The Dude 20,026 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Not even 100 minutes?By the looks of it he hasn't even been called up to a squad since May never mind 23 minutes off the bench against the might of the Finland U19s Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk and disorderly. 14,430 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Interesting wee thing I've just spotted there. The great white hope of Scottish football hasn't even been involved with the Scottish U19s since a sub appearance in May 2014. Absolutely staggering.Maybe he is holding out for a place in the Germany first team. Wonder what Charlie thinks about the man who pays his wages saying Rangers are a new Club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBluenose1972 1,405 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 By the looks of it he hasn't even been called up to a squad since May never mind 23 minutes off the bench against the might of the Finland U19sSome player but! I reckon Scotlands best under 19 infact, Next game he'l get 200 minutes Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Maybe he is holding out for a place in the Germany first team. Wonder what Charlie thinks about the man who pays his wages saying Rangers are a new Club.Charlie Uber Alles Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk and disorderly. 14,430 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Some player but! I reckon Scotlands best under 19 infact, Next game he'l get 200 minutes Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammy cox 664 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Funny when he was at Rangers he had great potential.Then when he moves for whatever reason all we get from some on here is "he was pish anyway,how many games has he played for this or that " same story for any young guys who decides to leave the club.These comments coming from guys whos own drawers at home are full of football medals including international caps who have played at the dizzy heights of armchair football. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Funny when he was at Rangers he had great potential.Then when he moves for whatever reason all we get from some on here is "he was pish anyway,how many games has he played for this or that " same story for any young guys who decides to leave the club.These comments coming from guys whos own drawers at home are full of football medals including international caps who have played at the dizzy heights of armchair football.Actually I was making the very same points on here before Telfer left. Good potential but that's it. Potential. He's no world beater and is nowhere near it yet. He's started one game this season for United (despite the insistence from some he would be a regular starter every week because he's just that good) and has been bombed out the Scotland U19 set up, where he was nothing more than a squad player. He may very well go on to have a decent career but I'm not going to lose a wink of sleep over some kid who's achieved nothing thinking he has a god given right to be playing in the Rangers first team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Funny when he was at Rangers he had great potential.Then when he moves for whatever reason all we get from some on here is "he was pish anyway,how many games has he played for this or that " same story for any young guys who decides to leave the club.These comments coming from guys whos own drawers at home are full of football medals including international caps who have played at the dizzy heights of armchair football.And if we are taking medals and caps as validation of someone's opinion, I'll take that of Ally McCoist before that of Jackie McNamara. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianBacon 2,088 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Some image I am gettingIs that image as frightening as the image of McCoist taking a training session? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammy cox 664 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Every young guy has potential but sometimes it takes other people round about him to nurture that potential and give him a chance now and then.Dont think anyone has said CT is a world beater but im pretty sure when a certain McCoist was brought to Rangers no one thought he was a world beater either.Remember all to well him being booed off the park etc but not going down that route.Telfer has potential whether that will be nurtured more at DU than at Ibrox will remain to be seen but one thing is for sure he like most youth players at Rangers would never be given the chance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Every young guy has potential but sometimes it takes other people round about him to nurture that potential and give him a chance now and then.Dont think anyone has said CT is a world beater but im pretty sure when a certain McCoist was brought to Rangers no one thought he was a world beater either.Remember all to well him being booed off the park etc but not going down that route.Telfer has potential whether that will be nurtured more at DU than at Ibrox will remain to be seen but one thing is for sure he like most youth players at Rangers would never be given the chance.Most youth players at most clubs are never given a chance at first team level. It's the very nature of youth development and the reason for development squads. Very few who never make the grade at Ibrox go on to prove us wrong and have a fantastic career. Most will carve out a great wee career at a lower level and do well for themselves but rarely will they become that good that we regret letting them go. Telfer will go down in history like hundreds before him who had a decent career and that's about it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanhentze 14,089 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 dundee hibs talking about taking case to CASThey must be skint. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammy cox 664 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Perhaps most youth players at most clubs are never given a chance but where do experienced players come from then?.Surely these guys would have been youth players somewhere at some point.My point is we have become lazy over the years and instead of working and developing our youth with a long tem plan we have let other clubs do the work with their potential and we come in and buy them. Typical examples Drunken Duncan,Kevin Thomson,Steven Whittaker,Stevie Naismith,Kris Boyd,Lee Wallace, all players at Scottish clubs.Our young players must have some kind of potential its, been our failure not to develop that potential which has got us where we are today with young guys seeing they are never going to get a chance and end up leaving. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legalbeagle 3,734 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Perhaps most youth players at most clubs are never given a chance but where do experienced players come from then?.Surely these guys would have been youth players somewhere at some point.My point is we have become lazy over the years and instead of working and developing our youth with a long tem plan we have let other clubs do the work with their potential and we come in and buy them. Typical examples Drunken Duncan,Kevin Thomson,Steven Whittaker,Stevie Naismith,Kris Boyd,Lee Wallace, all players at Scottish clubs.Our young players must have some kind of potential its, been our failure not to develop that potential which has got us where we are today with young guys seeing they are never going to get a chance and end up leaving.We, as a club and a fanbase, have never had the patience to really have a go at developing young players. We expect, and quickly, we demand consistency from kids learning the game, and slate them for mistakes.Maurice Ross, Charlie Adam even Hamed Namouchi are players that were given an extended chance to be part on the first team squad, and the fans did not like them.A couple of year back it was Kal Naismith getting pelters, and Hegarty and Perry and Hutton - currently Fraser Aird isn't good enough according to the same moaning bunch.We can't have it both ways on this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Perhaps most youth players at most clubs are never given a chance but where do experienced players come from then?.Surely these guys would have been youth players somewhere at some point.My point is we have become lazy over the years and instead of working and developing our youth with a long tem plan we have let other clubs do the work with their potential and we come in and buy them. Typical examples Drunken Duncan,Kevin Thomson,Steven Whittaker,Stevie Naismith,Kris Boyd,Lee Wallace, all players at Scottish clubs.Our young players must have some kind of potential its, been our failure not to develop that potential which has got us where we are today with young guys seeing they are never going to get a chance and end up leaving.I could give you similar examples for literally every club thay has ever played football for more than a few years.Over the last 10-15 years we've seen Barry Ferguson establish himself and go on to be club captain and make more European appearances than any other player in the clubs history, Danny Wilson, Ness, McCabe, Macleod, Aird, Wylde, Mo Ross, Bob Malcolm, Chris Burke, Alan Hutton, Stephen Hughes, Barry Nicholson, Allan McGregor and Charlie Adam all become regular first team members not to mention the christ knows how many others who had a number of first team games. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 We, as a club and a fanbase, have never had the patience to really have a go at developing young players. We expect, and quickly, we demand consistency from kids learning the game, and slate them for mistakes.Maurice Ross, Charlie Adam even Hamed Namouchi are players that were given an extended chance to be part on the first team squad, and the fans did not like them.A couple of year back it was Kal Naismith getting pelters, and Hegarty and Perry and Hutton - currently Fraser Aird isn't good enough according to the same moaning bunch.We can't have it both ways on this.Course we can. Remember Kane Hemmings was shit when he played for us but when he started scoring for Cowdenbeath he was a fucking superstar Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,546 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Ahead of a full international and Scottish Cup winner and a player who had regularly performed in the SPL (a full time professional league) and also had European experience? It's easy to dress things up to look more impressive than they actually are.Ahead of these players when the league is wonWe wrapped up the title in march, after that the league games were glorified friendlies Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,546 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 You rate Dundee United far too highly It's as if Dundee Taigs are the new Barca Hearts on here!You're spectacularly missing the point, its not who he is playing for, its who againstOur manager deemed him not good enough to play in a league full of part timers that we had won in marchAnother manager deems him good enough to play nearly 10x as much as our gaffer does in a tougher league in games that actually mean something So either macnamara is a clown and canny tell a player from a dud (could well be, but highly doubtful) or ally is a trumpet when it comes to bringing through youth players (bookies favourite this one is) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain1712 336 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 What ever happened to that other up and coming superstar we had who went on to sign for the scum,Dylan mcgeoch wasn't it ? He must be near the Scotland (or Ireland ) squad by now surely. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 What ever happened to that other up and coming superstar we had who went on to sign for the bead rattlers, Dylan mcgeoch wasn't it ? He must be near the Scotland (or Ireland ) squad by now surely.Forgot all about him. He was another who was going to show us what we missed out on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBear. 8,499 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Charlie Telfer doesn't have the mentality to make a successful career for himself. In 2 years he'll be playing spfl championship football, at best. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyDawson72 213 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 By the looks of it he hasn't even been called up to a squad since May never mind 23 minutes off the bench against the might of the Finland U19sBecause he was mostly playing for us (or not) while a large number of young players at that level get some game time at a higher level than us.In the limited games he has played for scumdee he has win POM in that league. It would be a fair assumption to say that he is improving. He is 19 FFS. No one is saying we would have built a team around him but I bet you a decent coach would have developed him to be an established team player within our squad by now.I told the story from before last Xmas when I was talking to young Scott Allen now at hivs. He couldn't have made it any clearer what the young lads think of MCCoist and his coaching.Even young Lewis Macleod will wonder how far he could go while he is playing under him. Deep down he knows his strengths and best position.The more he is shunted to LM to accommodate the might of Ian Black and Nicky Law the more he will realise that his potential is being hampered. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemdog 39,389 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Charlie Telfer doesn't have the mentality to make a successful career for himself. In 2 years he'll be playing spfl championship football, at best.MisterC been round at your house? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBluenose1972 1,405 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 We, as a club and a fanbase, have never had the patience to really have a go at developing young players. We expect, and quickly, we demand consistency from kids learning the game, and slate them for mistakes.Maurice Ross, Charlie Adam even Hamed Namouchi are players that were given an extended chance to be part on the first team squad, and the fans did not like them.A couple of year back it was Kal Naismith getting pelters, and Hegarty and Perry and Hutton - currently Fraser Aird isn't good enough according to the same moaning bunch.We can't have it both ways on this.And this is why fans would never of stood for a youth team through the leagues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evenstevens 890 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Because he was mostly playing for us (or not) while a large number of young players at that level get some game time at a higher level than us.In the limited games he has played for scumdee he has win POM in that league. It would be a fair assumption to say that he is improving. He is 19 FFS. No one is saying we would have built a team around him but I bet you a decent coach would have developed him to be an established team player within our squad by now.I told the story from before last Xmas when I was talking to young Scott Allen now at hivs. He couldn't have made it any clearer what the young lads think of MCCoist and his coaching.Even young Lewis Macleod will wonder how far he could go while he is playing under him. Deep down he knows his strengths and best position.The more he is shunted to LM to accommodate the might of Ian Black and Nicky Law the more he will realise that his potential is being hampered. I didn't read that Scott Allan story so genuinely, what did he say?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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