cushynumber 25,178 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Why oh why have we waited so long into the season to play a formation away from home that makes us harder to break down and which the players actually looked relatively comfortable when the other team had the ball? We kept it nice and tight and stuck to our shape when they had the ball and the ease with which teams were able to cut through us previously simply wasn't visible this time. If we had adopted this at the start of the season for away games (a real "plan B" not just a empty phrase of "do plan A better") we would be a lot closer to Aberdeen and potentially already in 2nd. Its galling that Warburton couldnt find it in himself to be able to organise a team the way that one of our youth coaches has. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDFM 3,809 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Warburton is a bam. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz52 11,837 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Safe to say we've had 3 performances out of Murty that we'd never have got from Warburton. I defend the guy but I think it's becoming clear to me as well that we badly needed rid of him. He was too nice. He was scared to drop his regulars. Halliday wasn't even in the squad yesterday.. He'd have started if MW was still in charge no doubt. Good shout leaving Toral out as well as that game wouldn't have suited him at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlippinEck 3,708 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Gaz52 said: Safe to say we've had 3 performances out of Murty that we'd never have got from Warburton. I defend the guy but I think it's becoming clear to me as well that we badly needed rid of him. He was too nice. He was scared to drop his regulars. Halliday wasn't even in the squad yesterday.. He'd have started if MW was still in charge no doubt. Good shout leaving Toral out as well as that game wouldn't have suited him at all. Toral would have ended up like Krancjar in the first game, closed down and looking lost I reckon. Good decision not to play him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy1984 6,314 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Gaz52 said: Safe to say we've had 3 performances out of Murty that we'd never have got from Warburton. I defend the guy but I think it's becoming clear to me as well that we badly needed rid of him. He was too nice. He was scared to drop his regulars. Halliday wasn't even in the squad yesterday.. He'd have started if MW was still in charge no doubt. Good shout leaving Toral out as well as that game wouldn't have suited him at all. Halliday was ruled out yesterday. Think it was illness rather than injury but not sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy1984 6,314 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 1 minute ago, FlippinEck said: Toral would have ended up like Krancjar in the first game, closed down and looking lost I reckon. Good decision not to play him. Like Halliday, toral was ruled out. Back problem Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlippinEck 3,708 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Just now, billsim1984 said: Like Halliday, toral was ruled out. Back problem Ah right, was unsure, didn't get a chance to look at the line up in the lead up to the game as was running late getting into the ground! Regardless, he got it spot on with the players he did pick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy1984 6,314 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Just now, FlippinEck said: Ah right, was unsure, didn't get a chance to look at the line up in the lead up to the game as was running late getting into the ground! It's always a rush getting into that dump Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlippinEck 3,708 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Just now, billsim1984 said: It's always a rush getting into that dump Aye, we stopped off at a boozer for a quick drink on the way so was probably our fault and they park us fucking miles away now Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulboy 2,518 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, billsim1984 said: Halliday was ruled out yesterday. Think it was illness rather than injury but not sure. Said one had back problem other had hamstring problem can't remember which had which that's why HallIday and Toral never started yesterday Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalfollower 1,543 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Warburton was too arrogant and over confident to change it up too much. Add the fact he would defend the same players that made the same mistakes. Now I'm not saying a public slamming but when you try and cover up individual mistakes by saying a team mistake then it could never get fixed. Enoigh of that anyway. I'm just glad that murty wasn't a carbon copy of warburton Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy1984 6,314 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 1 minute ago, FlippinEck said: Aye, we stopped off at a boozer for a quick drink on the way so was probably our fault and they park us fucking miles away now Used to be handy when we parked at that bit o waste ground where the emirates arena now stands. Could get bevy in the bushes over the other side. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy1984 6,314 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, soulboy said: Said one was ill other had hamstring problem can't remember which had which that's why HallIday not Toral started yesterday Was sure it was Halliday ill and toral a back problem, could be wrong though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack The Flipper 5,936 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 "we're a generation of men raised by women, (picks up a framed photo of Warburton) I'm not sure another woman is what we need" What the board said to each other before appointing Pedro - the man's man... Mans man man's man. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 The formation is better, but what struck me yesterday was how much the players wanted it. Warburton just couldn't get that out of the team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 Just now, Creampuff said: The formation is better, but what struck me yesterday was how much the players wanted it. Warburton just couldn't get that out of the team. I think they wanted it because they were comfortable playing that way - they knew there was no chance of an embarrassment. With MW's 4-3-3 - there was always the chance of an embarrassing result. And players are not going to get on board with the chance to get humiliated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry handsome 629 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 1 hour ago, cushynumber said: Why oh why have we waited so long into the season to play a formation away from home that makes us harder to break down and which the players actually looked relatively comfortable when the other team had the ball? We kept it nice and tight and stuck to our shape when they had the ball and the ease with which teams were able to cut through us previously simply wasn't visible this time. If we had adopted this at the start of the season for away games (a real "plan B" not just a empty phrase of "do plan A better") we would be a lot closer to Aberdeen and potentially already in 2nd. Its galling that Warburton couldnt find it in himself to be able to organise a team the way that one of our youth coaches has. Firstly - it was all about Warburtons arrogance and limited experience in the game. I think the shape really suited us, we did lose it a few times for a period of time but once we got it back we looked solid. I also think the 4 across the middle stifled McKay but suited Windass who i thought ran straight at the heart of them and put them on the back foot, wonder how his big mate would look in a middle 4. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 74,195 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Murty got his tactics spot on. Their two best players play on the left hand side, stop them and you stand a chance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid2103 285 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Can't really fault the team yesterday, only had one big mistake and that was down to Holt, Waghorn could have, and should have been more clinical, but they 2 points aside I think everything else must've went to plan for Murty. They had few chances to score against us, we looked organized and ready to break at any given opportunity, and their 2 £90million stars were basically non-existent. Should've won yesterday, but after our season I'm quite content with a point right now, and we've fired a massive warning shot to the filth, semi final is far more interesting now! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoGeo7 10,560 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 2 hours ago, cushynumber said: Why oh why have we waited so long into the season to play a formation away from home that makes us harder to break down and which the players actually looked relatively comfortable when the other team had the ball? We kept it nice and tight and stuck to our shape when they had the ball and the ease with which teams were able to cut through us previously simply wasn't visible this time. If we had adopted this at the start of the season for away games (a real "plan B" not just a empty phrase of "do plan A better") we would be a lot closer to Aberdeen and potentially already in 2nd. Its galling that Warburton couldnt find it in himself to be able to organise a team the way that one of our youth coaches has. Warburton either didn't see it therefore completely incompetent or he refused to do anything about it therefore stubborn and arrogant. Spotting weaknesses in your own team and others is part of the job. Some see it develop as a match progresses and changes formation or style during the game. Others only spot trends develop over a season and start to work on it during training. Then you have the rest like warburton who has blind faith that his way will work eventually or just don't know how to change things. Either way warburton was shown up by an U20s manager who showed that this squad can be decent if organised correctly. Hopefully Pedro will live up to his words with regards to being obsessed with planning and organisation. Not really surprising as he is mates with Jose who has dossiers on other teams. So pleased Warburton is gone before any more damage could be done in another transfer window. While Pedro will have his own style hopefully he doesn't sign players that take us too far down one path. Warburton bought lightweight players who were nimble, good at passing (or at least meant to be) and this is the reason why our midfield is too powderpuff. You need a good blend in the squad to make your tactics before and during a game flexible and versatile enough to do more than swap like for like on 60 mins. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivybank 4,594 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 27 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said: Murty got his tactics spot on. Their two best players play on the left hand side, stop them and you stand a chance. And warburton being here for a year and a half couldn't that see once, he never bothered about the oppositions formation or players,scandalous Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 74,195 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ivybank said: And warburton being here for a year and a half couldn't that see once, he never bothered about the oppositions formation or players,scandalous Exactly mate. The game at Hogmaneigh you could see a mile off that Sinclair was starting to roast Tav yet warburton never reacted. The rest is history. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NixonRFC 1,359 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 3 hours ago, cushynumber said: Why oh why have we waited so long into the season to play a formation away from home that makes us harder to break down and which the players actually looked relatively comfortable when the other team had the ball? We kept it nice and tight and stuck to our shape when they had the ball and the ease with which teams were able to cut through us previously simply wasn't visible this time. If we had adopted this at the start of the season for away games (a real "plan B" not just a empty phrase of "do plan A better") we would be a lot closer to Aberdeen and potentially already in 2nd. Its galling that Warburton couldnt find it in himself to be able to organise a team the way that one of our youth coaches has. I know what you're saying mate but we should be going at most teams away from home, if we played 4411 against Inverness the fans would be going bonkers, against that mob its acceptable to be more conservative. I think its now clearly obvious who was helping out Murty, that had Walter Smith wrote all over it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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