Jimfanciesthedude 24,552 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 Just now, DBBTB said: Guardiola has won a comparable number of trophies in two thirds of the time. Jose has won the CL more times and with more than one team, thats the big prize for guys like that, Peps a great coach, greatest ever, not a chance graeme_4 and ayrshireranger 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,552 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 Just now, ForeverAndEver said: Yes, of course they do. Everything will all be rosy when he wins it next year then and he'll then be the best? Wins what next year? The CL? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,511 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 Just now, Jimbeamjunior said: Wins what next year? The CL? Yes, if he wins it next year will he then be the best? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR3 12,690 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 just woke up from a mad one and see ForeverandEver is in here posting about the champions league still raging, good stuff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,793 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Jose has won the CL more times and with more than one team, thats the big prize for guys like that, Peps a great coach, greatest ever, not a chance They’ve both won it twice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,552 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 Just now, ForeverAndEver said: Yes, if he wins it next year will he then be the best? Arguably yes, doing it with more than one team is massive, hence why jose is above him imo as overall better managerial career, but pep can at least be included in that category then Until then, wether people admit it or not, pep will be the manager that took arguably the best barca side in history to two CL titles and won domestic honour since Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR3 12,690 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 Google is saying Guardiola has won 31 trophies, Mourihno 22 FWIW Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 73,929 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 minute ago, DBBTB said: They’ve both won it twice. Mourinho won it with Porto and Inter. Pep won it with possibly the greatest club side and player in history. BridgeIsBlue, King Jela and Jimfanciesthedude 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,552 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Rangers_no1 said: How has Mourinho won way more? League titles - 9 to 8 for Pep CL - 2 all Cups - 9 to 8 for Pep Pep has more super cup wins. Only thing Mourinho has over Guardiola is Uefa cup wins because he's never been in that tournament. And as mentioned about in a lot less time, behave and stop lying. mourinho won the CL with 2 different clubs and if we really wanna say it, took an unfancied man united to the europa league, pep did the CL twice in 3 years with barca then never came close until last night where he dropped the ball again, thats after spending half a billion pounds overall on that city team Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,793 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Arguably yes, doing it with more than one team is massive, hence why jose is above him imo as overall better managerial career, but pep can at least be included in that category then Until then, wether people admit it or not, pep will be the manager that took arguably the best barca side in history to two CL titles and won domestic honour since He’ll also be remembered as the coach who built and moulded the best Barcelona side in history too... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR3 12,690 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 Sir Alex is still the best ever imho Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,552 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, CR3 said: Google is saying Guardiola has won 31 trophies, Mourihno 22 FWIW Im sure spending half a bill to win multpile carabao cups was in the saudis game plan lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,552 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 minute ago, DBBTB said: He’ll also be remembered as the coach who built and moulded the best Barcelona side in history too... Built? 9 of his starting 11 for his first CL win were there before he got the job The ingredients were all there, he just needed a recipe, and he did come up with some recipe, but at the end of the day he walked into a team with guys like messi, xavi, iniesta, puyol, eto etc Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurrayWilson 3,393 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 Guardiola has won more than morihno. Its a simple fact. But what morihno achieved with porto eclipses what guardiola has done as far as im concerned. The last of the non "super clubs" to win the champions league and will probably remain the last ever to do it . Takes some beating that. Jimfanciesthedude and ayrshireranger 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart1994 4,303 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 28 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said: You could and I'd tell you he took over an average City team and won 3 leagues, one being a treble and got a CL final Barely average when they were champions 2 years before he was there and champions league semi finalists, Dortmund were bang mid table when Klopp took over them a bit of a difference, and that’s before you Chuck in the money. Jimfanciesthedude and ayrshireranger 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR3 12,690 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Im sure spending half a bill to win multpile carabao cups was in the saudis game plan lol don't get me wrong. You know I love the fact he's been shite in Europe for 10 years? Definitely found out. Jimfanciesthedude 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,552 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, DBBTB said: They’ve both won it twice. i took chelseas CL win as his as i knew he'd won something else in europe, united europa league win i was mixing it up with And if my memory isnt going again, he out thought pep when inter put barca out the CL when jose won it with them Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,552 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 minute ago, stuart1994 said: Barely average when they were champions 2 years before he was there and champions league semi finalists, Dortmund were bang mid table when Klopp took over them a bit of a difference, and that’s before you Chuck in the money. Ouch, that average city side were shite back then Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,793 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Built? 9 of his starting 11 for his first CL win were there before he got the job The ingredients were all there, he just needed a recipe, and he did come up with some recipe, but at the end of the day he walked into a team with guys like messi, xavi, iniesta, puyol, eto etc Also made the decision to get rid of huge players like Deco and Ronaldinho and then signed Dani Alves too. Pep being underwhelming at City in the Champions League shouldn’t undermine what he did with that Barca side. It was incredible. TamCoopz and Rangers_no1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,552 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, CR3 said: don't get me wrong. You know I love the fact he's been shite in Europe for 10 years? Definitely found out. I dont think he's been found out, he's a great coach and can do wonderful things, but i dunno if its his ego or what that stops him taking that final step, once again in a big game he was tactically out thought, happened at barca when jose done it, happened at bayern when real smashed them, happens at city when Chelsea have done it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,552 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, DBBTB said: Also made the decision to get rid of huge players like Deco and Ronaldinho and then signed Dani Alves too. Pep being underwhelming at City in the Champions League shouldn’t undermine what he did with that Barca side. It was incredible. Its not just city he's underwhelmed at, at bayern he took the euro champs and didnt make a final in 3 years, being scudded 5-0 on agg by real was an eye opener ayrshireranger and Negri's lovechild 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart1994 4,303 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 We really can’t compare Klopp taking a team from 13th to Champions in 3 years to Pep taking Man City from a decent team to Champions. ayrshireranger 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,552 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, stuart1994 said: We really can’t compare Klopp taking a team from 13th to Champions in 3 years to Pep taking Man City from a decent team to Champions. Apparently we can 🤷 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negri's lovechild 14,067 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 Both are obviously excellent managers and both fit into the modern greats category. It will be interesting to see what Jose does with Roma, a completely different type of job from the ones he normally takes. They want success but don't have a massive budget so he will be expected to promote from within. Jimfanciesthedude 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negri's lovechild 14,067 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Its not just city he's underwhelmed at, at bayern he took the euro champs and didnt make a final in 3 years, being scudded 5-0 on agg by real was an eye opener He has performed fantastically at league level but agree that considering the clubs he has been at, Champions League wise Pep has underperformed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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