Morelos to leave before the end of February [Rocksport Radio]

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11 minutes ago, eskbankloyal said:

Given the money guys like Niko, Pena (before he left), Alves & Herrera are picking up it#'s hardly a surprise he wants a new deal - and he fully deserves it. 

Whilst on the whole we have had an excellent window the squad is far too heavy, reckon we have around 30 first team players, we realistically need maybe 8 or so out the door, which if lets say on an average of £8k p/w would be an extra £64k a week to play with which could could towards new deals for Morelos & Tav and any new additions. 

Still a lot of money being wasted unfortunately. 

Yup. We don't half waste fortunes on players who just don't contribute nearly enough.

Hopefully this starts getting properly addressed in summer with all those out of contract released. Miller, Niko, Hardie, and even Bates.

Those who play but I'd ideally move on are Alves and Pena permanently. And wallace.

But it's the other category of non contributors that MA will earn his money to move on:- MoH, Rossiter, Dodoo, Forrester, Thomson, Hodson, Herrera, Cardoso and others I've probably missed.

We'd be in a far stronger position if we attracted better players and paid them well, supplemented by the best of youth, than middle of the road average type ones who earn a wage far superior than the value they give for it.

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6 minutes ago, Smile said:

sell sell sell.

You Barry ferguson

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1 hour ago, LaudrupsPatrickBoots said:

Not sure what the point is here tbh mate. Surely that's how it would work?

He wants a pay rise so he gets his agents to negotiate it?

His point is the eye catching bit is Morelos is DEMANDING a new contract, but the bit that’s actually closer to the truth is his agents want to talk about a new deal. There’s a a big difference. This was always going to be on the cards anyway, he deserves a better contract even without the interest from China. This is just more shit stirring from the media. 

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28 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

This happens a lot with young players who are showing a bit of potential - where they very quickly want all the trappings football can offer - cars, golden unicorns, fancy shiny things, women who like the botox - without working hard and grafting to establish themselves as a valuable asset and bring success to the club paying their wage - I know it's a relatively short career but this kind of attitude, especially at 21, is going to see him bounce from club to club.

Is this the impression you have of Morelos? He didn't give himself the circa £8m valuation you know...

28 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

as you said, he's been here 5 mins, won fuck all yet and needs to get a season playing well and scoring goals regularly before he can negotiate anything..

He's the league's top scorer and has outgunned others who are valued far higher and paid far more than he is. And if reports are to be believed he's on the lower end of our pay scale despite now being our most valuable asset.

Why us his value dependent on the team winning a cup or two? The league and CL appearances yes, but are you saying if we'd won the league cup this would justify a higher salary in some way.

In 6 months he's topping the goals charts and is now an 8m valued player. Is it not right morally and in a business sense that both parties should seek renegotiation.

 

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1 minute ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said:

Is this the impression you have of Morelos? He didn't give himself the circa £8m valuation you know...

He's the league's top scorer and has outgunned others who are valued far higher and paid far more than he is. And if reports are to be believed he's on the lower end of our pay scale despite now being our most valuable asset.

Why us his value dependent on the team winning a cup or two? The league and CL appearances yes, but are you saying if we'd won the league cup this would justify a higher salary in some way.

In 6 months he's topping the goals charts and is now an 8m valued player. Is it not right morally and in a business sense that both parties should seek renegotiation.

 

So if he's shite the rest of the season can we pay him less ?

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1 minute ago, sassaaaa said:

So if he's shite the rest of the season can we pay him less ?

No he's contracted, don't be ridiculous.

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Just now, Sportingintegritymyarse said:

No he's contracted, don't be ridiculous.

He's a certainty to be going at the end of the season , dunno why we need to give him more money now.

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Just now, sassaaaa said:

He's a certainty to be going at the end of the season , dunno why we need to give him more money now.

Agree he's getting well paid for the job he's supposed to do and was happy to sign the contract.

I could see if he had won us something and excelled he done maybe better than expected given he was bought as potential but he's a lot to learn yet.

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Just now, sassaaaa said:

He's a certainty to be going at the end of the season , dunno why we need to give him more money now.

If we pay a bit more just now and lengthen the contract it gives us an even stronger hand in the summer. Pretty sensible approach to making the player feel better rewarded as closer to his true value which should in turn make him perform better. Win win.

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Just now, Smile said:

Agree he's getting well paid for the job he's supposed to do and was happy to sign the contract.

I could see if he had won us something and excelled he done maybe better than expected given he was bought as potential but he's a lot to learn yet.

Guys contracted to 2020 , and is a stick on for leaving in May/June. We shouldn't be paying anymore cash in wages to him or anyone else who's leaving.

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20 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said:

Yup. We don't half waste fortunes on players who just don't contribute nearly enough.

Hopefully this starts getting properly addressed in summer with all those out of contract released. Miller, Niko, Hardie, and even Bates.

Those who play but I'd ideally move on are Alves and Pena permanently. And wallace.

But it's the other category of non contributors that MA will earn his money to move on:- MoH, Rossiter, Dodoo, Forrester, Thomson, Hodson, Herrera, Cardoso and others I've probably missed.

We'd be in a far stronger position if we attracted better players and paid them well, supplemented by the best of youth, than middle of the road average type ones who earn a wage far superior than the value they give for it.

A young defender who has held his own the last few big games? 

Young players with potential are the sort we should be keeping 

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I would have no issue with this at all. He clearly is one of our most highly rated players. By turning down his transfer we have stopped him earning a large salary also, while at the same time Murty has come out and stated how vital and important he is. 

Give him a new contract with a pay rise and include either a buy out clause or a sell on percent take. Then it’s a win-win situation. 

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Just now, sassaaaa said:

Guys contracted to 2020 , and is a stick on for leaving in May/June. We shouldn't be paying anymore cash in wages to him or anyone else who's leaving.

Exactly some businessmen these posters lets give him more so we lose out on the eventual transfer. 

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1 minute ago, Smile said:

Agree he's getting well paid for the job he's supposed to do and was happy to sign the contract.

I could see if he had won us something and excelled he done maybe better than expected given he was bought as potential but he's a lot to learn yet.

Again, he's the league's top scorer, he's doing his bit, his rocketing valuations suggest others value his ability and potential. Its not his job alone to win us something to say he then justified his value.

As previously, if Halliday Niko and Alves played in a winning Scottish cup team do their values increase as they've won us something?

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1 minute ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said:

If we pay a bit more just now and lengthen the contract it gives us an even stronger hand in the summer. Pretty sensible approach to making the player feel better rewarded as closer to his true value which should in turn make him perform better. Win win.

Doesn't make any sense , because we pay him more he's going to be worth more money if we transfer him ? He's going to go for around the 8-10m mark on the money he's on now. Its ridiculous throwing more cash at him now.

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Well his form deserves it.

Guys like Niko, Herrera and Rossiter are on more while doing hee haw to deserve it.

We need to make sure his head doesn't go down because then his value will drop too.  

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Just now, Sportingintegritymyarse said:

Again, he's the league's top scorer, he's doing his bit, his rocketing valuations suggest others value his ability and potential. Its not his job alone to win us something to say he then justified his value.

As previously, if Halliday Niko and Alves played in a winning Scottish cup team do their values increase as they've won us something?

1 goal if front of Boyd in a league that's piss poor he has a contract lets not be stupid and give him and his agent our profit. 

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Just now, sassaaaa said:

Doesn't make any sense , because we pay him more he's going to be worth more money if we transfer him ? He's going to go for around the 8-10m mark on the money he's on now. Its ridiculous throwing more cash at him now.

Yes. If he has a lengthier contract by default (ie we don't NEED to sell as contract has run down) then it strengthens our hand in dealings. Have you honestly never seen this tactic applied by clubs in advance of them selling players in forthcoming windows?

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Just now, The Godfather said:

Well his form deserves it.

Guys like Niko, Herrera and Rossiter are on more while doing hee haw to deserve it.

We need to make sure his head doesn't go down because then his value will drop too.  

They were considered better at the time so got better contracts, Understandable we do not get to pay them less because they have underperformed.

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He'll be off in the summer anyway so why make him one of the highest paid players for the sake of 6 months.

 

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I would say to his agent that we double his wages if he scores x amount by the end of the season and more importantly we will not stand in his way if a bid that was acceptable comes in.

That way they both know that he will be getting more provided he delivers for the rest of the season.

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1 minute ago, Amac9 said:

He'll be off in the summer anyway so why make him one of the highest paid players for the sake of 6 months.

 

Because we love wasting cash , its what we are good at...........

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Wee Alfredo was really pally with Penna the entire time he was here so it's more than likely he will be aware what he was on.

That fat useless cunt still continues to cost us and he's not even here anymore. What an expensive mistake that was...... Cheers Pedro! 

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2 minutes ago, Amac9 said:

He'll be off in the summer anyway so why make him one of the highest paid players for the sake of 6 months.

 

Unless we write  in more money bigger cut for us into the contract I agree as it's just throwing money away at a player and agent money we would have to take off the eventual sale.

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2 minutes ago, Smile said:

1 goal if front of Boyd in a league that's piss poor he has a contract lets not be stupid and give him and his agent our profit. 

If the bids are to be believed and there's no reason they aren't true then unlike Boyd we have an 8m player in our squad. He wasn't that when he came and signed the contract but he is now.

It's naive to suggest we would get away with rewarding that success by saying fuck you we're going to keep paying you like a 1m player at the bottom of our payscale now fuck off out my office and keep on scoring goals...