The RM Beale poll

[Real Ranger 3,219]

9 hours ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

This is fucking mental.

One game into the season, one fucking game.

Cunts wanting a manager fired over some pre-season fucking friendlies and one game on a shite pitch.

Get a fucking grip people.

The new players have went from super signings to duds after one competitive game😩

I’ll be joining the protests outside the stadium if we’re not winning by halftime on Wednesday.

[CoplandStandBear 995]

He hasn't invested enough in the defence, his tactics are brutal to watch and his team selections in crucial games are bizarre.  If he drops points leading up to celtic or gets beat at Ibrox off them he's as good as finished.  He isn't going to get 5 dodgy games for the players to gel, the league will be done by then.  celtic only lost 1 league game last season when it mattered and we're playing catch up already.

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,688]

34 minutes ago, Real Ranger said:

The new players have went from super signings to duds after one competitive game😩

I’ll be joining the protests outside the stadium if we’re not winning by halftime on Wednesday.

Its not the players that are duds, it looks like Beale is, nearly 4 years in total in scottish football now and he still thinks 3 sitting mids and no width against teams that sit in, is the way to go

[mitre_mouldmaster 21,511]

33 minutes ago, Real Ranger said:

The new players have went from super signings to duds after one competitive game😩

I’ll be joining the protests outside the stadium if we’re not winning by halftime on Wednesday.

Was kinda tempted to start up a 'Danilo is a dud' thread for a laugh.

Can absolutely bet you that half the cunts who have been losing their minds at Sima and Beale would be saying it would be utterly ridiculous to write off Danilo for only playing 30 mins or so, with absolutely no self reflection at all.

Whats the fucking point though. 

[mitre_mouldmaster 21,511]

3 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

Its not the players that are duds, it looks like Beale is, nearly 4 years in total in scottish football now and he still thinks 3 sitting mids and no width against teams that sit in, is the way to go

On 05/08/2023 at 19:22, Jimbeamjunior said:

An absolutely unnecessary and unneeded signing that will drain us of finances and offer little if anything more than the players we have

Seem to be writing Sima off as a dud already...

[Bigdave30 9,241]

5 hours ago, onlythestrongsurvive said:

bit hazy but sure Borna put in  a few (shit) crosees

I thought that myself but did they ever make it to another one of our players?!

I’ve fucking men in blacked myself and erased as much of that shite from my memory.

[Bigdave30 9,241]

4 hours ago, Smile said:

You know why Borna doesn't get the ball and it's pretty simple if you think on it and I noticed it during the game, Souttar is on the left side of the defence not his preferred choice and he looks to his right and plays the ball that way as that is his strongest side it's what all right footed players do.

If it had been Souttar playing where Goldson played and Davies in Souttar position you would have seen Barisic getting more of the ball. Footballs a simple game we all like to complicate.

There’s maybe that and a wee bit of everycunt else on the pitch knows if they give him the ball he’ll run forward into space and then play a wee sideways/backwards pass half the time and kill the momentum.

[Dickie 12,906]

4 hours ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

He wont have a 'first 11'.

He is building a squad where multiple players will be in contention for positions. Sometimes it will be Raskin, Dowell and Lundstrum. Other times it will Be Cifuentes, Jack and Cantwell. With multiple other potential combinations involved.

So how do players gel or have consistency if you are changing the team every week.

Tav and Goldson are automatic picks no matter how fit or what form their in,Goldson came straight into the team after being out for months and with no game time in friendlies this doesn’t happen with other players eg hagi and raskin.

[Smile 26,624]

9 minutes ago, Bigdave30 said:

There’s maybe that and a wee bit of everycunt else on the pitch knows if they give him the ball he’ll run forward into space and then play a wee sideways/backwards pass half the time and kill the momentum.

What's wrong with Borna is he had Kent Infront of him to take the ball and keep it in a tight space they both worked well together now he has whoever Beale decides to play out there invariable it's someone who cant do what Kent did. Kent also worked hard chasing back.

Beale usually plays a right sided player who just ends up going inside to the already congested pitch.

 

 

[Smell the hotdog 4,129]

1 hour ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

Because

A) The wingers were shit

B) High looping balls into the box dont work 

What the "we need wingers" crew are wanting is guys pretty much hugging the touchline, who'll not only stretch the opposition by simply being there, but have the ability to attack a man, make them commit themselves, and alter the shape of an opponents defence, 

Not one person in that starting line up on sat was willing to get the ball to feet and run with it, it was all pass pass pass pass, usually sideways, all killie had to do was shunt ten yards to either side and keep their shape, 

Its fucking embarrassing that we both seen the tarriers absolutely destroy scottish football using width, and also watch as teams target ourselves with width, and beale hasnt thought once to give it a shot

Its a damning stat that ryan kents numbers last season were better under gio (who was apparently stifling him) than under Michael "let the handbrake off" Beale

When we had wingers we moaned we need players who can play through low blocks, not just get wide and put it in the box.

Tarriers inverted their full backs and got plenty bodies in middle of the park. They were also more or less man for man better than us which is the reason they won it rather than what position ours or their “wide” players are. They also took about 3 months to get going btw it didn’t happen overnight.

We need a variety, sima albeit not been great so far can play wide if he chooses to do so. Every player bar Raskin was miles off it, clear the whole team need to improve.

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,688]

55 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

Seem to be writing Sima off as a dud already...

Never said dud, said he was unnecessary and unneeded which is right given he, as a loan so therefore not ours, is taking the same position as someone who we own and is ours, oh and sima doesnt actually play that position

Therefore beale is the dud

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,688]

3 minutes ago, Smell the hotdog said:

When we had wingers we moaned we need players who can play through low blocks, not just get wide and put it in the box.

Tarriers inverted their full backs and got plenty bodies in middle of the park. They were also more or less man for man better than us which is the reason they won it rather than what position ours or their “wide” players are. They also took about 3 months to get going btw it didn’t happen overnight.

We need a variety, sima albeit not been great so far can play wide if he chooses to do so. Every player bar Raskin was miles off it, clear the whole team need to improve.

Again its not the "putting it into the box" that's the issue

When was the last time you seen a centre half dragged out of the middle by us, they dont and simply sit there trying (mostly successfully) to clear our crosses to one lonely ass striker

What we need is wide men who'll, as i said, drag opponents wider, this frees up more space in the middle for guys like cantwell to operate 

And if the guy out wide fancies it, he takes on his man, then if he beats him, it gives the centre half a decision to make, does he go out and confront the driving wide player (and therefore leave his comfort zone) or does he stay central and watch as our guy drives into the penalty area where he is mlre dangerous 

A "winger" doesnt just stand wide throwing crosses in, a winger actively attacks the opponents backline to try cause chaos

Think back to Ryan Jack's goal against the papes in gerrards first season, drives into the box, commits lustig into diving in, skins him, forces another player to step out which in turn throws the tarrier defense out of sync, jack therefore isnt picked up and we get a goal (albeit a deflected one, but shows how it can be beneficial) 

[OrangeRab 3,419]

10 minutes ago, Smell the hotdog said:

When we had wingers we moaned we need players who can play through low blocks, not just get wide and put it in the box.

Tarriers inverted their full backs and got plenty bodies in middle of the park. They were also more or less man for man better than us which is the reason they won it rather than what position ours or their “wide” players are. They also took about 3 months to get going btw it didn’t happen overnight.

We need a variety, sima albeit not been great so far can play wide if he chooses to do so. Every player bar Raskin was miles off it, clear the whole team need to improve.

Think it’s both. They stretch the pitch - Jota and Maeda hugged the touch line. 
But they also have better ball players in the middle that can play through blocks or speed up the game. So oppositions teams can’t just double up on their wide players like they can with us.

It’s night and day watching McGregor and Hatate move the ball versus Lundstrum and Jack. 

What I can’t understand is why we didn’t sign another ball playing midfielder to play alongside Raskin (maybe that’s Cifuentes). And upgrade our wide players.

Instead we’ve abandoned any attempt to create space and just signed more guys who play centrally either as or off a striker.

Now we’ve got about 7 guys that can all play CAM.

Just seems like a massive misallocation of transfer resources to me. We could have probably got away with 2-3 out of Dessers, Danillo, Lammers, Dowell, Sima.

And instead bought upgrades on Sakala and Kent and a CB.

[The Specky Forum Organiser 69,778]

1 hour ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

Was kinda tempted to start up a 'Danilo is a dud' thread for a laugh.

Can absolutely bet you that half the cunts who have been losing their minds at Sima and Beale would be saying it would be utterly ridiculous to write off Danilo for only playing 30 mins or so, with absolutely no self reflection at all.

Whats the fucking point though. 

Beale has been here since December, Danilo a fortnight so they're not really comparable are they

[mitre_mouldmaster 21,511]

24 minutes ago, The Specky Non Liar - Sometimes said:

Beale has been here since December, Danilo a fortnight so they're not really comparable are they

It is to Sima.

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,688]

1 hour ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

It is to Sima.

To be fair sima has played pretty much every pre season game and has done fuck all, 

Sat wasnt his first game for the club

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,688]

1 hour ago, OrangeRab said:

Think it’s both. They stretch the pitch - Jota and Maeda hugged the touch line. 
But they also have better ball players in the middle that can play through blocks or speed up the game. So oppositions teams can’t just double up on their wide players like they can with us.

It’s night and day watching McGregor and Hatate move the ball versus Lundstrum and Jack. 

What I can’t understand is why we didn’t sign another ball playing midfielder to play alongside Raskin (maybe that’s Cifuentes). And upgrade our wide players.

Instead we’ve abandoned any attempt to create space and just signed more guys who play centrally either as or off a striker.

Now we’ve got about 7 guys that can all play CAM.

Just seems like a massive misallocation of transfer resources to me. We could have probably got away with 2-3 out of Dessers, Danillo, Lammers, Dowell, Sima.

And instead bought upgrades on Sakala and Kent and a CB.

The reason the tarrier midfield can play passes through is because theres less bodies to intercept them

And that's because opponents feel the need to keep a man wide to cover their wingers

Any manager setting up against us domestically will play a 451 and simply tell the two wide mids to come inside and stifle the middle and force us to play the ball out wide to our fullback, knowing full well they arent good enough to do anything apart from throw in a deep hanging cross thats easily cleared or they'll pass it around the good old horseshoe

[Loyal72 14,132]

Maybe Beale shares Jurgen's philosophy, so really, we're fine.

 

 

[OrangeRab 3,419]

13 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

The reason the tarrier midfield can play passes through is because theres less bodies to intercept them

And that's because opponents feel the need to keep a man wide to cover their wingers

Any manager setting up against us domestically will play a 451 and simply tell the two wide mids to come inside and stifle the middle and force us to play the ball out wide to our fullback, knowing full well they arent good enough to do anything apart from throw in a deep hanging cross thats easily cleared or they'll pass it around the good old horseshoe

Yeh. But opponents also know that McGregor and Hatate can find space wide. You can pack the middle against us because you know it’s half an hour before Lundstrum hits his lateral pass to Barasic.

Anyways the whole transfer strategy looks weird so far. But hopefully it’s just teething issues…

 

 

[BookWorm 4,762]

The majority of members saying they think he won't be a success. That Kilmarnock result is a very sore one to take.

[Smell the hotdog 4,129]

13 hours ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

Again its not the "putting it into the box" that's the issue

When was the last time you seen a centre half dragged out of the middle by us, they dont and simply sit there trying (mostly successfully) to clear our crosses to one lonely ass striker

What we need is wide men who'll, as i said, drag opponents wider, this frees up more space in the middle for guys like cantwell to operate 

And if the guy out wide fancies it, he takes on his man, then if he beats him, it gives the centre half a decision to make, does he go out and confront the driving wide player (and therefore leave his comfort zone) or does he stay central and watch as our guy drives into the penalty area where he is mlre dangerous 

A "winger" doesnt just stand wide throwing crosses in, a winger actively attacks the opponents backline to try cause chaos

Think back to Ryan Jack's goal against the papes in gerrards first season, drives into the box, commits lustig into diving in, skins him, forces another player to step out which in turn throws the tarrier defense out of sync, jack therefore isnt picked up and we get a goal (albeit a deflected one, but shows how it can be beneficial) 

Chalk and cheese here mate you’re comparing a game v Tarriers who are open and attack minded to an organised and low block team on Saturday.

Centre halves don’t get dragged out wide in low blocks, that’s the point of it. Many teams gave up the wings last season and we did fuck all with it majority of time. I remember people on here during Gio bad times it was we needed to go back to 10s, too predictable down the flanks now it’s the opposite. 

Tempo was far too slow, not creative enough, not decisive enough. It’s more than formation that was the problem on Saturday. 

[Dickie 12,906]

11 hours ago, BookWorm said:

The majority of members saying they think he won't be a success. That Kilmarnock result is a very sore one to take.

Apart from Butland looking a commanding keeper there was absolutely fuck all positive to take from that shambles.

At times it looked like another friendly with us playing the ball lazily sideways and backwards,no urgency no pattern and the fact we can’t even defend a long throw in is shocking.

2 fullbacks who can’t defend but were excused because they were great going forward are now contributing zero to the team.

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,688]

2 hours ago, Smell the hotdog said:

Chalk and cheese here mate you’re comparing a game v Tarriers who are open and attack minded to an organised and low block team on Saturday.

Centre halves don’t get dragged out wide in low blocks, that’s the point of it. Many teams gave up the wings last season and we did fuck all with it majority of time. I remember people on here during Gio bad times it was we needed to go back to 10s, too predictable down the flanks now it’s the opposite. 

Tempo was far too slow, not creative enough, not decisive enough. It’s more than formation that was the problem on Saturday. 

People said anything to show their displeasure against gio, fact is the team that has smashed scottish football for 18 months now deployed actual dribbling wingers, and it works

 

[Smell the hotdog 4,129]

1 hour ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

People said anything to show their displeasure against gio, fact is the team that has smashed scottish football for 18 months now deployed actual dribbling wingers, and it works

 

Far too simplistic to say it’s down to dribbling wingers. They were better defensively, had rotations and off the ball runs that were hard to track, far higher tempo, took their chances a lot better than we did. I’d say that had a lot more to do with it than how two players out of the 11 were set up.

We played with wingers under gio, we had around 50% win ratio in away games like Saturday. If we played with wingers on Saturday we’d of probably end up with the same result as we were miles off it.

[Ross-Gazza genius 2,061]

On 07/08/2023 at 09:17, graeme_4 said:

Just trying to get a feel for it tbh. Never seen a manager turned on so quickly before, based off social media, RM etc. 

Do you forget our last manager??