bluenose_72 198 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 One thing's for sure, if we are to get anything from this game, we have to keep the ball. Our passing this season has been shocking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaltersGotStyle 160 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 No one will be offended but i think if we played a 4-4-2, for example, we would be beaten by a few as they have far better players than us middle to front. An extra midfield and hitting them on the break with weiss and miller would make the most sense to me...I would tend to agree. Last season Walter used the 4-5-1 tactic away from home and it arguably served us better than the 4-4-2 tactic we tried at home... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 People who are asking us to open up at old trafford and attack must have forgot last years CL....I don't get this argument myself mate.The only time I saw us 'open up and attack' during last year's campaign was when we bossed Stuttgart off their own park in the second half of the opening group game........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 No one will be offended but i think if we played a 4-4-2, for example, we would be beaten by a few as they have far better players than us middle to front. An extra midfield and hitting them on the break with weiss and miller would make the most sense to me...We don't need to play a 4-4-2, but we won't get a penny change out of them if we play a 5-5-0 or a 4-5-1 with no-one within shouting distance of Miller for 90 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralCartmanLee 313 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 I don't get this argument myself mate.The only time I saw us 'open up and attack' during last year's campaign was when we bossed Stuttgart off their own park in the second half of the opening group game........Playing a 4-5-1.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 Playing a 4-5-1....It was a proper 4-5-1 though. We had people up in support of Kenny Miller.Christ, I even saw Papac sneak into the back post to just mistime a header from a superb Rothen cross in open play.But you know as well as I do that we don't usually do it that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenose_72 198 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 We don't need to play a 4-4-2, but we won't get a penny change out of them if we play a 5-5-0 or a 4-5-1 with no-one within shouting distance of Miller for 90 minutes.That's when Weir lets us down. Everyone is scared to push up incase they leave him exposed at the back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralCartmanLee 313 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 We don't need to play a 4-4-2, but we won't get a penny change out of them if we play a 5-5-0 or a 4-5-1 with no-one within shouting distance of Miller for 90 minutes.So what would you play....As i said weiss should play and a support miller, i agree if he is totally isolated we wouldn't do anything but a 4-5-1 doesn't mean the forward is isolated if played correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 So what would you play....As i said weiss should play and a support miller, i agree if he is totally isolated we wouldn't do anything but a 4-5-1 doesn't mean the forward is isolated if played correctly.I'd play Weiss on whatever side Neville or O'Shea is on. He's quick, but Evra is like shit off a shovel.With that in mind, the usual back four protected by Lee and Edu. In front of them, a line of three with Naismith, Davis and Weiss behind Miller.I'd maybe be tempted to put Lafferty on the side with Evra as we need to consider all possibilities and he'd be a good 'outball', given that he's a foot taller than the wee Frenchman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilRFC 10 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 I hope we rise to the occasion for this one, cause if we play like we did on Saturday it'll be a long night, I'm confident of a 1-0 win though. I reckon it'll be 4-5-1 with Miller up top and we'll hit them on the break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenose_72 198 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 I'd play Weiss on whatever side Neville or O'Shea is on. He's quick, but Evra is like shit off a shovel.With that in mind, the usual back four protected by Lee and Edu. In front of them, a line of three with Naismith, Davis and Weiss behind Miller.I'd maybe be tempted to put Lafferty on the side with Evra as we need to consider all possibilities and he'd be a good 'outball', given that he's a foot taller than the wee Frenchman.Naismith could be a good outball. For a guy of his size, he is pretty good in the air. I'm sure he has been used in that sort of role before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott-RFC 308 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 I'd play Weiss on whatever side Neville or O'Shea is on. He's quick, but Evra is like shit off a shovel.With that in mind, the usual back four protected by Lee and Edu. In front of them, a line of three with Naismith, Davis and Weiss behind Miller.I'd maybe be tempted to put Lafferty on the side with Evra as we need to consider all possibilities and he'd be a good 'outball', given that he's a foot taller than the wee Frenchman.Id definitely go with that team, Lafferty is too much of a gamble in this kind of game, plus I think Evra would happily let him bring it down then take it off him. Also Naismith is better than him in the air.I think this Man Utd can be stifled, and Berbatov/Rooney can get easily frustrated if the defense is doing its job but the game wont finish 0-0. If we counter with conviction 1-1 is achievable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralCartmanLee 313 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 I'd play Weiss on whatever side Neville or O'Shea is on. He's quick, but Evra is like shit off a shovel.With that in mind, the usual back four protected by Lee and Edu. In front of them, a line of three with Naismith, Davis and Weiss behind Miller.I'd maybe be tempted to put Lafferty on the side with Evra as we need to consider all possibilities and he'd be a good 'outball', given that he's a foot taller than the wee Frenchman.Is that not a 4-5-1..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 Is that not a 4-5-1..... Oh aye, more or less.I've always enjoyed the 4-5-1 played properly, I've even thought we should go with it in the league. Most of the big teams play a version of it, but the one Smith often deploys in Europe is just utterly awful.If we could play it right, I'd honestly do that every week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 Another positive is that (and I can't believe I'm saying it) Kenny Miller looks like he only needs half a chance just now....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangeclement 570 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 IMO if we want to take anything from this game then Weir needs to be dropped , we can't afford to sit on the 18 yard line for 90 minutes while Kenny runs around trying to win the ball while our 5 midfielders chase shadows over the 70 yards of pitch exposed by our deep lying back 4 ....IMO of course and this is not having a go at Davie Weir Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangeclement 570 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 I'd play Weiss on whatever side Neville or O'Shea is on. He's quick, but Evra is like shit off a shovel.With that in mind, the usual back four protected by Lee and Edu. In front of them, a line of three with Naismith, Davis and Weiss behind Miller.I'd maybe be tempted to put Lafferty on the side with Evra as we need to consider all possibilities and he'd be a good 'outball', given that he's a foot taller than the wee Frenchman.And yet wee Evra would still win the header although fair play to the lad for his assist at the weekend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaltersGotStyle 160 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 I'd play Weiss on whatever side Neville or O'Shea is on. He's quick, but Evra is like shit off a shovel.With that in mind, the usual back four protected by Lee and Edu. In front of them, a line of three with Naismith, Davis and Weiss behind Miller.I'd maybe be tempted to put Lafferty on the side with Evra as we need to consider all possibilities and he'd be a good 'outball', given that he's a foot taller than the wee Frenchman.I agree we need to play Weiss on whatever side Evra is not on, my main concern is playing Weir against Rooney and whoever else they play up front. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenose_72 198 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 Another positive is that (and I can't believe I'm saying it) Kenny Miller looks like he only needs half a chance just now.......Goalscoring wise, surely the most in form striker in Britain? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelle1880 225 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 Tomorrow the whole world will see this, in the 94th minute after scoring the 0-1 from a corner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaltersGotStyle 160 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 Tomorrow the whole world will see this, in the 94th minute after scoring the 0-1 from a corner.I doubt it mate Boyd and Wilson don't play with big enough teams for the Champions League Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarcheVinny 1,003 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 i can see us doin sumthin like that, last minute a sclaff in to the bottom corner a la phil neville! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott-RFC 308 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 Man Utds home record in the CL group stages is pretty poor in recent yearsDraws with Aalborg, CSKA and Villarreal and a defeat by Besiktas in their last 6 gamesWe have to believe we can get something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 Does anyone think that we WON'T see Weiss start? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott-RFC 308 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 I think there might even be a verbal contract in place that Weiss has to play these games if fitIll be angry if he doesnt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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