jonbryce 63 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 So where do the Nortern Isles process their oil once they get it to shore? From whence do they get their supplies? Will they be paying Grangemouth & Aberdeen to service their oil industry. Scotland would still be able to make money from them. If they were to be an exclave of the England/Wales nation, almost all their everyday requirements would have to pass through Scotland/Scottish waters giving rise to import/export duties. And please stop refering to England as the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom refers to the union of the crowns of Scotland and England and would continue as such following independence, should the Scottish people vote that way. The United Kingdom is not at risk, despite the lies perpetrated by David Cameron who clearly needs a history lesson.The United Kingdom actually refers to the union between The Kingdom of Great Britain and the Kingdom of Ireland (now Northern Ireland). Scotland would leave the Kingdom of Great Britain, but the union between what's left of the Kingdom of Great Britain and what's left of the Kingdom of Ireland would remain in place.The SNP want Scotland to be part of Europe, which would mean there would be no import or export duties. If Scotland wasn't part of Europe, and did impose duties, then I think they would send the oil to Norway, which as part of the EEA doesn't impose import or export duties on goods going to or from Britain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbryce 63 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 BP. In simple language the UK is not a political union. It existed between 1603 and 1707 with two sovereign parliaments. Wales was conquered by England prior to that hence my reference to England/Wales. NI does not figure in this part of the discussion as there was not an Irish crown to be united with. I have nothing against the Six Counties, in fact I have a great admiration for them bearing in mind what they have put up with and, in Belfast, still having to put up with. I just prefer accuracy when referring to the UK.Pope Adrian IV appointed Henry II as Lord of Ireland in 1155. In 1542, Henry VIII declared himself King of Ireland after he broke away from Rome and established the Church of England.In 1801, the Kingdom of Great Britain and the Kingdom of Ireland merged to form the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 But the 16-18 years seem to be less in favour of independence than the rest of the population.When I was that age, I was thinking about what I needed to do so that I could earn a living in the future. Moving to England was one of the options I was considering, and in the end I did move to England. About 90% of the people in my class left the country, and England was by far the most popular destination. Some of them have since returned to Scotland, I haven't. Either way, people of that age aren't going to want to close off that option.(Say independence happens) do you really think moving to England is going to no longer be an option ? ( also I think it would be a good thing if folk stopped moving away Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbryce 63 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 (Say independence happens) do you really think moving to England is going to no longer be an option ? ( also I think it would be a good thing if folk stopped moving awayIf Scotland was no longer part of the EU, then yes. English employers have to give priority to EU citizens, and are only allowed to employ someone from outside the EU if they can't find a suitably qualified EU citizen to do the job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Manticore* 1,893 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 If Scotland was no longer part of the EU, then yes. English employers have to give priority to EU citizens, and are only allowed to employ someone from outside the EU if they can't find a suitably qualified EU citizen to do the job.The SNP are still peddling the lie that an independent Scotland would remain within the EU, so they avoid awkward issues like this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 If Scotland was no longer part of the EU, then yes. English employers have to give priority to EU citizens, and are only allowed to employ someone from outside the EU if they can't find a suitably qualified EU citizen to do the job.I dont think that would happen but if that was the case that would be good for Scotland - no brain drain! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 The SNP are still peddling the lie that an independent Scotland would remain within the EU, so they avoid awkward issues like this.It's not awkward at all if we ain't in the EU that will help stop the brain drain ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Manticore* 1,893 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 It's not awkward at all if we ain't in the EU that will help stop the brain drain !Yet your heroes in the Scottish executive wasted 20k of public money to avoid the truth coming out.Only last week sturgeon dodged the issue on radio 4.Gnats. Liars from the cradle to the grave.VOTE NO FOR FREEDOM, DEMOCRACY AND TRUTH. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Yet your heroes in the Scottish executive wasted 20k of public money to avoid the truth coming out.Only last week sturgeon dodged the issue on radio 4.Gnats. Liars from the cradle to the grave.VOTE NO FOR FREEDOM, DEMOCRACY AND TRUTH.It's not about single issues, politicians nor ( IMHO ) cash - it is about direction. What serves Scotland best! IMHO that is self determination.Btw your last sentence made me laugh - I very much doubt freedom democracy or truth (!! ?) will be affected either way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwhiteandgreen 43 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Gnats. Liars from the cradle to the grave.what a ridiculous statement to make; you must be fishing ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Manticore* 1,893 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 It's not about single issues, politicians nor ( IMHO ) cash - it is about direction. What serves Scotland best! IMHO that is self determination.Glad you agree that the Scottish executive has wasted our money to hide its lies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Manticore* 1,893 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 what a ridiculous statement to make; you must be fishing ?No it's not.No I'm not.It was part of a longer post. Possibly you think it was a series of unconnected thoughts. Hey ho. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clan macrae 292 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 In the sixties the vast majority suppurating Scotland were gets fans.we even wore our rangers scarfs to the Scotland games.indeed the team was full of rangers players or rangers supporters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab 73 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Thanks for that CB. I for one have NEVER forgotten just how slimy and sleekit the pie man has behaved in his courting of the papish vote. He and his merry band cannot and should not be trusted. Vote NO. To a Scottish Rhepublic.Always horrific to see words like papish' on RM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Ignotus 49 Posted November 17, 2013 Author Share Posted November 17, 2013 Always horrific to see words like papish' on RM.Completely agree. I can understand 'tarrier' - anyone that sings songs glorifying terrorists deserves being called that and all the contempt from righ thinking people that goes with it. But 'papist' as a term of abuse to all RCs is way too far, leave it in the eighteenth century... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,658 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Yet your heroes in the Scottish executive wasted 20k of public money to avoid the truth coming out.Only last week sturgeon dodged the issue on radio 4.Gnats. Liars from the cradle to the grave.VOTE NO FOR FREEDOM, DEMOCRACY AND TRUTH.Great post Manti, that's why there will never be an independent Scotland, liars and dippin the till for self profit, wonder how much they are gettin bunged for the great wind farm scam ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clan macrae 292 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 One of my worries over this is if Scotland leaves the union,if England is isolated what happens to the Falklands. No Britain to defend them.argentina would invade and claim the area as its own.the inhabitants are British,god help them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bothwellbear 1,392 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Democracy will decide the outcome and not a bunch of keyboard warriors who seem unable to debate without being abusive. Whatever happens Rangers will be Rangers. We will remain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,658 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 One of my worries over this is if Scotland leaves the union,if England is isolated what happens to the Falklands. No Britain to defend them.argentina would invade and claim the area as its own.the inhabitants are British,god help them.You will have more to worry about, liewell and salmond will have you sweepin their chimneys from the inside ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Democracy will decide the outcome and not a bunch of keyboard warriors who seem unable to debate without being abusive. Whatever happens Rangers will be Rangers. We will remain.Nobody has said we wouldn't remain Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bothwellbear 1,392 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Nobody has said we wouldn't remainNo shit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crabbit bear 139 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 (Say independence happens) do you really think moving to England is going to no longer be an option ? ( also I think it would be a good thing if folk stopped moving awayI dont think that would happen but if that was the case that would be good for Scotland - no brain drain!It's not awkward at all if we ain't in the EU that will help stop the brain drain ! You make it sound more like a penal colony than independance. They'll be putting fences up to keep people in, a bit like an independant North Korea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Manticore* 1,893 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 You make it sound more like a penal colony than independance. They'll be putting fences up to keep people in, a bit like an independant North Korea.Poor Peter, people move away from him all the time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLE SUPER WILBERT 2,475 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Always horrific to see words like papish' on RM.Get a grip ya horrible wee grass. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangersfc77 170 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Always horrific to see words like papish' on RM.Eh I hope your kidding Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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