AGM_72 3,729 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Hopefully the boy comes back, stays injury free and has a good pre-season. Then we can see whether he’s worth keeping on or binning. The way Gerrard talks about who he can trust etc in the squad, you have to wonder how he’s going to treat the loan guys when they return - whether they’re going to get a shot or if they’ll be off regardless. Are any of the guys on loan much of an upgrade on what we have? I’m not sure. Blueteeth 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 43,619 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Would like to see him and Docherty get a chance as they're better options than Coulibaly and Davis, but can't see it somehow. Think Gerrard sent both down there to get in the shop window for the summer and bring in a bit extra dough in the transfer budget. We need to improve far more than a Rossiter or a Docherty can give us right now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman36 3,456 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Not good enough for us as demonstrated by the years he was with us. Very quickly proving to be good enough for Bury. In what way does the evidence point towards him being good enough for us? Get him sold to them or an equivalent team. Sign on clause in the contract and jobs a good'un. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Ger 5 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 On 27/02/2019 at 06:43, TMB said: Assuming Rossiter gets fit and comes back do we really need another defensive midfielder? What this team needs is another player like Arfield who can create and score goals because right now we're overly dependent on him. When did Arfield start creating and scoring goals?? I must have missed it. 😟 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 31,273 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Gman36 said: Not good enough for us as demonstrated by the years he was with us. Very quickly proving to be good enough for Bury. In what way does the evidence point towards him being good enough for us? Get him sold to them or an equivalent team. Sign on clause in the contract and jobs a good'un. How do you, I or anyone else know he is not good enough to play for us? We have barely seen him. Or is this just another youngster we quickly write off? Lets give him a chance now that he is fit and see for ourselves if his reputation precedes him. Personally, I think there is a player there on limited times I've seen him. teddybear1975, magic8ball and siddiqi_drinker 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic8ball 27,901 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, bluenoz said: How do you, I or anyone else know he is not good enough to play for us? We have barely seen him. Or is this just another youngster we quickly write off? Lets give him a chance now that he is fit and see for ourselves if his reputation precedes him. Personally, I think there is a player there on limited times I've seen him. on a couple of occasions.he was the best player on the pitch .the 5 5 game against the spoon burners an example. in preseason I can remember Gerrard say he was the best footballer in the squad . Hope he stays fit and signs a new deal Bluekev and bluenoz 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluekev 44,487 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Original Ger said: When did Arfield start creating and scoring goals?? I must have missed it. 😟 He’s got 6 goals and 6 assists this season johanhentze 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth_Campsie_Ger 18,059 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Bury haven't payed his wages apparently Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Ger 5 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 15 hours ago, Bluekev said: He’s got 6 goals and 6 assists this season As a team we have scored a 100 goals this season, his contribution to that is mnimal considering he is supposed to be an attacking midfielder and plays nearly every game. Young Middleton has as good if not better record and he doesn’t play. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersMedia 35,961 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 13 hours ago, Perth_Campsie_Ger said: Bury haven't payed his wages apparently as in, Rangers are paying 100% of his wages or Bury are meant to be paying him but have failed to? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 14,693 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, Original Ger said: As a team we have scored a 100 goals this season, his contribution to that is mnimal considering he is supposed to be an attacking midfielder and plays nearly every game. Young Middleton has as good if not better record and he doesn’t play. pish Middleton has scored 2 in 14 and 2 assists- plays wide (1:7) Arfield has 7 in 24 with 6 assists and plays more central (1:3.3) Middleton is nothing more than a squad player at best, infact I’d punt him back to the unders as he’s been promoted to the first squad way too early Bluekev 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth_Campsie_Ger 18,059 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 30 minutes ago, psb07158 said: as in, Rangers are paying 100% of his wages or Bury are meant to be paying him but have failed to? Bury are meant to and haven't I believe. They never payed any of their staff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC Eagle 4,888 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, Perth_Campsie_Ger said: Bury are meant to and haven't I believe. They never payed any of their staff Its only the last lot of wages due and linked to financial restrictions following the recent takeover. He has been paid up to this point. It appears to be a temporary issue that is being resolved. Perth_Campsie_Ger 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluekev 44,487 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 51 minutes ago, Original Ger said: As a team we have scored a 100 goals this season, his contribution to that is mnimal considering he is supposed to be an attacking midfielder and plays nearly every game. Young Middleton has as good if not better record and he doesn’t play. Middleton showed promise at the beginning but soon got found out by the opposition. He needs to improve in all areas of his game before he is a regular in the first team. Airfield is our 3rd top scorer behind Tav the penalty taker and Morelos. HG5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 43 minutes ago, Perth_Campsie_Ger said: Bury are meant to and haven't I believe. They never payed any of their staff Bury aren't paying any more than 10-20% of his wages. There's absolutely no chance they're paying his full 10k per week. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 1 hour ago, KeyserSoze said: pish Middleton has scored 2 in 14 and 2 assists- plays wide (1:7) Arfield has 7 in 24 with 6 assists and plays more central (1:3.3) Middleton is nothing more than a squad player at best, infact I’d punt him back to the unders as he’s been promoted to the first squad way too early Middleton is 5 goals, 5 assists in 28 appearances (1120 minutes) Arfield has scored 8 and created 7 in 41 appearances. (3180 minutes) Ryan Kent scored 6 and created 9 in 39 appearances (3129 minutes) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 14,693 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 26 minutes ago, The Dude said: Middleton is 5 goals, 5 assists in 28 appearances (1120 minutes) Arfield has scored 8 and created 7 in 41 appearances. (3180 minutes) Ryan Kent scored 6 and created 9 in 39 appearances (3129 minutes) Yes but 3x5=15 which is half of 60 isn’t it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 14,693 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 27 minutes ago, The Dude said: Middleton is 5 goals, 5 assists in 28 appearances (1120 minutes) Arfield has scored 8 and created 7 in 41 appearances. (3180 minutes) Ryan Kent scored 6 and created 9 in 39 appearances (3129 minutes) Just this season Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Ger 5 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 35 minutes ago, The Dude said: Middleton is 5 goals, 5 assists in 28 appearances (1120 minutes) Arfield has scored 8 and created 7 in 41 appearances. (3180 minutes) Ryan Kent scored 6 and created 9 in 39 appearances (3129 minutes) Point proven 👏 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluekev 44,487 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, Original Ger said: Point proven 👏 And this season Middleton scored 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 24 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said: Yes but 3x5=15 which is half of 60 isn’t it? No. 30 is half of 60. 15 is quarter of it. KeyserSoze 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, Bluekev said: And this season Middleton scored 2 Apart form the three other goals he's scored. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman36 3,456 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 18 hours ago, bluenoz said: How do you, I or anyone else know he is not good enough to play for us? We have barely seen him. Or is this just another youngster we quickly write off? Lets give him a chance now that he is fit and see for ourselves if his reputation precedes him. Personally, I think there is a player there on limited times I've seen him. He's been with us two and a half years and barely played. Was apparently fit this season bit deemed not good enough to start. He's now 22 and was not able to make it at either Liverpool or Rangers. The fact he's showing promise with Bury further proves that being at Rangers was a level too high for him. He was fit enough for the progres games, what use was he there? He looked good for 60 minutes against hivs - the last game of the season which we should have won but didn't. What use was he there? Helped steer us to a poor draw in the last game of the season? What kind of evidence is that of a talent worth persisting with after three years of almost no contribution? I'm not saying he'll never be good enough but on the available evidence he is not worth retaining. Move him on to Bury in the hope of a move further up with a sell on clause. There's a massive halo effect with this guy in the fact that he looks and has the mannerisms of a young Steven gerrard. If he looked nothing like Gerrard and was from somewhere in scotland folk wouldn't be giving him a second thought. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluekev 44,487 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, The Dude said: Apart form the three other goals he's scored. This season in the league he’s had 14 appearances and 2 goals Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Bluekev said: This season in the league he’s had 14 appearances and 2 goals Lucky then that we haven't just played in the league then isn't it? Nobody says Morelos has scored only 17 goals this season but that's his league tally. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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