Jimfanciesthedude 24,611 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 He's appeared in 31 games this season, despite missing 5 weeks with a broken foot.that doesnt paint the whole picture, but i think you knew thatclark out of a possible 2790 minutes of football (31 appearances) played only 1648 minutesjon daly played 44 games and out of a possible 3960 minutes, he played a magnificent 3903 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 that doesnt paint the whole picture, but i think you knew thatclark out of a possible 2790 minutes of football (31 appearances) played only 1648 minutesjon daly played 44 games and out of a possible 3960 minutes, he played a magnificent 3903I wasn't saying he played more than Jon Daly. I was saying he was given a chance this season. A statement which I'll happily stand behind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,611 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Ill be honest. , there's a Media agenda going on and on and on about this great thing Dundee Utd are doing.They are making them out to be better than what they are!Is it any coincidence that has been happening with Celtic and the media for years.Telling us that Arsenalwanted Juarez and were quoting £10mThe same thing is now happening at unitedThese boys are good, but they are not great and not near this Hype PR machine that the media are portrayingWe played them off the pitch in the cup, lucky for them we couldn't finish our dinnerNext yr it's going to get worse and worse and worsedunno what cup game you seen, but we didnt "play them off the park" and considering that they were playing rangers at ibrox, the 17yo and the two 19 yo's in their defence seemed pretty comfortable for most of the gamemcculloch and moshni on the other hand looked out of their depth at times dealing with the energetic united youngstersas for the media building up the united team, no wonder, maybe if we did the same then perhaps our youngsters would be worth somethinginstead we have people defending the club over telfer by saying he canny have been that good as ally watches the u20's all the time, ally couldnt spot a player if he came up and booted him in the arse Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,611 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I wasn't saying he played more than Jon Daly. I was saying he was given a chance this season. A statement which I'll happily stand behind.clark got an average of 53 minutes per appearance, pretty shite considering he's a young lad and needs game time to acclimatise to our teamwhen games were done at 3 or 4 nil, ally took clark off and left daly on, do you agree that was correct? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzalivesforever 1,987 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 He might come back in 3 years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drenth 21 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Whats the latest with Scott Allen? He plays in the same position as Telfer, will be happier is we sign him as a replacement Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legalbeagle 3,734 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 that doesnt paint the whole picture, but i think you knew thatclark out of a possible 2790 minutes of football (31 appearances) played only 1648 minutesjon daly played 44 games and out of a possible 3960 minutes, he played a magnificent 3903Daly scored 25, Clark 9, which sounds like a similar ratio of goals per minute. So what is the actual problem here? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillete 1,338 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 dunno what cup game you seen, but we didnt "play them off the park" and considering that they were playing rangers at ibrox, the 17yo and the two 19 yo's in their defence seemed pretty comfortable for most of the gamemcculloch and moshni on the other hand looked out of their depth at times dealing with the energetic united youngstersas for the media building up the united team, no wonder, maybe if we did the same then perhaps our youngsters would be worth somethinginstead we have people defending the club over telfer by saying he canny have been that good as ally watches the u20's all the time, ally couldnt spot a player if he came up and booted him in the arseI remember it well as I was there, and we were by far the better side. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekweir29 505 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Good luck to young lad id do same thing with the shite getting game in front of you.No chance under our current joke of management.This lad wad a stand out for youths. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 clark got an average of 53 minutes per appearance, pretty shite considering he's a young lad and needs game time to acclimatise to our teamwhen games were done at 3 or 4 nil, ally took clark off and left daly on, do you agree that was correct?Clark was short of fitness most of the season. He was blowing out his arse after an hour. Would I have taken him off in all of those games? No. Would I have taken him off in some of them? Absolutely.Being young doesn't entitle you to 90 minutes week-in-week-out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legalbeagle 3,734 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I'm sure MacLeod, Aird and Clark will all be joining United next because no young players get a chance at Rangers.Are you saying that the young players who played loads of games this season don't get a chance. Shouldn't you have picked ones that didn't play?Edit: of course my sarcasm meter may be on the blink and I could have missed the point entirely. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,611 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Daly scored 25, Clark 9, which sounds like a similar ratio of goals per minute. So what is the actual problem here?because we revolved our attacking style and forward play around an ageing striker that isnt good enough for when we go back to the top league, and used a hungry young lad who was last seasons top goalscorer in league 1 for QotS as a bit part player, even when games and the league were donewhat benefit did we get from giving daly near 90 minutes every single game, will he become better?, will he become fitter? will he become more valuable Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,611 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Clark was short of fitness most of the season. He was blowing out his arse after an hour. Would I have taken him off in all of those games? No. Would I have taken him off in some of them? Absolutely.Being young doesn't entitle you to 90 minutes week-in-week-out.but being old with dodgy knees does apparently, you say clark was blowing out of his arse after an hour, daly hasnt moved since january, infact i think the rugby 7's are in doubt because they canny move the flat footed lump of wood off the ibrox pitchblack said after the raith rovers shambles that he was tired he also played 3640 minutes last season, law went missing after November, he played 3704 minutes last seasoni could go on, these guys arent even being subbed with 10 minutes to go for fresh young legs from the youth team, why do you think ally is incapable of doing something like giving the likes of telfer the last 10 minutes of every single game? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legalbeagle 3,734 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 because we revolved our attacking style and forward play around an ageing striker that isnt good enough for when we go back to the top league, and used a hungry young lad who was last seasons top goalscorer in league 1 for QotS as a bit part player, even when games and the league were donewhat benefit did we get from giving daly near 90 minutes every single game, will he become better?, will he become fitter? will he become more valuableI think you may be overestimating Clark, and to be honest he was really struggling for fitness in the second half of the season when Daly needed a break. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,611 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I think you may be overestimating Clark, and to be honest he was really struggling for fitness in the second half of the season when Daly needed a break.of course clark would struggle for fitness, injury aside he didnt get enough game time to build up his match fitness Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 It just tells me that the bar is higher at Rangers than it is at Dundee United, it remains to be seen whether Telfer justifies all this anger. I find it difficult to get all raging about someone I've barely seen play, especially after all the gnashing of teeth about Urquhart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legalbeagle 3,734 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 of course clark would struggle for fitness, injury aside he didnt get enough game time to build up his match fitnessExcuses, how were you with the no pre-season excuse last season? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanjo 26,333 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Afraid McCoist needs to take responsibility with this one. Promised youth a chance and do e almost nothing but give one striker a few minutes, AR aside. We keep asking ourselves questions on quality but our own are walking out on us. Really think Ally needs a DOF because this isn't the first. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,611 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Excuses, how were you with the no pre-season excuse last season?laughable given we had professionals against postmen and plumbersjust curious, you do realise that general fitness and match fitness are completely different dont you? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legalbeagle 3,734 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 laughable given we had professionals against postmen and plumbersjust curious, you do realise that general fitness and match fitness are completely different dont you?Take your head out of the sand, Clark-lover Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elephants stoned 2,994 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 It just tells me that the bar is higher at Rangers than it is at Dundee United, it remains to be seen whether Telfer justifies all this anger. I find it difficult to get all raging about someone I've barely seen play, especially after all the gnashing of teeth about Urquhart.Its about more than one player who may or may not be a future star. Its about the fact that far from being the leading club in Scottish football in youth football as Advocaat intended when he requested Auchinhowie to be built, we are now losing highly rated talent to Dundee Hivs because they have a more progressive outlook on coaching and youth players. That should be a real kick in the balls for us but people have grown so disillusioned that its just par for the course now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCR1 1,507 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 If the youth were good enough they'd have been given their chance, this isn't football manager 2014 this is real life. Good luck to him obviously wasn't in McCoists favour Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 If I was Telfer I would have looked at the example of Aird and MacLeod - and, to a lesser extent Crawford and Gallagher - and stuck around. Historically the rewards for breaking through at Rangers are infinitely richer than the rewards for breaking through at any other Scottish club, bar one. In walter we trust 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,611 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Take your head out of the sand, Clark-loverah well thats my argument put to bed, i doff my cap at your fantastic debating skills sir Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legalbeagle 3,734 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 ah well thats my argument put to bed, i doff my cap at your fantastic debating skills sir It's hard to debate with someone who changes principles depending on whether it is his favourite player or not, tbh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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