BrizOz 1 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Not sure if this has been posted.Perhaps nothing new about a "mystery" surrounding McCoist's footballing judgement. http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/sport/tom_english_ally_mccoist_s_reputation_at_risk_over_guerra_1_2049753 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goal machine 7,810 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Joke of an article. Talking about whether McCoist's possible signing will be a failure whilst ignoring Lennon signing Bangura at £2.2m who has proven to be a massive success. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Criticising McCoist for Goianegra Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaltersGotStyle 160 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Tom English is a bitter little man.He seems to be very selective in his arguments here trying tirelessly to fit them into his own agenda. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goal machine 7,810 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Tom English is a bitter little man.He seems to be very selective in his arguments here trying tirelessly to fit them into his own agenda.His inclusion of Goian and Bocanegra, and omission of Bangura seems to suggest that he thinks a shite young (allegedly) player is better than a very good older player. Nonsensical. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaltersGotStyle 160 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Criticising McCoist for Goianegra All good teams need a mix of young and old - Mr English fails to give credit where credit is due.He fails to mention that Rangers have Wallace - 24Naismith - 25Auko - 22Gregg Wylde - 20John Fleck - 20Kyle Lafferty - 24Maurice Edu - 25 all involved in the first team, Ally has done well bringing in experience like Goianegra on a budget. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilko89 507 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Well that's the biggest crock of shite I have read for a while. What even possessed him to think, well Rangers are after a £2M rated player, if he's crap Ally will get the sack. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ready1873 3,896 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 What a ridiculous article. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Tom English has never wrote anything good about Rangers. Why is this cunt even allowed to write about us? it's the same pish all the time. This is why the lot of papers are going out of business. Same cunt, same pish story different day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamMunny 3,252 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 It's getting more and more blatant by the day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntled_bear 157 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I don't see a problem with the article, he does bring up some valid points.If we do indeed have money in this window to spend, we have to adopt the same strategy as we did with Jelavic. Sign a player that will improve and make us a profit down the line. So we can re-invest back into the squad.Bocanegra and Goian have been good additions, but are short gap options. On and off the park. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I don't see a problem with the article, he does bring up some valid points.If we do indeed have money in this window to spend, we have to adopt the same strategy as we did with Jelavic. Sign a player that will improve and make us a profit down the line. So we can re-invest back into the squad.Bocanegra and Goian have been good additions, but are short gap options. On and off the park.We might not sell them on again but, we can still get at least another few years out of them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right_To_Censor 1,951 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Agreed db, again it falls back to the main question that needs to be asked and that's about the youth set upScrapping the reserve league was a big fecking mistake Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilko89 507 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I don't see a problem with the article, he does bring up some valid points.If we do indeed have money in this window to spend, we have to adopt the same strategy as we did with Jelavic. Sign a player that will improve and make us a profit down the line. So we can re-invest back into the squad.Bocanegra and Goian have been good additions, but are short gap options. On and off the park.He seems to forget though about Hutton, Cuellar, Bougherra, Boumsong, Adam and soon, Jelavic. We know we are a selling club, just the way scottish football is now. But we dont need idiots like him to tell us! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntled_bear 157 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 We might not sell them on again but, we can still get at least another few years out of them?IMO both will have another season in them, before they start declining. Or we'll try to adapt the team to protect them similar to the approach we adopted for David Weir.In the long run we'll have to replace two centre backs with no profit made from either of them. That's what you get with short gap options. We have to start thinking long term, one short gap option is acceptable, but, when were plugging gaps all over, then it becomes a problem later down the line. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntled_bear 157 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Agreed db, again it falls back to the main question that needs to be asked and that's about the youth set upScrapping the reserve league was a big fecking mistakeScrapping the reserve league was a massive mistake, but. We could have used the loan option more. Take John Fleck for example. Yes, he's getting a run the now. But, he should have been out getting first team football long ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntled_bear 157 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 He seems to forget though about Hutton, Cuellar, Bougherra, Boumsong, Adam and soon, Jelavic. We know we are a selling club, just the way scottish football is now. But we dont need idiots like him to tell us!He's not talking about the past, he's talking about the future. He's asking the question... If we have money, why are we wasting it on older players with no sell on value for a short term fix.We don't need him telling us this, but. What we need is our club applying it. So far Ally McCoist doesn't seem to be doing it with his transfer policy.Dorin Goian 31Carlos Bocanegra 32Juan Manuel Ortiz 29Matt McKay 29Alejandro Bedoya 24Sone Aluko 22From a potential profit down the line stance, Aluko and Bedoya are the only two from Ally McCoist transfer policy so far. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaltersGotStyle 160 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 He's not talking about the past, he's talking about the future. He's asking the question... If we have money, why are we wasting it on older players with no sell on value for a short term fix.We don't need him telling us this, but. What we need is our club applying it. So far Ally McCoist doesn't seem to be doing it with his transfer policy.Dorin Goian 31Carlos Bocanegra 32Juan Manuel Ortiz 29Matt McKay 29Alejandro Bedoya 24Sone Aluko 22From a potential profit down the line stance, Aluko and Bedoya are the only two from Ally McCoist transfer policy so far.We have enough youngster with potential - Ally needed experience to help guide these players Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raligt 2,541 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Another deluded ex player like hateley. Hasn't a fucking clue. Do what youre good at and shut up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissg910 110 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 people are forgetting the biggest factor. good young players cost money, that we dont have.we paid 4mil for jela thats why hes good enough to sell for a profit.buying good young players to sell on for a profit is all well and good but you need to spend atleast a few mill on any youngster who is seen as a good prospect.dnt get me wrong there is a few gems out there for maybe 500k but they are few and far between.and tbh when u spend less than 1mil on a player are you really looking for a sell on profit? imo its not a factor until you start spending decent money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntled_bear 157 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 We have enough youngster with potential - Ally needed experience to help guide these playersExperience is gained by playing games. Are you trying to say the players that have been a integral part of us winning 3inarow wasn't enough? Ally McCoist had plenty of experience through out his squad, when he took over the reigns. Short gap options only end up in the long run, costing us money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntled_bear 157 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 people are forgetting the biggest factor. good young players cost money, that we dont have.we paid 4mil for jela thats why hes good enough to sell for a profit.buying good young players to sell on for a profit is all well and good but you need to spend atleast a few mill on any youngster who is seen as a good prospect.dnt get me wrong there is a few gems out there for maybe 500k but they are few and far between.and tbh when u spend less than 1mil on a player are you really looking for a sell on profit? imo its not a factor until you start spending decent money.That's the point of this article, "if" were spending out £2-3million on a player like Javi Guerra at 29 years old (30 this year). With next to no return on it down the line. Then Ally McCoist reputation is on the line, cause we have no error for mistakes due to our financial restraints. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissg910 110 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 That's the point of this article, "if" were spending out £2-3million on a player like Javi Guerra at 29 years old (30 this year). With next to no return on it down the line. Then Ally McCoist reputation is on the line, cause we have no error for mistakes due to our financial restraints.well i agree that if we spend 2-3mil on a player we cant afford for them to fail. but the fact he mentions goian n boca just show this clown up for what he is.spending less the 1mil on an older experianced player who will give you 2-3 good seasons is not a waste of money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theweebluenose 4,332 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Is it because we're not signing wonderkids who'll be worth 70 million next season like the mhanky mhob? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 72,397 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 In general terms £1-2.5 million for a proven goalscorer is pretty cheap. Strikers are generally thought to peak between 28-32 so it is possible we could get the best out of him. On the other hand for that money we could have got Goodwillie who is younger and already knew the Scottish game but we tried hard ball and ended up looking like armatures. Personally I wouldn't take the risk especially if this was all our budget as we have learned with Beattie it can be bad business, the lad linked with Celtic and ourselves for £500k would seem far the better option in financial terms but again that figure is just paper speculation and who knows what the actual figure would be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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