Laudrupsleftfoot 12,257 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Thats not what he is debating if you read his tweets, he has, correctly i might add, highlighted that managers with worse or same records as himself were given longer in the job, and funnily enough they were white managers And tbh he probably has a bit of a point, they're aren't many successful black managers, and any that have tried and failed dont bounce around jobs like white managers do, down south its like a merry go round at times the way managers just move around clubs (not as much now but say a decade or two ago thats all they did down there) Perfect example, steve bruce has had 11 managerial jobs, best he's done is an FA cup runners up medal, 7 of they jobs his win % is below 40%, sunderland he was below 30% Paul ince, 6 managerial jobs, best he's done is the FL trophy and won league 2 iirc, his win % werent any worse than Bruce's, out of the 6 gigs 3 were below 40 and two of they ones were below 30% Compare how Bruce and Ince speak though. Which one sounds more insightful? Who is more likely to impress at an interview? For as good a player that he was, the odd time I've seen Ince do some punditry it's just fucking painful to watch. Not that they seem like they'd want to, but I reckon Ferdinand, Micah Richards or Jermaine Jenas wouldn't have a problem getting a managerial job. All three seem like fairly intelligent guys (for footballers) and speak very well. I will on the other hand be absolutely astounded if Ashley Cole has a successful career in management because the guy can't string a coherent sentence together, not because of his race. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 33,338 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, dummiesoot said: Paris is fantastic , especially if you can speak French It's funny. Going on what I'd heard I expected to love the city and be disappointed by the people. In actual fact it was the opposite. Found the people quite warm, but the city quite flat. Although the obvious set piece attractions were stunning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer93 15,484 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 7 hours ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Thats not what he is debating if you read his tweets, he has, correctly i might add, highlighted that managers with worse or same records as himself were given longer in the job, and funnily enough they were white managers And tbh he probably has a bit of a point, they're aren't many successful black managers, and any that have tried and failed dont bounce around jobs like white managers do, down south its like a merry go round at times the way managers just move around clubs (not as much now but say a decade or two ago thats all they did down there) Perfect example, steve bruce has had 11 managerial jobs, best he's done is an FA cup runners up medal, 7 of they jobs his win % is below 40%, sunderland he was below 30% Paul ince, 6 managerial jobs, best he's done is the FL trophy and won league 2 iirc, his win % werent any worse than Bruce's, out of the 6 gigs 3 were below 40 and two of they ones were below 30% Did Bruce not have an exceptional record in getting teams promoted? I'm sure that's what still makes him appealing to clubs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
72barca 1,788 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 7 hours ago, dummiesoot said: Paris is fantastic , especially if you can speak French Merde, tabernak ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets go 55 2,136 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 John Barnes interview on celtic Minded. Clown brings in groin brigade changing street names in Glasgow in support of BLM. a well educated group of left wing idealogists , trying to get praise in another case of look at us aren't we super and deflect from their own racism. Barnes reply shut down any further debate by asking more or less where have these bastions of morality been before George Floyd's death , answer nowhere. A new word ," Hibernaphobia" what the fuck , this was said when Barnes replied to the anti Irish Racism card being trotted out that there is no such thing as the Irish arent a race. What exactly is celtic Minded. Could it be a hatred of Protestants. Could it be a hatred of Jews. Could it be a hatred of Great Britain. Could it be a hatred of anything that is not Roman Catholic. Could it be a hatred of Rangers. Could it be that they condone the criminal acts committed by their club of choice. Think we all know the answer. KICK THEM OUT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic8ball 27,904 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Lets go 55 said: John Barnes interview on celtic Minded. Clown brings in groin brigade changing street names in Glasgow in support of BLM. a well educated group of left wing idealogists , trying to get praise in another case of look at us aren't we super and deflect from their own racism. Barnes reply shut down any further debate by asking more or less where have these bastions of morality been before George Floyd's death , answer nowhere. A new word ," Hibernaphobia" what the fuck , this was said when Barnes replied to the anti Irish Racism card being trotted out that there is no such thing as the Irish arent a race. What exactly is celtic Minded. Could it be a hatred of Protetants. Could it be a hatred of Jews. Could it be a hatred of Great Britain. Could it be a hatred of anything that is not Roman Catholic. Could it be a hatred of Rangers. Could it be that they condone the criminal acts committed by their club of choice. Think we all know the answer. KICK THEM OUT. celtic minded includes all of those .to be celtic minded you also need to be indoctrinated in one of their bigot factories Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 19 hours ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Thats not what he is debating if you read his tweets, he has, correctly i might add, highlighted that managers with worse or same records as himself were given longer in the job, and funnily enough they were white managers And tbh he probably has a bit of a point, they're aren't many successful black managers, and any that have tried and failed dont bounce around jobs like white managers do, down south its like a merry go round at times the way managers just move around clubs (not as much now but say a decade or two ago thats all they did down there) Perfect example, steve bruce has had 11 managerial jobs, best he's done is an FA cup runners up medal, 7 of they jobs his win % is below 40%, sunderland he was below 30% Paul ince, 6 managerial jobs, best he's done is the FL trophy and won league 2 iirc, his win % werent any worse than Bruce's, out of the 6 gigs 3 were below 40 and two of they ones were below 30% if you are good enough for the job and improve the team it doesn't matter a fuck what your colour of nationality is. If you're shit and black you're just a shit manager, there are plenty of shit white ones too so racial equality is maintained. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hume 13,873 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Lets go 55 said: John Barnes interview on celtic Minded. Clown brings in groin brigade changing street names in Glasgow in support of BLM. a well educated group of left wing idealogists , trying to get praise in another case of look at us aren't we super and deflect from their own racism. Barnes reply shut down any further debate by asking more or less where have these bastions of morality been before George Floyd's death , answer nowhere. A new word ," Hibernaphobia" what the fuck , this was said when Barnes replied to the anti Irish Racism card being trotted out that there is no such thing as the Irish arent a race. What exactly is celtic Minded. Could it be a hatred of Protetants. Could it be a hatred of Jews. Could it be a hatred of Great Britain. Could it be a hatred of anything that is not Roman Catholic. Could it be a hatred of Rangers. Could it be that they condone the criminal acts committed by their club of choice. Think we all know the answer. KICK THEM OUT. One of the best posts ever mate ....... all one liners that describe the "Hibernians" to a T .... who suffer from all the evil traits the human race is subject to ...... you only forgot to say that this is all due to them ... to a man ... suffering from extreme self loathing .... they just can't help themselves in their pursuit of eternal victimhood. 🇬🇧 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,619 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Malvern said: if you are good enough for the job and improve the team it doesn't matter a fuck what your colour of nationality is. If you're shit and black you're just a shit manager, there are plenty of shit white ones too so racial equality is maintained. Aye but as barnes has implied, shit white managers seem to get longer in jobs and more job opportunities, and there is a bit of evidence towards that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Aye but as barnes has implied, shit white managers seem to get longer in jobs and more job opportunities, and there is a bit of evidence towards that Shit load more qualified white managers than ethnic minority ones in this country. How do Indians or Pakistani do on the list? I am not buying the "you're fired 'cause your black routine", next we will get BMM (Black Managers Matter). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,619 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Malvern said: Shit load more qualified white managers than ethnic minority ones in this country. How do Indians or Pakistani do on the list? I am not buying the "you're fired 'cause your black routine", next we will get BMM (Black Managers Matter). The number of ethnic minority managers isnt the issue he debates, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 21 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said: The number of ethnic minority managers isnt the issue he debates, He isn't debating anything, he is saying I got fired as I am black and I say he got fired as he was shit. Take whatever racial connotation you want. Maybe he can go back to singing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,619 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, Malvern said: He isn't debating anything, he is saying I got fired as I am black and I say he got fired as he was shit. Take whatever racial connotation you want. Maybe he can go back to singing... He isn't saying he got fired for being black, he admits results weren't good, the racial part comes from him getting less time in the job than white managers who had similar records as he did Wether he's right or not we'll never know as the celtic boars would never admit it (theres a fucking surprise) but it does allow debate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said: He isn't saying he got fired for being black, he admits results weren't good, the racial part comes from him getting less time in the job than white managers who had similar records as he did Wether he's right or not we'll never know as the celtic boars would never admit it (theres a fucking surprise) but it does allow debate So race does come into it, it's alright I know the answer, in a club like Rotherham when you get shit results it is expected, as hard for me to admit at the scum you will not get that latitude due to the demands of the fans. Basically he is a shit manager. As Michael said "It don't matter if you're black or white" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finny 6,159 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 On 12/06/2020 at 17:49, Jimbeamjunior said: Thats not what he is debating if you read his tweets, he has, correctly i might add, highlighted that managers with worse or same records as himself were given longer in the job, and funnily enough they were white managers And tbh he probably has a bit of a point, they're aren't many successful black managers, and any that have tried and failed dont bounce around jobs like white managers do, down south its like a merry go round at times the way managers just move around clubs (not as much now but say a decade or two ago thats all they did down there) Perfect example, steve bruce has had 11 managerial jobs, best he's done is an FA cup runners up medal, 7 of they jobs his win % is below 40%, sunderland he was below 30% Paul ince, 6 managerial jobs, best he's done is the FL trophy and won league 2 iirc, his win % werent any worse than Bruce's, out of the 6 gigs 3 were below 40 and two of they ones were below 30% I think you're forgetting paul ince is a knob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,630 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 9 hours ago, Malvern said: Shit load more qualified white managers than ethnic minority ones in this country. How do Indians or Pakistani do on the list? I am not buying the "you're fired 'cause your black routine", next we will get BMM (Black Managers Matter). This is a massive oversimplification of the point being made. The discussion isn’t about overt, explicit racism; it’s about unconscious bias. That black managers may be sacked at a time where a white manager would be given another game, or that black managers are more quickly written off as failures vs white managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 38 minutes ago, Creampuff said: This is a massive oversimplification of the point being made. The discussion isn’t about overt, explicit racism; it’s about unconscious bias. That black managers may be sacked at a time where a white manager would be given another game, or that black managers are more quickly written off as failures vs white managers. You can prove the unconscious bias, I could see he was a shit manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic8ball 27,904 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Malvern said: You can prove the unconscious bias, I could see he was a shit manager. Opens a whole different can of worms ,Black managers then need to be allowed more time because if they don’t get it ,the race card gets played ,Which in turn makes it more difficult to get employment because if it goes wrong they become harder to sack 😳 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,619 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Finny said: I think you're forgetting paul ince is a knob. So are a number of white managers, they still get jobs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,619 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Malvern said: You can prove the unconscious bias, I could see he was a shit manager. No one will deny he was a shit manager, but shit white managers get longer in the jobs as he correctly pointed out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, magic8ball said: Opens a whole different can of worms ,Black managers then need to be allowed more time because if they don’t get it ,the race card gets played ,Which in turn makes it more difficult to get employment because if it goes wrong they become harder to sack 😳 So the same as fenians then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said: No one will deny he was a shit manager, but shit white managers get longer in the jobs as he correctly pointed out How many white managers have you checked to see if he was unjustly sacked? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic8ball 27,904 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, Malvern said: So the same as fenians then. Same with all perceived discrimination Who knows white male heterosexuals who don’t come from a minority religion might one day get similar treatment 😀 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,619 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, Malvern said: How many white managers have you checked to see if he was unjustly sacked? Well the one he compared himself to is lou macari Macari got more games, yet barnes had almost double the win % So why did the tarrier fans and board turn on him quicker than macari? In fact, barnes had a better win % than all tarrier managers of recent times other than temp managers until MoN took over, he had a better record than jansen, venglos, etc The fans definitely turned on barnes quicker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 53 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Well the one he compared himself to is lou macari Macari got more games, yet barnes had almost double the win % So why did the tarrier fans and board turn on him quicker than macari? In fact, barnes had a better win % than all tarrier managers of recent times other than temp managers until MoN took over, he had a better record than jansen, venglos, etc The fans definitely turned on barnes quicker So their fans are the ones wanting him removed for not performing, I don't care. Doesn't mean barnes was sacked cause he was black. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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