It's disappointing, but an improvement

[The Godfather 71,893]

Improvement because Celt*c were below par and missed sitters yet still beat us with complete ease...

place is bizarre 

[sandyinroyalblue 16,478]

Improvement is competing with them and getting a result like Murty done last season,our youth coach btw with no previous managerial experience.

 

 

 

[bornabear 6,202]

I agree with OP.  Sure we are hurting, that's only natural, but he's right in so much of his post.

Most of that team have never had an old firm game and it showed at times and hopefully they will learn.

All posts are opinions after all, some of which you will agree with, others you won't.

[the goal machine 7,802]

2 minutes ago, SkylineBlue said:

Saying there is an improvement isn't saying that we're good enough yet or that we're happy to accept being beaten, it's simply acknowledging that we looked as if we're moving in the right direction against them today. I thought it was pretty obvious that there has been improvement. I don't understand why others can't see it.

Where was the improvement though? I mean we drew against them last season so not much of an improvement there. 

[cushynumber 25,178]

1 minute ago, K.A.I said:

But this is his team. 

It's the team he wanted.

He's said loads on record he got all his first picks.

He's said loads he was happy with his transfer business and is in a good place.

He said any shortfalls or injuries he would supplement with youth.

His team. His responsibility.

That's what everyone wanted to judge him on. His team. These are all his decisions.

But instead of holding him to his word, the excuses are out in force. 

Id say its mostly his team. Its definitely his responsibility. But I dont think sacking him is the answer, sorry.

 

[Cobham 1,569]

I've backed Pedro the whole way but since Murty got a 1-1 at their place we've basically sat back and watched them pump us. We don't get in their faces, we don't attack them, we seem shit scared to try and play against them. I don't want to watch us lose with a whimper every time we play the cunts. Pedro spoke a lot about signing 'men' in the summer, well I'm not seeing it, we're still being bullied. And let's not kid ourselves, they had another two gears if we managed to get back in the game. 

Toothless! Totally unacceptable for any Rangers team!

[bombaybadboy08 15,660]

That's like saying you were raped but it was better this time as there's no friction burns.

[Lothianbear 361]

Sorry i didnt see any improvement at all if they had made more of the chances they had it was another going over . we had poor performances from about half the team today , Gifting possesion on numerous occassions , getting caught offside on numerous occassions a goalkeeper who kicked the ball straight out the park on numerous occassions. Not good enough!

 

[JukeBoxJohn 3,060]

Just now, K.A.I said:

But this is his team. 

It's the team he wanted.

He's said loads on record he got all his first picks.

He's said loads he was happy with his transfer business and is in a good place.

He said any shortfalls or injuries he would supplement with youth.

His team. His responsibility.

That's what everyone wanted to judge him on. His team. These are all his decisions.

But instead of holding him to his word, the excuses are out in force. 

The deluded are now clutching at any straw they can find. It's embarrassing. How anyone can continue to back this dud is beyond me.

He arguably should've been gone after the 5-1 demolition last season. He DEFINITELY should've been gone after Progres Niederkorn. 

Pedro picks the team, tactics, signings, organises the training yet the product on the park is utter dog shite. The board are to blame for appointing him but as a so called professional football manager he's a consistent failure. Qatar is his level, a foreign Warburton. 

[Jam_piece 633]

11 minutes ago, K.A.I said:

WOW  this place

I wasn't happy at half-time.

We were in the game but we never looked like we had done enough to win it.

In fact this actually sums up some folk on here in a nutshell and is in line with their acceptance of Pedro ... the fact some are trying to make out if you weren't happy at half-time there's something wrong with you ... I suppose we have to be grateful for having Pedro too and just holding celtic to 0-0 at Ibrox at half-time ... wonderful. 

One thing I will agree with you on is the full-backs. It's been the weak spot for almost 2 seasons now and no effort made to fix it. Unforgivable. 

From cunts saying they werent going to turn up for fear of getting pumped, to match them at half time is no bad in my book. Am I happy? far from it. Anycunt thinking a sugar daddy that will take us where we want to be and wave a magic wand just like that is delusional. life doesn't work like that. 

[K.A.I 36,183]

Just now, cushynumber said:

Id say its mostly his team. Its definitely his responsibility. But I dont think sacking him is the answer, sorry.

 

No need to apologise you are entitled to your view even if I don't understand it. 

[SkylineBlue 23,351]

1 minute ago, K.A.I said:

In that case, then, getting beat 4-1 would have been OK because it's an improvement on 5-1 from the last time.

It depends on how you measure progress. That today was not progress. It was another reminder we are in the wrong hands from management, to players to the pricks in the directors box.

The score line isn't the only way to measure improvement. I felt that there we were genuinely dangerous against them in spells today, I didn't feel that at all last year. 

 

Again, I'm not saying we're not still a bit shite compared to them; we are. We're just less shite, in my opinion.

[Turnberry18 3,204]

We may have improved, but it's not something we can be pleased about; we are not good enough, and hopefully it is now a very short term thing. We need players who can win football matches under pressure, and in games where it counts. Right now we don't have this.

[K.A.I 36,183]

Just now, Jam_piece said:

From cunts saying they werent going to turn up for fear of getting pumped, to match them at half time is no bad in my book. Am I happy? far from it. Anycunt thinking a sugar daddy that will take us where we want to be and wave a magic wand just like that is delusional. life doesn't work like that. 

I never seen that to be fair, but a game lasts 90-minutes and we were pumped - I appreciate your point is regarding half-time, tho.

[graeme_4 34,527]

1 minute ago, K.A.I said:

But this is his team. 

It's the team he wanted.

He's said loads on record he got all his first picks.

He's said loads he was happy with his transfer business and is in a good place.

He said any shortfalls or injuries he would supplement with youth.

His team. His responsibility.

That's what everyone wanted to judge him on. His team. These are all his decisions.

But instead of holding him to his word, the excuses are out in force. 

A team isn't built in one window. It takes a number of windows, with incremental improvements. 

Were we great today? No. Is Pedro the man for 55? Don't think so. We're we an improvement on last time we faced them? Yes, IMO.

An incremental improvement. Had a number of decent chances, and an absolute stonewall penalty that again didn't go our way. 

Bottom line is we're miles behind them financially, and as a result don't have players as good as them. Ripping up and starting again every 6 to 12 months isn't the answer. We need to build long term. 

[BlueAvenger 10,240]

One win in 4 games at home.........fuckin improvement !!!!!

Fuckin depressing

[left winger 14,175]

15 minutes ago, RFCRobertson said:

Anyone wanting a new manager at this stage is a mongo, it'll set us back even further. 

I'd love a new manager at this point. One who can manage his team better, attract better players, spot bargains, adopt better tactics, etc, etc.

However, our board have neither the money, nor ability to get this manager. Therefore, we're stuck with Pedro and we just need to hope he gets better, and the team gets better. 

[JukeBoxJohn 3,060]

1 minute ago, cushynumber said:

Id say its mostly his team. Its definitely his responsibility. But I dont think sacking him is the answer, sorry.

 

Do you genuinely think he'll come good long term then? We need to delay the inevitable and punt him now. What good do you think will come from sticking with him?

[Blue Avenger 22,567]

It certainly was an improvement, but a few were simply rank.

I will say it again, whilst we have the vocal few who sing the praises of an imposter like Tav, we are are going nowhere.

Time the manager did come to his senses and drop this buffoon permanently.

[cushynumber 25,178]

2 minutes ago, K.A.I said:

No need to apologise you are entitled to your view even if I don't understand it. 

If we sack him, then we are in danger of turning into that which I most feared when we went down 7 years ago - leeds Utd. 16 managers in 9 years all desperately trying to fuck about with no money, impatient fans and a boardroom that have no backbone.

[Terry Hurlock Loyal 12,133]

I don't think it really was an improvement, if they had taken chances then they could have quite easily have been 5 or 6 goals for them.

[Blue Avenger 22,567]

Just now, cushynumber said:

If we sack him, then we are in danger of turning into that which I most feared when we went down 7 years ago - leeds Utd. 16 managers in 9 years all desperately trying to fuck about with no money, impatient fans and a boardroom that have no backbone.

Spot on with that, but it won't stop the Pedro haters.

[K.A.I 36,183]

Just now, graeme_4 said:

A team isn't built in one window. It takes a number of windows, with incremental improvements.

Were we great today? No. Is Pedro the man for 55? Don't think so. We're we an improvement on last time we faced them? Yes, IMO.

An incremental improvement. Had a number of decent chances, and an absolute stonewall penalty that again didn't go our way. 

Bottom line is we're miles behind them financially, and as a result don't have players as good as them. Ripping up and starting again every 6 to 12 months isn't the answer. We need to build long term. 

It's specifically in relation to people who said we need to see where we are come the celtic game/Halloween with his signings. Well here we are and now the goalposts are moving dramatically. 

Yes we need to build long term, but with the right person. I've asked this until I'm blue in the face and no-one really gives me a suitable response which is why keep the wrong person in charge for the sake of some phantom timeframe when something can be salvaged? unless you actually think he's the right man (which you admit yourself in that post you don't)

[K.A.I 36,183]

1 minute ago, cushynumber said:

If we sack him, then we are in danger of turning into that which I most feared when we went down 7 years ago - leeds Utd. 16 managers in 9 years all desperately trying to fuck about with no money, impatient fans and a boardroom that have no backbone.

So the alternative is keep the wrong person in charge anyway? he is the worst case scenario. 

[JukeBoxJohn 3,060]

4 minutes ago, graeme_4 said:

A team isn't built in one window. It takes a number of windows, with incremental improvements. 

Were we great today? No. Is Pedro the man for 55? Don't think so. We're we an improvement on last time we faced them? Yes, IMO.

An incremental improvement. Had a number of decent chances, and an absolute stonewall penalty that again didn't go our way. 

Bottom line is we're miles behind them financially, and as a result don't have players as good as them. Ripping up and starting again every 6 to 12 months isn't the answer. We need to build long term. 

Murty got his tactics spot on against the cunts though and got us a result (not saying Murty should be manager but it shows that it can be done with a bit of organisation and cutting out the bullshit). We've declined against them since this dud took over. Pedro has had 3 games against them since that draw and quite simply his overall inability as a football manager has seen us get dominated on three occasions.