nvager 498 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 ESPN FC BLOGS Fractures in SPL as they pass the buck again? Posted by John Gow Recommend8Tweet10Email Lynne Cameron/PA WireNeil Doncaster claims there's unity in Scottish soccer, but there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. With a first glance at media reports on the outcome of Scottish Premier League's meeting, you would have been forgiven for believing that the SPL clubs had voted for the new league reconstruction plan of a 12-12-18 setup. Chief Executive Neil Doncaster proudly proclaimed that: "The clubs were united in their view about the need for change. I firmly believe that any change can only come from consensus and there's one consensus model for change going forward. The SPL clubs have been clear today that they, in principle back this being taken to the next stage. It's now for the Scottish Football League clubs to give their views on Thursday." Sorry? You mean the SPL haven’t actually voted for anything and have only agreed 'in principle' to do something after they see what the Scottish Football League (SFL) clubs do? That can’t be true, as surely these leaders of Scottish football wouldn’t pass the buck in exactly the same way as they did all last summer? But a statement from Motherwell FC confirmed that “There was no formal vote today however as a club, we indicated our support to the SPL Executive to progress discussions with the SFL.” How depressing! Not only does it show a lack of forward thinking, but the timescale for setting up the reconstruction has just been pushed back again. It could be weeks, even months, before anyone knows what is going to happen next season. And for Rangers? They could be playing in matches for promotion or the SFL3 title and weeks before the end of the season could be told that it didn’t really matter. "Hey Rangers, never mind about all that money spent ensuring that you were promoted. Don’t bother Gers fans for turning out in incredible numbers to watch your team in a league race, we’re just going to forget the rules at the start of the season and you’ll all get to re-play the same teams again. Oh I mean everyone is promoted . . . .that sounds much better." And if you think this is only the view of Rangers, then look around at other supporters groups. On Sunday, the ArabTrust also said "we are not in favour of rushing through the introduction of all of the proposed changes in summer 2013", calling it "grossly unfair that clubs are being asked to vote on this matter, when little detail or any alternatives have been provided, and where it appears to be a take-it-or-leave-it scenario." Ironically Dundee United were one of the strongest supporters of fan opinion when it looked as if they would vote Rangers FC out of the SPL. Now that opinion is presumably no longer shared with the board - it is ignored. Such is life, but let’s not pretend these plans are being run by altruists interested in the good of the game. The weakness of the Scottish Football Association (SFA) has led to a power vacuum that is helping some clubs and not others. The lack of a concrete vote Monday is a possible sign that there are fractures within the SPL, or else why wouldn’t they just go ahead? As Rangers’ CEO Charles Green says, "[The] SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster is telling everyone [the] agreement was unanimous. So why the delay? Might it have been too big a risk to put the format to a vote today? The SFL clubs meet on Thursday and there has to be the concern that if they don’t vote or arrive at any concrete solution then Scottish football could be back in the same situation which caused so much trauma last summer. "What we don’t need is a repeat of that when one group would meet but do nothing hoping the other lot would make a decision. This is far too important an issue for it to be knocked back and forth but I really do wonder if all 12 clubs are happy with today’s outcome.” The educated guess would be that Green is correct here and there is no unanimity, but then who really knows? The only certainty in Scottish football is that the more things change the more they stay the same. Self-interest of the few will remain King. It would appear DU dont go along with their fans when it suits them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBear. 8,499 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 If the spl was a horse it would have been shot months ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
norgerpd 280 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 ESPN FC BLOGS Fractures in SPL as they pass the buck again? Posted by John Gow Recommend8Tweet10EmailLynne Cameron/PA WireNeil Doncaster claims there's unity in Scottish soccer, but there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. With a first glance at media reports on the outcome of Scottish Premier League's meeting, you would have been forgiven for believing that the SPL clubs had voted for the new league reconstruction plan of a 12-12-18 setup. Chief Executive Neil Doncaster proudly proclaimed that: "The clubs were united in their view about the need for change. I firmly believe that any change can only come from consensus and there's one consensus model for change going forward. The SPL clubs have been clear today that they, in principle back this being taken to the next stage. It's now for the Scottish Football League clubs to give their views on Thursday." Sorry? You mean the SPL haven’t actually voted for anything and have only agreed 'in principle' to do something after they see what the Scottish Football League (SFL) clubs do? That can’t be true, as surely these leaders of Scottish football wouldn’t pass the buck in exactly the same way as they did all last summer? But a statement from Motherwell FC confirmed that “There was no formal vote today however as a club, we indicated our support to the SPL Executive to progress discussions with the SFL.” How depressing! Not only does it show a lack of forward thinking, but the timescale for setting up the reconstruction has just been pushed back again. It could be weeks, even months, before anyone knows what is going to happen next season. And for Rangers? They could be playing in matches for promotion or the SFL3 title and weeks before the end of the season could be told that it didn’t really matter. "Hey Rangers, never mind about all that money spent ensuring that you were promoted. Don’t bother Gers fans for turning out in incredible numbers to watch your team in a league race, we’re just going to forget the rules at the start of the season and you’ll all get to re-play the same teams again. Oh I mean everyone is promoted . . . .that sounds much better." And if you think this is only the view of Rangers, then look around at other supporters groups. On Sunday, the ArabTrust also said "we are not in favour of rushing through the introduction of all of the proposed changes in summer 2013", calling it "grossly unfair that clubs are being asked to vote on this matter, when little detail or any alternatives have been provided, and where it appears to be a take-it-or-leave-it scenario." Ironically Dundee United were one of the strongest supporters of fan opinion when it looked as if they would vote Rangers FC out of the SPL. Now that opinion is presumably no longer shared with the board - it is ignored. Such is life, but let’s not pretend these plans are being run by altruists interested in the good of the game. The weakness of the Scottish Football Association (SFA) has led to a power vacuum that is helping some clubs and not others. The lack of a concrete vote Monday is a possible sign that there are fractures within the SPL, or else why wouldn’t they just go ahead? As Rangers’ CEO Charles Green says, "[The] SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster is telling everyone [the] agreement was unanimous. So why the delay? Might it have been too big a risk to put the format to a vote today? The SFL clubs meet on Thursday and there has to be the concern that if they don’t vote or arrive at any concrete solution then Scottish football could be back in the same situation which caused so much trauma last summer. "What we don’t need is a repeat of that when one group would meet but do nothing hoping the other lot would make a decision. This is far too important an issue for it to be knocked back and forth but I really do wonder if all 12 clubs are happy with today’s outcome.” The educated guess would be that Green is correct here and there is no unanimity, but then who really knows? The only certainty in Scottish football is that the more things change the more they stay the same. Self-interest of the few will remain King. It would appear DU dont go along with their fans when it suits them. I am a technophobe so have no idea how to copy and paste etc.So,will someone please Google a picture of "Zoonie" from Fireball xl5 (ah,the memories!) and put it alongside this ugly fuckers mush.Separated at birth??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Shaw 30,712 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,582 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Neil Doncaster has one of those faces you'd never tire of punching. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Nosed Babe 20,884 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 After the Summer Fiasco, who is really surprised at the SPL showing no leadership or backbone whatsoever! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wearethepeople1 3,897 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 He really is one strange looking mother fucka !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Nosed Babe 20,884 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Neil Doncaster has one of those faces you'd never tire of punching.Right up there with Salmond and Cameron! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
norgerpd 280 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 That's not Zoonie,mate,but there's still a sort of resemblance.Maybe all puppets look alike?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILLGAME 55 4,128 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_Caldow 60 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 He really is one strange looking mother fucka !!Zoonie. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
norgerpd 280 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Zoonie.That's the beauty......cheers mate.Dead ringer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 The same tactics are used in elections. Typically its the Americans that do it but its been known to happen in other democratic countries. TV news and the written press report a result as a foregone conclusion and those who are still to vote will go out and vote for that party or candidate; because human psychology shows that most people want to be part of the winning team or side.They have tried to pull the same shite with the SFL chairman. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,287 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Steve Zodiac was a hero donky is a turd on the bottom of someones shoe Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchieshearercaldow 22,241 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 If this plan is agreed in principal by the SFL then I don't see it being brought in next season.It's not only us that don't agree with rushing it through Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvager 498 Posted January 29, 2013 Author Share Posted January 29, 2013 If the DU supporters are all against it why is the club and Thompson so gung ho for it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
falwheel 222 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Fantastic what a bit of spin can achieve. When I read the headline then it appeared that League reconstruction was agreed and a forgone conclusion. I have now read the article and no vote has been taken..Sinister, deviant and untrustworthy. If change is required, then sell it to the fans and explain the benefits for our beautiful game surely that is the preferred method to allow agreement and a successful vote. The one constant for a successful league is the fanbase..how does this change help..please explain..where is my vote and why does no one seek my opinion.Step up and play Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectre 1,663 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 What does Doncaster ask for when he goes for a haircut? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robg58 319 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Steve Zodiac was a hero donky is a turd on the bottom of someones shoe He was also guitarist in Vardis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3aLSkH4aFE Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 One thing that comes out of all thsi.......this trust keech they are the minority in every club, but for some reason they seem to have a say on what happens..........does this remind you of any other minority group in this country.One would have to imagine that all these trusts have similar people to the ones on the rst and their track record of achievement is damm close to hee haw.Witnessed last year the fat lump with the mehmeh trust being interviewed on tv and what a shambles this balloon was also this arab trust and those at m'well................how many fans do they represent .I mean actual active members.These organisations are a blight on football. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalfollower 1,543 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 What does Doncaster ask for when he goes for a haircut?he asks to look like a cunt Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dexiboy 157 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 What does Doncaster ask for when he goes for a haircut?he has no say liewell chooses his style Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
laudrupno1 3,932 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 What does Doncaster ask for when he goes for a haircut?His money back surely Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Soprano 13,964 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 he asks to look like a cunt :lol: Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,449 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I still think the Stranraer precedence has fallen in the SPL's lap and that is why they will push this through. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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