HG5 11,414 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 'And we don't have a Hateley or Johnston to fill in for him while he gets his act together or has a lull in form.'That's decrying his playing record. He had no significant lull in form, nor was anyone required to 'fill in' for him. He didn't need to sort himself out. Any off-field problems were never reflected on the pitch.He was a schemer. His play was based on as much as being in the right place and losing his man brilliantly. That's a schemer.This kind of attempt to link his playing career to his management one is tenuous.Those rogue 'e's again.See post above!Back to the top, if he 'd not had lulls, he 'd never have been out of the side.Souness very pointedly remarked that Johnston scored the winner in 1-0 games, not the 5th in 5-0's (paraphrased a bit there), hence why he fancied him more, at Ally's expense. I'm happy to acknowledge he worked it out, but that came through spells where he sat out a bit.I'm not saying he didn't learn - he did, but you can 't fight the evidence that he wasn't always first pick.My point is that he hasn't the luxury of the breaks he got when it was him, Hateley or Johnston - it's all down to him & it's pretty unremitting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlippinEck 3,748 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Has he lost the dressing room entirely.Well he's as much told the players they aren't good enough. Always talking about bringing in better quality players and going on about how the players we have brought in aren't as good as the players we lost during admin and whilst thats probably true its a bit of a kick in the balls to these players. They are his singings at the end of the day and he should be developing them. I have no faith that he can do that. People go on about the 'football manager' players on here but its almost as if Ally has just thought, these guys are clearly better than the level we are playing at so im just going to sign them and play them because at the end of the day they should win. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,830 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 He gone yet?.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombaybadboy08 15,660 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Derby have a much better football tea, they have a bigger budget, better players and consistently play at a higher level than we have in the last 2 seasons.People need to remember it's the Scottish Championship we need to win, not the English one.What tea do we drink then?I don't see why that's an issue to be honest unless it's performance enhancing tea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sket 13,610 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 It was a friendly. Fuck up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmcf 34,693 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Go and think about why he wasn't fancied and was used as a sub. You've really answered it above yourself.No, no attempt to decry his playing record, merely to remind that he had attitude issues as you, again, acknowledge yourself.The point is that then, he had guys around to step in and do the business while he was sorting himself out - and he made a good job of that, leading to his great stats.In this current role , he has no such support & it's full on all the time.I might also add that his talent, leading to his great playing record, was based on razor-sharp instinct & reactions. He wasn't exactly a schemer, which may, perhaps, be a better quality to bring into management?To be fair , I don't think anyone is decrying his footballing ability , at least I hope not. On a personal level , I don't think he has it as a manager . There's no disgrace in that - many have tried and failed. But being a legend as a player does not automatically make you a good manager - you either have it or you don't . As much as I like Ally the player / the man , I have more concern of Rangers right now , than Ally the manager. Malvern 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,689 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 What tea do we drink then?I don't see why that's an issue to be honest unless it's performance enhancing tea.Green Tea has lots of anti-oxidants.It might help, I guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmcf 34,693 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 To be fair , I don't think anyone is decrying his footballing ability , at least I hope not. On a personal level , I don't think he has it as a manager . There's no disgrace in that - many have tried and failed. But being a legend as a player does not automatically make you a good manager - you either have it or you don't . As much as I like Ally the player / the man , I have more concern of Rangers right now , than Ally the manager.Balls up ! That was meant for Inigo ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombaybadboy08 15,660 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Green Tea has lots of anti-oxidants.It might help, I guess.Don't fight his battles, Inigo, this guy seems to have some inside info from his new friends at Derby! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian 4,281 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 You can't sack a manager because of a preseason result.If you are talking about what happened last season, it's pointless. If the Ally oot brigade wanted to discuss whether or not he should have been sacked based on last seasons performances then this thread is a few months late.Besides, if he was going to be sacked based on last seasons results/performances then it would have been done at the end of last season, it wasn't, therefore he is going nowhere.The board aren't going to turn around and say "oh, Rangers were pish during preseason, let's sack Ally."Therefore, he is here and will manage the team during the Hibs and Hearts games, which is why I'm saying it would be more appropriate to discuss his future if we lose one or both of those games.Last season is in the past, he wasn't sacked for it then so he won't be sacked for it now, so let's concentrate on this season.Nobody is asking for him to be sacked because of a preseason result. They want him sacked for the lack of results right across his tenure.You are right, it is unlikely he will be sacked now, but folk have the right to voice their displeasure and let it be known this is unacceptable.If not, we go into the next games with a clean sheet and if he screws them up too its only two games.We can't have that, his whole record needs to be taken into account as I have to say Max Bygraves has a better record. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HG5 11,414 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Green Tea has lots of anti-oxidants.It might help, I guess.I think they'd need to dye it, or call it something else, but the content is good..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HG5 11,414 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Balls up ! That was meant for Inigo ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,689 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Balls up ! That was meant for Inigo !It was? Hang on two secs...................... Ah yeah, I see...To be fair , I don't think anyone is decrying his footballing ability , at least I hope not.On a personal level , I don't think he has it as a manager . There's no disgrace in that - many have tried and failed. But being a legend as a player does not automatically make you a good manager - you either have it or you don't . As much as I like Ally the player / the man , I have more concern of Rangers right now , than Ally the manager.Hmm. As I said, there was a wee suspect line in one of HG5s posts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmcf 34,693 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Derby have a much better football tea, they have a bigger budget, better players and consistently play at a higher level than we have in the last 2 seasons.People need to remember it's the Scottish Championship we need to win, not the English one.It's not just about this friendly. It's more about the standard we've played over the last couple of years with players we've signed from spfl clubs playing against part timers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,689 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 I think they'd need to dye it, or call it something else, but the content is good.....Kentucky Blue Tea.Even though it's from China. Meh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,689 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Don't fight his battles, Inigo, this guy seems to have some inside info from his new friends at Derby!I'm as eager as you to know. Just a guess on my part. Mon BHG, spill the beans. bombaybadboy08 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmcf 34,693 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 It was? Hang on two secs...................... Ah yeah, I see...Hmm. As I said, there was a wee suspect line in one of HG5s posts.Sorry I wasn't trying to be disingenuous to you . I do think you have to separate Ally the player with Ally the manager. And another thing... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal-Bear 229 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 so why did he want all they SPL players then if all he was asked was two successive promotions in part time leagueshow can Allan Johnston win the 3rd tier of scottish football and the ransdens cup by spending 10% of what ally felt was neededwhy did we supposedly build a team to compete in the cups, yet dismiss them when ally doesnt win themThis all day long! End of argument! Sooner Ally goes the better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackandra 732 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Have a look on the DCFC forum. They're all laughin at us! Moshni getting a fuckin rippin. I see Gogzy has been on their forum backing us up!!! :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,689 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Sorry I wasn't trying to be disingenuous to you .I do think you have to separate Ally the player with Ally the manager.No probs, squire. It wasn't taken as such. gmcf 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgally 452 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 McLeish. Who somehow managed to finish 3rd in two horse race?Aye the same guy who lead us to a treble and got us through the group stages of the champions lge before losing on away goals to Villareal ( remember big Dados handball ? ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redsox1 1,361 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Now they're cowards for not calling for change . Lolcowards because plenty of them are accusing the board of being weak for not dealing with McCoist but refusing to say the same to the mhedia.We all know their agenda. Call the board weak for keeping McCoist but if the board sacked McCoist they would be the first to say the board are monsters for getting rid of a legend. They are trying to put the board in a no win situation. But you already knew that. Bears r us 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redsox1 1,361 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Much would it cost ???? you have your answer....Put him on garden leave and you would have a whole year to pay him off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan_RFC 57 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 He needs to leave and I think he knows it. But as long as he has the support of the board he won't go anywhere. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topgoalie 637 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Without Ally as our frontman these past couple of years to steady the ship,we would be fckd.Charlie Green for manager i would say, he would sort it out ....no doubt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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