blueballss 2,971 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,287 Posted May 20, 2017 Author Share Posted May 20, 2017 23 hours ago, Paulie Walnuts said: Reckon we could've won that against an ageing Milan side? Well Marseilles beat them but they couldn't beat us. Another interesting point arising from that season was the 3 foreigners rule still in place which perhaps indicates why we have never been quite as good since? I can't help feeling that having good home based players in the ranks improves any team Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,287 Posted May 20, 2017 Author Share Posted May 20, 2017 23 hours ago, markem said: Those fucking loonies screaming about EBT's in the comments. They fucking need help, they really do. It's a good point how could UEFA sanction the removal of titles for a tax scheme that a lot of clubs in this country were using when they looked the other way when tapie was guilty of gross foul play by bribing everything that moved Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helicopter Sundae 6,044 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 21 hours ago, docspiderman said: I thought the CSKA game at Ibrox was the reason we did not make it. We had to beat CSKA and it ended 0:0. Marseille just had to win, and beat Bruges 1:0 away. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,287 Posted May 20, 2017 Author Share Posted May 20, 2017 20 minutes ago, Helicopter Sundae said: We had to beat CSKA and it ended 0:0. Marseille just had to win, and beat Bruges 1:0 away. Yes but Marseilles had tapie and his brown envelope filled with used 100s pushed under the door of the gents toilets Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
With Heart and Hand 8,949 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 I wasn't old enough to understand the magnitude of this at the time but it still hurts to think about. Our team at that time certainly deserved some European glory but got unlucky on so many occasions Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Widow's Son 399 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 I've thought long and hard (and often) of the Marseille game and anyone that has listened to me has heard me state that: we had the beating of them that night. We lost our bottle when we realised where we were and how close were were to the final. Still remember Big Fat Ron commenting on Big Slim's "lack of recovery pace", the first time I had ever heard that phrase. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieD 18,992 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 On 2017-5-19 at 5:52 PM, writingranger said: I know this is all true but I've never felt aggrieved because although we drew twice with Marseille, we were outplayed. You don't consider it possible that we were outplayed because they were off their tits on performance-enhancing drugs AND were well-rested due to match-fixing in the league allowing them to manage their key players' game time? And they still couldn't beat us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlegKuznetsov 10,816 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Me neither. Especially when you hear the words of referee, Kurt Tschenscher, who actually admitted recently that he was bribed by one of their board and fixed the match. P.S. Sorry. Thought you were talking about 1967. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie1963 2,357 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 A lot of the bribery scandals seem to involve Belgian teams. Anyone seen the Nottm Forest v Anderlecht where the player dived about 2 feet away from Forest player and ref gave pen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlegKuznetsov 10,816 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Regarding 1992-93, I always had question marks over the referee who sent Hateley off against Bruges in the penultimate match, for wrestling himself free of a headlock from Lorenzo Staelens. From about 24:30 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
writingranger 1,423 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 1 hour ago, JamieD said: You don't consider it possible that we were outplayed because they were off their tits on performance-enhancing drugs AND were well-rested due to match-fixing in the league allowing them to manage their key players' game time? And they still couldn't beat us. well if you put it like that... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miracle 7,819 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Both Milan and Marseille played pish in the final, we could have taken either of them that night. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markem 7,287 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Just now, miracle said: Both Milan and Marseille played pish in the final, we could have taken either of them that night. yup, without a doubt. Boli get the goal? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miracle 7,819 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 It was indeed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenerife Bear 1,748 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 23 hours ago, Thermopylae said: Well Marseilles beat them but they couldn't beat us. Another interesting point arising from that season was the 3 foreigners rule still in place which perhaps indicates why we have never been quite as good since? I can't help feeling that having good home based players in the ranks improves any team Gordon, Tierney, Brown, Forrest, Armstrong, McGregor, Griffiths. Full domestic season unbeaten and treble pending. :( Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markem 7,287 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 On 19/05/2017 at 9:25 PM, Queen's_highway said: We really need to get over it. It wasn't fair but it happened so long ago. No reason why it's an unreasonable point of discussion like any other part of our history. Its not like folk are greeting about it every other week. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SasaPapacLoyal 348 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 On 19 May 2017 at 9:25 PM, Queen's_highway said: We really need to get over it. It wasn't fair but it happened so long ago. Aye the 5 threads about it over the last couple of weeks has been overkill tbh. What we really need is a thread about what players should leave and who should stay this summer Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ibrox Derry 8,931 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 On 2017-5-19 at 8:07 PM, Terry Hurlock Loyal said: Blew it, barring a screamer from Durrant. The home game, Marseille tore us apart and we were lucky to get a draw out of it. What a great side we had, can't believe we are never likely to see that quality again. Neither will Marseille, Bruges or CSKA Moscow I suppose.That was the greatest season for me as a fan. Winning the treble at the Piggery, and 1 goal way from a European Cup Final (if we had won in the Veledrome we would have been through to the Final). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlegKuznetsov 10,816 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, The Ibrox Derry said: Neither will Marseille, Bruges or CSKA Moscow I suppose.That was the greatest season for me as a fan. Winning the treble at the Piggery, and 1 goal way from a European Cup Final (if we had won in the Veledrome we would have been through to the Final). We were effectively semi-finalists that year, as we were in the top 4 of the tournament, which was a staggering achievement from a team from a nation the size of Scotland in the modern era. Of course, the media massively downplayed it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,287 Posted May 22, 2017 Author Share Posted May 22, 2017 On 5/21/2017 at 4:01 PM, Tenerife Bear said: Gordon, Tierney, Brown, Forrest, Armstrong, McGregor, Griffiths. Full domestic season unbeaten and treble pending. :( HMRC treble ... unlike all the rest this one wasn't won on the park Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubie92 1,074 Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 On 2017-5-20 at 4:17 PM, Thermopylae said: Well Marseilles beat them but they couldn't beat us. Another interesting point arising from that season was the 3 foreigners rule still in place which perhaps indicates why we have never been quite as good since? I can't help feeling that having good home based players in the ranks improves any team The three foreigner rule being scrapped, combined with the Bosman ruling, meant clubs could fill teams with foreign players, many of whom would ask for less in wages; it led to plenty of teams ignoring player development in favour of buying established foreigners. That and the footballing landscape was changed by the money Sky pumped into the Premier League, and the Champions League opening up to more than just domestic champions. If we still had the old European format of CL, CWC and UC then I think teams such as ourselves, Celtic, Ajax, PSV etc would still be in better health and of bigger standing. Even if the bigger leagues got a second place in the CL qualifiers, it still wouldn't be the closed shop that European football has become. UEFA seemed to realise only too late that they'd fucked the UC long term, and I don't think the CL place for the winners can repair that damage in the way they hope. (It might hopefully lead to English teams and the English media taking the competition more seriously though.) I still don't agree with the three foreigner rule being binned. I get it's against EU law, but so is buying & selling employees; the transfer market is essentially a cattle market for players. It's strange how some parts of EU employment law apply and not others... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,287 Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 19 hours ago, Aubie92 said: The three foreigner rule being scrapped, combined with the Bosman ruling, meant clubs could fill teams with foreign players, many of whom would ask for less in wages; it led to plenty of teams ignoring player development in favour of buying established foreigners. That and the footballing landscape was changed by the money Sky pumped into the Premier League, and the Champions League opening up to more than just domestic champions. If we still had the old European format of CL, CWC and UC then I think teams such as ourselves, Celtic, Ajax, PSV etc would still be in better health and of bigger standing. Even if the bigger leagues got a second place in the CL qualifiers, it still wouldn't be the closed shop that European football has become. UEFA seemed to realise only too late that they'd fucked the UC long term, and I don't think the CL place for the winners can repair that damage in the way they hope. (It might hopefully lead to English teams and the English media taking the competition more seriously though.) I still don't agree with the three foreigner rule being binned. I get it's against EU law, but so is buying & selling employees; the transfer market is essentially a cattle market for players. It's strange how some parts of EU employment law apply and not others... Who knows it's just about possible in the fullness of time that the EU will be binned Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macranger 296 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 On 5/19/2017 at 10:09 PM, blueballss said: us older bears were there both games, what a team they had...but the ability and never say die attitude we had was something else!! mullered for 70 mins at Ibrox, Rudi Voeller unreal, but in end could have won it Marseille, what an experience, IMO we were just as good as them on the night, so close but yet so far, can i remember the canopy over us at their ground, stuff getting thrown all over the place on us? Voeller with the famous "F**k off ya german b**tard from Andy Goram pmsl. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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