simplythebest 11,453 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 does my tits in mate. I recognise that Ally has his faults, but any good he has done seems to be forgotten in the clamour for him to walk.Even individuals considered the worst football managers in history have had the odd swallow to try and make the summer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Ok we will will seen in he summer then. When fans are sick of his pish and don't renew tickets. Green will listen to they fans.You mean like the other 10,000 glory hunters who knocked back season book renewals last summer?Aye, we miss them don't we. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Does that mean that you agree with me? You are all over the place with your arguments.Has Ally had the team playing good football in spells or not?Ok we will will seen in he summer then. When fans are sick of his pish and don't renew tickets. Green will listen to they fans. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Perhaps that's because your a little bit thick, no?Oh my. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 does my tits in mate. I recognise that Ally has his faults, but any good he has done seems to be forgotten in the clamour for him to walk so certain people are not proven wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Even individuals considered the worst football managers in history have had the odd swallow to try and make the summer.thats my point. Its not just the odd game where we have played well. Its closer to half the games we have played IMO.Very very inconsistant. But thw positive points are there if you are willing to see them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,374 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 does my tits in mate. I recognise that Ally has his faults, but any good he has done seems to be forgotten in the clamour for him to walk.It's hard to remember to mention the positives when they're outweighed by the negatives. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 thats my point. Its not just the odd game where we have played well. Its closer to half the games we have played IMO.Very very inconsistant. But thw positive points are there if you are willing to see them.Negatives far outweigh any positives for me i'm afraid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 It's hard to remember to mention the positives when they're outweighed by the negatives.i dont think that they are outwieghed at all. I think some people chose to remember the bad and ommit the good.I think its about half and half mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Negatives far outweigh any positives for me i'm afraid.fair enough. You are perfectly entitled to feel like that. I disagree. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 72,041 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 It's hard to remember to mention the positives when they're outweighed by the negatives.Results wise what has Ally achieved since he took over Rangers?How have we done in Europe, cups and domestically?A good spell around winter this season and a great performance against Motherwell is all I can think of this season. The real worry there is that he cannot get a level of consistency from his players against cannon fodder so what happens when it's against better opposition on a regular basis? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 I think that's a really good analogy....Churchill was the right man to see us through the war and was a great ambassador in times of trouble but he wasn't best suited to rebuilding and taking the country forward...so apt IMO for the situation with ally!McCoist is a wartime consiglieri? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Results wise what has Ally achieved since he took over Rangers?How have we done in Europe, cups and domestically?A good spell around winter this season and a great performance against Motherwell is all I can think of this season. The real worry there is that he cannot get a level of consistency from his players against cannon fodder so what happens when it's against better opposition on a regular basis?I know it can seem daft talking about hypothetical scenarios but it's just as well we had that run around November and December, otherwise our gap at the top may not be so big. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Results wise what has Ally achieved since he took over Rangers?How have we done in Europe, cups and domestically?A good spell around winter this season and a great performance against Motherwell is all I can think of this season. The real worry there is that he cannot get a level of consistency from his players against cannon fodder so what happens when it's against better opposition on a regular basis?The team let Ally down in Europe, and those games were amongst his first games in charge of the club.We came secind in the SPL despite losing our two best players, not replacing them. And had a 10 point penalty added.We have also breezed the league we are currently.Cups....bad results last seson, dissapoing loss in Ramsdens. And put out of the other two this year by teams playing 3 leaguea above us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Negatives far outweigh any positives for me i'm afraid.Maybe it feels that way because you just choose to focus on the negatives? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 72,041 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 The team let Ally down in Europe, and those games were amongst his first games in charge of the club.We came secind in the SPL despite losing our two best players, not replacing them. And had a 10 point penalty added.We have also breezed the league we are currently.Cups....bad results last seson, dissapoing loss in Ramsdens. And put out of the other two this year by teams playing 3 leaguea above us.We still had the second best squad in Scotland with Aluko, Davis, Whittaker, AM, Wallace, Boca, Goain ect when Jelavic left. With the players we had compared to Motherwell we rightly should have pipped them to second spot.The squad let him down? Well you could pretty much back any manager in the land by that statement, no manager would ever lose their jobs if the blame rested on the players.I expect better from the players and as manager Ally has to pick the correct ones and get the best out of them, I have not seen nearly enough of that to judge hat he can take the club forward. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 We still had the second best squad in Scotland with Aluko, Davis, Whittaker, AM, Wallace, Boca, Goain ect when Jelavic left. With the players we had compared to Motherwell we rightly should have pipped them to second spot.The squad let him down? Well you could pretty much back any manager in the land by that statement, no manager would ever lose their jobs if the blame rested on the players.I expect better from the players and as manager Ally has to pick the correct ones and get the best out of them, I have not seen nearly enough of that to judge hat he can take the club forward.if we had the second best squad in scotland, why does Ally take so much shit for only finishing second and blowing the big lead that he and the team built in the first place? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 The team let Ally down in Europe, and those games were amongst his first games in charge of the club.We came secind in the SPL despite losing our two best players, not replacing them. And had a 10 point penalty added.We have also breezed the league we are currently.Cups....bad results last seson, dissapoing loss in Ramsdens. And put out of the other two this year by teams playing 3 leaguea above us.You're sugar coating the European situation. I'll say Whittaker and Bougherra did badly let him down in Malmo but there was still the awful first leg then the subsequent Maribor ties, where the buck simply has to stop with the manager. Also after years of apprenticeship under Smith we were told McCoist was ready, he knew the squad very well, so to talk about how early it was in his career isn't really much of a valid reason/excuse either imo. With the squad we had finishing 2nd last season was what had to be expected, even with a 10 point penalty.Cup exits this season, while we are no longer the huge favourites against SPL sides the manner of the defeats was unacceptable.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 if we had the second best squad in scotland, why does Ally take so much shit for only finishing second and blowing the big lead that he and the team built in the first place?Being 2nd best in Scotland is nothing to shout about. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 You're sugar coating the European situation. I'll say Whittaker and Bougherra did badly let him down in Malmo but there was still the awful first leg then the subsequent Maribor ties, where the buck simply has to stop with the manager. Also after years of apprenticeship under Smith we were told McCoist was ready, he knew the squad very well, so to talk about how early it was in his career isn't really much of a valid reason/excuse either imo. With the squad we had finishing 2nd last season was what had to be expected, even with a 10 point penalty.Cup exits this season, while we are no longer the huge favourites against SPL sides the manner of the defeats was unacceptable..How magnanimous of you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 I am sugar coating nothing about Europe.We utterly dominated one of those teams and had over 20 atempts at goal in one of the matches. The strikers missed countless chances and players got themselves nedlessly sent off.Thats exaclty what i mean when i say the team let him down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 How magnanimous of you.Hardly, if you could be arsed looking back you'd see it was them I was angry with rather than Ally. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Being 2nd best in Scotland is nothing to shout about.after the shit we went through last season, damn right its worth shouting about.If we had never went into admin we might have won the league. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 I am sugar coating nothing about Europe.We utterly dominated one of those teams and had over 20 atempts at goal in one of the matches. The strikers missed countless chances and players got themselves nedlessly sent off.Thats exaclty what i mean when i say the team let him down.We tried to hold onto a lead in Maribor and paid for it with a defeat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 if we had the second best squad in scotland, why does Ally take so much shit for only finishing second and blowing the big lead that he and the team built in the first place?Jelavic's exit and a 10 point deduction changed the complexion of the squad, but it was more than a match for Celtic prior to all that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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