We need to have a serious conversation about Tav

[BlueSuedeSambas 53,924]

9 minutes ago, Smile said:

Had a very good end of season but by then the trophies had all be handed out to the filth. 

We seem to happy clap through seasons while they pick up trebles I blame the new age supporter.

Such a lazy take IMO considering that last season our support literally hounded out a manager who led us to a major European final and won a trophy a mere six months earlier and there’s already a decent section of our support who want the guy who replaced him out the door already.

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,815]

18 minutes ago, Smile said:

Had a very good end of season but by then the trophies had all be handed out to the filth. 

We seem to happy clap through seasons while they pick up trebles I blame the new age supporter.

Another edit.

Wonder if you read any 'blocked' posts that irked you mate 😂

Edit: show me one poster who is happy clapping, whatever that is, and happy with everything everything 1st team and Beale related right now.

Cos I don't think there's 1, I reckon you're talking bollox again 😁

[Smile 26,610]

1 minute ago, BlueSuedeSambas said:

Such a lazy take IMO considering that last season our support literally hounded out a manager who led us to a major European final and won a trophy a mere six months earlier and there’s already a decent section of our support who want the guy who replaced him out the door already.

But it's my take like you are allowed yours.

I was a big supporter of Gio as I loved him as a player so I maybe backed him longer than I should have even though I saw the cracks namely the away form.

With Beale I just don't have that attachment and thought naming a coach with very little managerial experience who was failing at QPR was Ross Wilson last major fuck up I have seen nothing to convince me he knows what he's doing.

I can accept that you disagree with me that's not a problem for me.

[The Dude 20,026]

20 minutes ago, Smile said:

Had a very good end of season but by then the trophies had all be handed out to the filth. 

We seem to happy clap through seasons while they pick up trebles I blame the new age supporter.

We’re just missing ‘the clique’ for a full house in Smile bingo. 

[OrangeRab 2,780]

16 minutes ago, Loyal72 said:

All that says to me is he plays better when the pressure is off. Not good for a Rangers player.

His attacking stats have always been great, as someone else said if we could bring on specialised players at will for set pieces, he'd be that guy.

But we actually need a RB that can defend first and foremost. Tav's defensive stats have always been poor compared to his attacking, we're at a point where it matters now.

PSV for example targeted that area all night, Kilmarnock and even Servette done it too.

Everyone knows Tav can't defend.

Not sure if you watched the Morton game. But it was pretty brutal having Sterling play.

So think that’s bollocks. In a team where we’re extremely reliant on our full backs for width we absolutely need our full backs to attack.

[SPWF 8,279]

1 minute ago, The Dude said:

We’re just missing ‘the clique’ for a full house in Smile bingo. 

He’ll be along to call you a troll soon. 

[The Dude 20,026]

Just now, SPWF said:

He’ll be along to call you a troll soon. 

While insisting he has me on ignore. 

[Smile 26,610]

8 minutes ago, OrangeRab said:

Not sure if you watched the Morton game. But it was pretty brutal having Sterling play.

So think that’s bollocks. In a team where we’re extremely reliant on our full backs for width we absolutely need our full backs to attack.

I don't think Sterling's the answer either if Beale wants to play the way he needs to play  with the fullbacks being the creative outlet and getting up and down the park he has to get a younger clone of Tavernier I just do not get the Sterling signing.

I also do not get why he got Lammers in a striker to convert to a number ten at the cost of 3.5 million.

I guess someone will have the answers they could maybe also answer why Beale chased Danilo for months paid 6 million for him to miss out on our biggest game of the season.

[OrangeRab 2,780]

4 minutes ago, Smile said:

I don't think Sterling's the answer either if Beale wants to play the way he needs to play  with the fullbacks being the creative outlet and getting up and down the park he has to get a younger clone of Tavernier I just do not get the Sterling signing.

I also do not get why he got Lammers in a striker to convert to a number ten at the cost of 3.5 million.

Yeh early days and haven’t seen enough of him. But given his stats before he joined I thought it was a bit strange we were going for such a defensive minded full back in our system

[Loyal72 11,374]

10 minutes ago, OrangeRab said:

Not sure if you watched the Morton game. But it was pretty brutal having Sterling play.

So think that’s bollocks. In a team where we’re extremely reliant on our full backs for width we absolutely need our full backs to attack.

You think it's bollocks that a RB should be able to defend first and foremost?

Perhaps Sterling isn't the answer. But absolutely your RB should be able to clear our lines first and offer an overlap for our wingers midfielders when necessary.

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,815]

11 minutes ago, Loyal72 said:

You think it's bollocks that a RB should be able to defend first and foremost?

Perhaps Sterling isn't the answer. But absolutely your RB should be able to clear our lines first and offer an overlap for our wingers midfielders when necessary.

You're right, a full back should be able to defend. And overlap if necessary. But when they do as their key strength, they get nothing like the below returns last season, it's unrealistic to expect both tbh, or it would be happening all over the world and yet I rarely see similar.

Two full backs in the top 6.

And this seasons ...

 

[stuart1994 4,304]

1 hour ago, OrangeRab said:

Last season he was done but still won poty?

Fuck knows how he won it tbh. Should’ve been Tillman. 

[mitre_mouldmaster 21,509]

58 minutes ago, Loyal72 said:

All that says to me is he plays better when the pressure is off. Not good for a Rangers player.

His attacking stats have always been great, as someone else said if we could bring on specialised players at will for set pieces, he'd be that guy.

But we actually need a RB that can defend first and foremost. Tav's defensive stats have always been poor compared to his attacking, we're at a point where it matters now.

PSV for example targeted that area all night, Kilmarnock and even Servette done it too.

Everyone knows Tav can't defend.

Fucking mental thread.

Cunts have had it in for Tav for years.

He is a better player when not under pressure, yet is probably the main driving force when we go behind in key games like last year with his multiple goals on the old firm under massive pressure.

[The Dude 20,026]

1 minute ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

Fucking mental thread.

Cunts have had it in for Tav for years.

He is a better player when not under pressure, yet is probably the main driving force when we go behind in key games like last year with his multiple goals on the old firm under massive pressure.

I wonder how many of those insisting Tav is finished now have been saying for years that he should be replaced.

[The Archer 1,123]

1 hour ago, Smile said:

First few months of the season he was terrible but came good at the end of the season.

Tav has been good value for money and will be remembered as a legend but his good days are behind him.

Never a legend

[mitre_mouldmaster 21,509]

1 minute ago, The Archer said:

Never a legend

He already is, there is no denying it any more than you can deny the earth is round.

[ForeverAndEver 71,669]

28 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

Fucking mental thread.

Cunts have had it in for Tav for years.

He is a better player when not under pressure, yet is probably the main driving force when we go behind in key games like last year with his multiple goals on the old firm under massive pressure.

 4-0 game, he was fucking awful. Beale’s first OF, he gave away a goal and played his part in the other with pathetic defending. Final, he was pish. Semi final, he played his part in their goal by not being alert to his man. But he scored two goals when we lost, and a goal in a game where he cost us.

[mitre_mouldmaster 21,509]

4 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said:

 4-0 game, he was fucking awful. Beale’s first OF, he gave away a goal and played his part in the other with pathetic defending. Final, he was pish. Semi final, he played his part in their goal by not being alert to his man. But he scored two goals when we lost

It's amazing he is so bad under pressure that he finished top scorer (of the whole competition) in our run to the Europa final, getting in the team of the season.

Playing in European games and scoring against teams like Dortmund isn't pressure like playing against Ross county.

Absolute fucking nonsense.

[ForeverAndEver 71,669]

1 minute ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

It's amazing he is so bad under pressure that he finished top scorer (of the whole competition) in our run to the Europa final, getting in the team of the season.

Playing in European games and scoring against teams like Dortmund isn't pressure like playing against Ross county.

Absolute fucking nonsense.

Don’t know why you’re arguing about Europe  Your argument using Old Firms from last season was shite.

There’s considerably less pressure on you when you’re underdogs though 👍

[mitre_mouldmaster 21,509]

2 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said:

Don’t know why you’re arguing about Europe  Your argument using Old Firms from last season was shite.

There’s considerably less pressure on you when you’re underdogs though 👍

Don't know why I'm talking about Europe in a thread where Tav is getting written off as usual by folk on the back of not being able to handle the pressure of last night's European game?

Have a wee think about it...

[The Dude 20,026]

3 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said:

Don’t know why you’re arguing about Europe  Your argument using Old Firms from last season was shite.

There’s considerably less pressure on you when you’re underdogs though 👍

Haven’t we been ‘underdogs’ in most Old Firm games over the last decade or so?

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,815]

9 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said:

Don’t know why you’re arguing about Europe  Your argument using Old Firms from last season was shite.

There’s considerably less pressure on you when you’re underdogs though 👍

In moat recent OF games we have been underdogs 

[ForeverAndEver 71,669]

1 minute ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

Don't know why I'm talking about Europe in a thread where Tav is getting written off as usual by folk on the back of not being able to handle the pressure of last night's European game?

Have a wee think about it...

Your post mentioned nothing about Europe, which is why I solely mentioned the OF games m  

1 minute ago, The Dude said:

Haven’t we been ‘underdogs’ in most Old Firm games over the last decade or so?

In the fan’s eyes, no, which is where the pressure comes from.

2 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

In moat recent OF games we have been underdogs 

As above, not in the eyes on the fans. Which puts more pressure on players to win. 

[The Dude 20,026]

1 minute ago, ForeverAndEver said:

Your post mentioned nothing about Europe, which is why I solely mentioned the OF games m  

In the fan’s eyes, no, which is where the pressure comes from.

As above, not in the eyes on the fans. Which puts more pressure on players to win. 

Really? More often than not going into Old Firms there’s a substantial number of fans fearing the worst. can’t think of many games against them over the last decade where the support in general have been particularly confident we’re going to beat them. 

Surely then there’s more pressure then in games like Aberdeen, Livi etc where even a draw is a disaster.

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,815]

8 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said:

Your post mentioned nothing about Europe, which is why I solely mentioned the OF games m  

In the fan’s eyes, no, which is where the pressure comes from.

As above, not in the eyes on the fans. Which puts more pressure on players to win. 

Why not umderdogs in the fans eyes if it is everywhere else including bookies?

History, entitlement, delusion, blind faith? 

What is it that puts that pressure on players when fans expect more than they realistically should, and I'd imagine react negatively when it's not delivered?