Vanguard Bears - Statement / Article

[SectionRedHMS 190]

Those who want to get rid of the protestant fan base may have a very empty staduim to go to, if they did. But the protestant family ties have handed down the love of Ranger through the generations and will continue to do so. The wishful thinking will not alter reality.

Who in our support wants to get rid of the Protestant fan base?

Rangers reflect the Scottish population,mainly of a Protestant heritage,but very few practising Christians.

Don't see much of the Lords love in here at the moment...............

[allgers 735]

You have to commend fellow bears that are willing to give up their time to fight the good fight.

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

Thanks, although I've barely posted in weeks and you only joined on April 15th so it leaves me wondering who you were and why you aren't them now.

OUCH!!! well said!

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

Amazing how the average appeaser and handwringer wants Rangers fans to be a broad church, but they won't accept Loyalists into that equation. Let's cut to the chase here. The appeasers frothing at the eyeballs are cowards who would let Rangers haters stamp on their face if required. I'm all for all religions and those of none supporting the Gers. However, I'm a Loyalist, as are most VB members and we will defend our rights to take on any Rangers hater and to be allowed an opinion.

The squealing little bitches (Two cowards really) can kick and shout all they want, it just makes us more determined to take the likes of them on.

It really says all you need to know when one appeaser would welcome anyone including Islamic serial killers and the like, but has a problem with British Unionists and Loyalists. As I said last night, the article can be criticised or supported, it's there to be discussed. However, this is not about the text or views, this is about handwringers and T shirt salemen lackies who will smear other Bears to defend their profits and warped ideology at all costs.

If you don't like the article handwringers and the very mention of VB gets your petticoats in a twist, don't read the fecking thing.

Whilst they squeal and run for cover, many Bears will take on the enemies of Rangers.

Internet hardman shit ! and thats ignoring the hipocracacy in the post!

[GOAT 30,449]

"They are a Rangers supporters group who are dedicated to preserving the protestant religion"

Then go and preserve it without using our a club as a platform to support your agenda.

We really need to separate religion from football. Especially given around 50% of the British population are either Atheists or Agnostics. And thats not even factoring in those who claim to be of a certain religion yet don't even practice their faith.

The VB's need to realise this is a tradition they cannot "preserve" and its not even one our club has any interest in preserving... Move on!

So basically you want to force your religion, or lack of, on us then?

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

So basically you want to force your religion, or lack of, on us then?

eerrr while Blue Athiest is more than capable of answering himself - why do we need religion at all attached to the club? Surely if a Rangers supporter wants to enhance any religion the way to make it strong is by attending Church and such? Any one can have any religion, or non religion, they want and support Rangers. But Rangers are about the football - and that is enough - Rangers dont need underpinned by any Religious or Political view point to remain strong.

[OLE SUPER WILBERT 2,475]

I'm not a bigot.

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

Keep up the obsession Pedro, you've got a thread on VB all of your own, where many a Bear are mocking you right now.

A thread on VB about me - goodness deary me!

Thanks for letting me know that I am being discussed, even mocked - even for the anonomous internet - discussing ME (an anonomous stranger) in a wee secret society forum - now that takes internet annonimity to a whole new level! I quite like one or two of the VB lads BUT its no wonder some of us also laugh at VB if I have a thread where I am discussed (or even ridiculed) on VB - :lol: at least bring your mocking into RM where I have the right to mock back ?

[minstral 5,375]

no one denies that but religion has had it's day - it ain't religion that brings 50000 to a game!

Well it is not the boring football that brings them along.

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

Well it is not the boring football that brings them along.

Its the belief ...... in better football

[1st_Jan_1994 4,868]

I see Blue Atheist, BluePeter9 or the other 2 handwringing bigots don't want to reply to my point about Broxi Bear and Rangers reps at the Sikh functions

Yous say Rangers should have nothing to do with religion

Who needs tims when you have this remarkable brand of prejudice and bigotry from your own kind

Not every Rangers fan has loyalist views, that's fine - but the majority do and if some people can't respect that they're worse than taigs - at least you know where you stand with them

[minstral 5,375]

I see Blue Atheist, BluePeter9 or the other 2 handwringing bigots don't want to reply to my point about Broxi Bear and Rangers reps at the Sikh functions

Yous say Rangers should have nothing to do with religion

Who needs tims when you have this remarkable brand of prejudice and bigotry from your own kind

Not every Rangers fan has loyalist views, that's fine - but the majority do and if some people can't respect that they're worse than taigs - at least you know where you stand with them

Spot on mate, they all knew about the culture and traditions at our club when they decided to support our club.

[1st_Jan_1994 4,868]

Spot on mate, they all knew about the culture and traditions at our club when they decided to support our club.

Exactly - even if its not their thing they could at least respect it. That's not too much to ask.

As I say, the handwringers in our support are the biggest bigots and they can't see it

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

Dear Peter

I should re-phrase my original comments. Not so much mocking, more laughing and sneering at you. You are looked upon as nothing more than a coward and an a appeaser of the very people seeking to harm to our club and fans. You certainly get your petticoat in a twist at the mere mention of our little website for some reason - which is always good.

You must attend Rangers games and hate almost every person within 100 yards of you. I know of no Rangers fans like you where I come from. In fact, you are lower than the most vicious of Rangers haters, at least they're up front about their motives. You on the other hand - well, probably it's best to let everyone else decide what you are and stand for.

As I've said previously, Rangers fans can discuss the article, like it, hate it, feel nothing, that's fine. Feel free to enjoy or criticise Bears, it's only an article written by one solitary Rangers fan.

Pedro, you've frothed for 24 hours now - which is nice What makes you so angry?

Love being called a coward - on the anonomous Internet

Love being called a coward - by someone who is posting about me on a website I am not even allowed to join - let alone have a right of reply - very brave!

Are you aged 14?

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

I see Blue Atheist, BluePeter9 or the other 2 handwringing bigots don't want to reply to my point about Broxi Bear and Rangers reps at the Sikh functions

Yous say Rangers should have nothing to do with religion

Who needs tims when you have this remarkable brand of prejudice and bigotry from your own kind

Not every Rangers fan has loyalist views, that's fine - but the majority do and if some people can't respect that they're worse than taigs - at least you know where you stand with them

did your post about Broxi NEED replying to ?

... and this joy of religion you have - do you back this up by doing normal repigious things - like praying or attending church (other than weddings and funerals )?, Do you spend more money on Rangers or your church ? Why should religion be attached to Rangers ? Does Rangers need religion to survive ? Does it need a political arm to survive ? I suspect that for most of us the football, the history, the sportsmanship - these are enough - and we dont need any other attachments to support Rangers.

[1st_Jan_1994 4,868]

The Broxi point is a valid one and AGAIN you've not answered it

As for me, I believe in God although I'm not a church goer since when did you have to go to church every week anyway to consider yourself a Christian ?

I'm a Loyalist before anything. First and foremost including Rangers. I'm just proud that both go hand in hand. Embrace it - don't spit the dummy out and resort to taig talk with your own wee prejudices against your own

[1st_Jan_1994 4,868]

He's a nutter mate

[Blue Atheist 178]

That's out of order, Peter.

...how come YOU'RE getting frothed about on the VB site and I'm not? lol

[Raligt 2,541]

What's a handwringer?

[1st_Jan_1994 4,868]

What's a handwringer?

People who are apologists and sympathisers

People like BluePeter9 who would happily never see another Loyalist at Ibrox again, just so we don't look bad to the taigs, the media etc.

[nachothelegend 1,932]

Exactly - even if its not their thing they could at least respect it. That's not too much to ask.As I say, the handwringers in our support are the biggest bigots and they can't see it

Have to agree with this .They will Tear themselves apart on here , however with a Taig you know what your up against ,with some of our Fans its astonishing.At the Hearts Game when we started the Season in 2011/12 I thought I would never hear Two Rangers Scarf Wearing Individuals Mutter FTQ, before I Escorted them Both out the Doors.I couldn't believe my Ears , and they where Two very, very Lucky Individuals from the SNP Divide.That's what we are up against at Ibrox .They should all Pipe up, and show themselves at Ibrox during Match Day.

[72barca 1,788]

.. but you just lectured us on why Weiss listen to the opinions of our brothers and sisters in the rangers family and then tell us our opinions are' irrelevant' thanks for listening - and if Carlsberg did hypocrisy your post above would be a fine example !

You jump on the one thing that means so little in that post. In your previous post you said -'that religion and politics had nothing to do with football' and your little friend tells us that the VB are a 'bigotted platform' who only want the fight to continue. You jump on a perceived hypocricy and refuse to answer the examples given, namely a religiously motivated complaint about the organizers of the Founders trail movement and secondly the politically motivated opposition to the fine charitable efforts of the Arthur Numan Loyal RFC. The VB won what none of your lot did, i.e. an apology from the BBC. Ergo the overwhelming opinion that supports these efforts deserves to be heard above those who are dissenting, since such dissenters are bringing nothing of interest to the table in support of

the Rangers family.

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

Allowed to join? Why on earth would you join a Rangers website, with a strong Unionist and Loyalist ethos? Why would we allow a Republican hatemonger like you to join? Why would you join a website where you hate everything the members believe in? We wouldn't allow you to join VB if you were the last Bear standing. With the amount of Bheast friendly appeasing you do, that's a distinct possibilty of course.

By the way, I'm 16 Pedro and my balls dropped long before you reached 50.

Cowardly mongral.

Shhurley you would let me join just to have a right of reply in the thread about me !

ah 16 ! got it!

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

He's a nutter mate

Willhelm is only 16 explains a lot - I do assume you mean he is a nutter!

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

That's out of order, Peter.

...how come YOU'RE getting frothed about on the VB site and I'm not? lol

I suspect you get a mention or two! You'll be 'The other one' !