Champions League 20/21

[Dennis Reynolds 1,329]

1 minute ago, murzo said:

So the guy that’s not white , wearing a red T-shirt with his arm in the air.  Nope, that’s not the white guy.

Sorry counting and directions not a strong point for you. 

[British_Empire 9,648]

1 minute ago, murzo said:

So the guy that’s not white , wearing a red T-shirt with his arm in the air.  Nope, that’s not the white guy.

 brilliant ... the identification maestro enabler, can't even use his own logic to identify whitey using his own strict criteria and with all the time in the world to do so but wants to blame a Romanian 4th official  

[Howsitgoing 4,281]

Just now, Dennis Reynolds said:

Aaaandd you’ve went full tin foil helmet. 

Your in denial. He shouted to the 4th official in English “ you said the negro word” He didn’t. I hope the ref sues that offended little cretin for slander. 

[eejay the dj 31,964]

1 hour ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

Can you define "everything"? 

 

Every single thing ,they can see a way to highlight their cause .Even if there is a nothing there .It will like footballers taking a dive to win a penalty .Go for it and see if there’s any meat on the bones 

 

[British_Empire 9,648]

Just now, left winger said:

Yeah, he has made a mistake and, as I said, it may well have been very innocent -  we just don’t know - hopefully it was.

Would you not agree, though, that he must have had some guidance from UEFA via courses or just written communication regarding the ‘appropriate language’ to use? And hopefully, in the heat of the moment, he just forgot.

 

Yeah I would agree there's probably courses they go on in regards language to use, but whilst they won't say it's OK to refer to someone's skin colour (because of the can of worms that can open up) I'd be surprised if there's anything that says it's wrong to call a black/white person white or black. I don't think that would be in the framework of it.

But watch it happen now. 

However common sense needs to prevail here. I honestly think if the black individual in question is reasonable and it's put to him regards the translation issue and he wasn't getting called a negro then common sense would come to the fore. 

[eejay the dj 31,964]

1 hour ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

Fuck it, I would dare to dream if Rangers got Man U and Ole was still there....

I could easily see a world they half arsed the game and before they knew it Gerrard and co had tactically castrated that absolute tactical gonk Ole. 

Would love Man Utd .Best time ever to get them .Madrid or Man Utd for me 

Let’s have em 

[murzo 7,446]

2 minutes ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

Sorry counting and directions not a strong point for you. 

No problem with my direction or counting ya fud 

 

[Dennis Reynolds 1,329]

Just now, murzo said:

No problem with my direction or counting ya fud 

 

Well there is... 

[eejay the dj 31,964]

1 hour ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

Nah, probably not to be fair. 

There is always going to be goody goodies that want to be seen to doing the PC thing .Every fucking time 

It is as boring as fuck in football terms 

For me 

[eejay the dj 31,964]

34 minutes ago, British_Empire said:

No you never because people were moving about and it's not as simple as saying "3rd one in from the left" or whatever. 

Can you answer my other question now that if it's wrong to refer to them as black, then by your own logic Black Lives Matter and Black History Month is redundant - correct? 

People like you, I'll repeat, as enablers are the problem. 

Enablers .Sycophants .Drama queens  

[Howsitgoing 4,281]

24 minutes ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

You are creating a situation here that is not really that relevant, thank fuck, because that is a bollocks criteria to be using. 

Was it racist, christ knows people can define that in so many ways, was it entirely avoidable by just not referring to a coach as black guy, yes. 

When did the 4th official call him the English meaning of “negro”? 

[Bears 792]

The white guy is no. 6.

I'm a white guy.

You can call me the white guy if you ever see me in a group from different parts of the world. It doesn't bother me in the slightest but I can't speak for everyone else. You'd have to ask them. I might not have time to wait while you do so.

 

[murzo 7,446]

1 minute ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

Well there is... 

You said 7 in from left on back row. It’s a crowd of people not really in rows so all in the interpretation. The white guy is the white guy ffs, it’s how he’s identifiable.

[Bears 792]

That Dennis and Murzo cannot agree with counting a row of people below 10 maybe shows that other criteria are more effective, like the most obvious one...

[British_Empire 9,648]

Just now, eejay the dj said:

Enablers .Sycophants .Drama queens  

I probably get far too wrapped up in shite like this and BLM but it's something I feel strongly about when I see our freedoms being ripped away from us like this and the population being conditioned to comply with stuff that's just not right. 

The hypocrisy, brow beating, bullying and moving of the goalposts around it all is breath taking and the folk that buy into it and enable it/let it happen and pontificate about it I feel like I could honestly take a hammer to if give the chance.

The world has lost it's marbles and gone to fuck.

It's OK for folk from BLM, supporters of said, and BAME folk to talk about white priv, say in public not to use white owned businesses, John Barnes saying on his Twitter he hates white folk ... yet the minute a Romanian 4th official at a game, in the heat of the moment, when not knowing someone's name says the black man to point him out to the ref - then all hell breaks loose.

[TheKingObv 10,646]

It's not racist but it's pretty brainless and unprofessional.

If I was in a workplace and tried to identify and single someone out by a physical attribute then it would likely be deemed inappropriate and unprofessional.

That's all it is though - it isn't racist.

[left winger 14,168]

11 minutes ago, British_Empire said:

Yeah I would agree there's probably courses they go on in regards language to use, but whilst they won't say it's OK to refer to someone's skin colour (because of the can of worms that can open up) I'd be surprised if there's anything that says it's wrong to call a black/white person white or black. I don't think that would be in the framework of it.

But watch it happen now. 

However common sense needs to prevail here. I honestly think if the black individual in question is reasonable and it's put to him regards the translation issue and he wasn't getting called a negro then common sense would come to the fore. 

There probably is something that says it’s wrong to call people by their colour. But, yeah, common sense does need to prevail.

However, just to turn it round for a moment - we are assuming he wasn’t being called a negro, aren’t we? How do we know?

[British_Empire 9,648]

Just now, left winger said:

There probably is something that says it’s wrong to call people by their colour. But, yeah, common sense does need to prevail.

However, just to turn it round for a moment - we are assuming he wasn’t being called a negro, aren’t we? How do we know?

Because the word the 4th official used is something like Neguru (not the exact spelling but it's to that effect) which is Romanian for black person and when said it does sound like negro.

I think it's a safe assumption to be honest he was using that word since it translates in his own language rather than just saying negro. 

[eejay the dj 31,964]

4 minutes ago, British_Empire said:

I probably get far too wrapped up in shite like this and BLM but it's something I feel strongly about when I see our freedoms being ripped away from us like this and the population being conditioned to comply with stuff that's just not right. 

The hypocrisy, brow beating, bullying and moving of the goalposts around it all is breath taking and the folk that buy into it and enable it/let it happen and pontificate about it I feel like I could honestly take a hammer to if give the chance.

The world has lost it's marbles and gone to fuck.

It's OK for folk from BLM, supporters of said, and BAME folk to talk about white priv, say in public not to use white owned businesses, John Barnes saying on his Twitter he hates white folk ... yet the minute a Romanian 4th official at a game, in the heat of the moment, when not knowing someone's name says the black man to point him out to the ref - then all hell breaks loose.

I’m maybe not as passionate as you mate on this .Although I agree it’s getting well out of control 

It’s like a runaway bus and nothing is for stopping it now .

[JamieD 18,940]

• 18 minutes ago, Howsitgoing said:

  Your in denial. He shouted to the 4th official in English “ you said the negro word” He didn’t. I hope the ref sues that offended little cretin for slander. 

  He literally did. It's the same word. Negru is the Romanian word for black. Negro is the Spanish and Portuguese word for black. Hard to see how there's a case for slander.

[eejay the dj 31,964]

5 minutes ago, TheKingObv said:

It's not racist but it's pretty brainless and unprofessional.

If I was in a workplace and tried to identify and single someone out by a physical attribute then it would likely be deemed inappropriate and unprofessional.

That's all it is though - it isn't racist.

Brainless and unprofessional happens every second in life to be fair mate 

Players walking off the pitch is footballing anarchy .And should be absolutely hammered by UEFA 

When they grow a set of balls 

[British_Empire 9,648]

1 minute ago, JamieD said:

• He literally did. It's the same word. Negru is the Romanian word for black. Negro is the Spanish and Portuguese word for black. Hard to see how there's a case for slander.

I was actually gonna make the point earlier that in other instances it could be quite complex because the word Negro is used loads in Spanish because it just translates to black. I've been in bars in Spain called Negro something or other, there's Spanish music record labels with Negro in it ... even Spanish football players called Negro ... all in-offensive, but if a non-Spaniard or Portugese called a black person negro then yeah, it's easy to assume he's trying to be offensive because it's not his native language and he has no need to use it in that context.

[Howsitgoing 4,281]

9 minutes ago, JamieD said:

• He literally did. It's the same word. Negru is the Romanian word for black. Negro is the Spanish and Portuguese word for black. Hard to see how there's a case for slander.

The player mistook that word for its English meaning. Why didn’t he shout out to the 4th official it’s translated meaning i.e “why say black, you said black”

The player is now just trying to save face after miss translation allowed him to be offended due to that n word and this ref will have to be tarred a racist due to it. 

[JamieD 18,940]

2 minutes ago, British_Empire said:

I was actually gonna make the point earlier that in other instances it could be quite complex because the word Negro is used loads in Spanish because it just translates to black. I've been in bars in Spain called Negro something or other, there's Spanish music record labels with Negro in it ... even Spanish football players called Negro ... all in-offensive, but if a non-Spaniard or Portugese called a black person negro then yeah, it's easy to assume he's trying to be offensive because it's not his native language and he has no need to use it in that context.

Indeed.

There are two separate issues here. If the outrage is because the word he used to describe black people was similar to "negro" then that's one thing, the problem then is with the Romanian language, not with the assistant ref. But if the outrage is because he used the guy's colour to identify him then that's a separate issue and I can see both sides.

I don't think Webo or his colleagues would be offended if in the course of a normal conversation a white person described someone as "a black guy", but having someone striding over and saying "That black guy, send him off" and then getting a red card waved in your face is a different matter, especially if as far as you know the word used is widely considered to be outdated and offensive (to English speakers, which both Webo and Demba Ba are).

Might it have been good all round if they had had a calm conversation about it and the guy could explain himself? Sure. I can understand in the heat of the moment why that didn't happen though. It's a natural consequence of the divide and rule society we live in under liberal capitalism International socialism is the only solution.

[JamieD 18,940]

1 minute ago, Howsitgoing said:

The player mistook that word for its English meaning. Why didn’t he shout out to the 4th official it’s translated meaning i.e “why say black, you said black”

The player is now just trying to save face after miss translation allowed him to be offended due to that n word and this ref will have to be tarred a racist due to it. 

I don't understand what you mean. The English meaning is the same. It means black in Romanian, Spanish, Portuguese and English. It's just outdated in one of these languages.