely need 2 dominant centre halves If these 2 are here .MW has either learned nothing or he is being hamstrung with King and Murray as to who we can sign . Wilson is poor for me .Kiernan is marginally better ..He has some brilliant games but he can have shockers like the final . Surely we need better in these positions Maybe a central defender who can chip in with few goals . I think we are still miles off at present but with these two ,we have no chance Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 1 hour ago, STEPPS BOY said: both should be binned. Kiernans performance in cup final defied belief.. Worst I've ever seen in a final Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wearethepeople72 1,859 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Neither in my view are good enough to be first team starters. Could make the argument that one perhaps could be, if a more commanding, experienced CB is next to them, but that would be a gamble. Think we need better quality if we want to challenge them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prso's headband 36,831 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Sadly Kiernan should be the back up option. They are both so different. Kiernan is a big physical player and tries his best every game. Evidently bar the cellic game his best isn't good enough on a consistent level. Danny Wilson lacks concentration when playing the lesser teams and had the attitude that he had played at this level before so he didn't need to do as much. He stepped it up in the big games this season and his experience will play a huge part next season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
googglebot 4,743 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 21 minutes ago, Prso's headband said: Sadly Kiernan should be the back up option. They are both so different. Kiernan is a big physical player and tries his best every game. Evidently bar the cellic game his best isn't good enough on a consistent level. Danny Wilson lacks concentration when playing the lesser teams and had the attitude that he had played at this level before so he didn't need to do as much. He stepped it up in the big games this season and his experience will play a huge part next season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mailman 330 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Blue Avenger said: If they were even half decent they wouldn't need protection. You ever seen Barcelona playing without Busquets , even the best defenders need protecting Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,569 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 54 minutes ago, Prso's headband said: Sadly Kiernan should be the back up option. They are both so different. Kiernan is a big physical player and tries his best every game. Evidently bar the cellic game his best isn't good enough on a consistent level. Danny Wilson lacks concentration when playing the lesser teams and had the attitude that he had played at this level before so he didn't need to do as much. He stepped it up in the big games this season and his experience will play a huge part next season. His influence would mean we don't take the title. Slow as a week in the jail. Poor positional sense, Hopeless in the air, no physical presence. He is mince. Don't know who is the worst of the two, with them being as bad as one another Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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