SeparateEntityMyArse 54,238 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 50 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said: Anyone who has watched the first halves in past two old firm games and thinks we never got it wrong in midfield selection and tactics should go have a lie down. Being compact is what was required - we were all over the shop. Athleticism is what was required -Lundstram and Lawrence can barely move. If the manager goes with same tactics and personnel in Cup Final then good luck to him as he’ll need it. Simply this 👌 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 54,238 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 17 minutes ago, Big Al 55 said: So how do we setup in CF with available personnel? Sterling would be first name in centre of my midfield. Wright Sterling Lundstrum Silva Diomande Dessers ForeverAndEver 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,304 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 9 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: I agree, but who else atm Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears r us 30,988 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 3 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: 4231 isn't a problem if the front 4 are good offensively and in shape/press when not in possession. Our front options aren't good enough going forward and again abysmal in shape/press leading to us getting overrun as we all saw. They CANT do what is required, our performances and results v celtic evidence that. My point is that without 4 better players than we have for upfront then 4 forwards are a luxury we can't afford at the expense of making the midfield stronger by adding numbers in there. And for me Sterling had to be part of that midfield over any other role. We are certainly in agreement about the players and I understand your point about Sterling, I suppose the problem we have at the moment is he seems one of the few who has a desire to win and we need him in so many positions. I am hoping we can get Sima back for the final, but with the hellish luck we have had with injuries, I am taking nothing for granted. Negri's lovechild 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 54,238 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 5 minutes ago, Big Al 55 said: I agree, but who else atm Midfield needs to come from Raskin, Diamonde, Sterling and maybe Jack. Lundstram cannot wear our jersey again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayro 3,142 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 37 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: Midfield needs to come from Raskin, Diamonde, Sterling and maybe Jack. Lundstram cannot wear our jersey again. Tbh appreciate no player wants to be injured but the lack of availability from Jack is more annoying to me than Lundstram. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,900 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 The issue we have is that if we go narrow and bulk up the middle, our fullbacks cannot be trusted to defend anything, so we put players wide to cover their defensive weaknesses, that leaves the midfield vunerable We need to upgrade either part so they can be trusted on their own if we need to protect other parts, and we'll probably find its cheaper to defensively upgrade the fullbacks than it is to upgrade the midfield Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,304 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Just now, Jimfanciesthedude said: The issue we have is that if we go narrow and bulk up the middle, our fullbacks cannot be trusted to defend anything, so we put players wide to cover their defensive weaknesses, that leaves the midfield vunerable We need to upgrade either part so they can be trusted on their own if we need to protect other parts, and we'll probably find its cheaper to defensively upgrade the fullbacks than it is to upgrade the midfield If you have 3 in midfield it’s easy enough for one either side to drop in when full backs bomb forward, in fact easier than expecting Sima, Silva or Sterling to do it when playing out wide Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,900 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 8 minutes ago, Big Al 55 said: If you have 3 in midfield it’s easy enough for one either side to drop in when full backs bomb forward, in fact easier than expecting Sima, Silva or Sterling to do it when playing out wide And then 3 in the middle becomes 2, 2 who get overran See the issue, when gerrard deployed it the guys were younger, fitter, more athletic, and even then it only worked half the time (bar one season where everything clicked) And we also go back to the square pegs round holes situation, fullbacks become wingers, wingers become centre mids and centre mids become fullbacks Theres a reason that system won one trophy in 3 years Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southsider 320 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 3 hours ago, Big Al 55 said: I agree, but who else atm Raskin. Lundstram shouldn't play for us again Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Maestro 11,706 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 5 hours ago, The Specky Forum Organiser said: We played a flat under Gerrard and were the most in control of matches I can remember us in old firms and Europe. We don’t have Kamara, Jack and Davis now. The 3 we would play from what’s available would get overrun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 65,924 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 3 minutes ago, J-Maestro said: We don’t have Kamara, Jack and Davis now. The 3 we would play from what’s available would get overrun. We've far less chance of being overrun with a combination of Sterling, Lundstram, Diomande and Raskin in a flat 3 than a combination of the 2 with Lawrence or Cantwell further ahead. The Godfather and ger4life_1872 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudrupsleftfoot 11,322 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Flat 3 with Cantwell in behind Dessers and Silva, or Cantwell and Silva behind Dessers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markem 7,307 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 3 hours ago, ayro said: Tbh appreciate no player wants to be injured but the lack of availability from Jack is more annoying to me than Lundstram. Giving him a new contract remains absolutely beyond belief and we’ve known a few shockers. Albion 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markem 7,307 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Sticking with the manager and have a great deal of sympathy for what he inherited etc but to not get maximum points from Motherwell, Dundee and Ross County (the latter two in particular) in our (then)situation is setting off serious alarm bells. BlueAvenger and Carnbroe Bear 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayro 3,142 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 8 minutes ago, markem said: Giving him a new contract remains absolutely beyond belief and we’ve known a few shockers. He didn’t deserve a year extension as he had missed plenty that season as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers_no1 33,087 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 6 hours ago, Jimfanciesthedude said: You kidding, there was a good number of people also wanting sterling wide right to both help tav defensively and go at taylor cause taylor is a fucking wet wipe Good number? Like a handful of people including someone whos cluless about football in the original poster of the matchday thread? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers_no1 33,087 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 3 hours ago, Jimfanciesthedude said: See the issue, when gerrard deployed it the guys were younger, fitter, more athletic, and even then it only worked half the time (bar one season where everything clicked) Jack, Arfield, Davis all younger, fitter and more athletic?? 🤣 OrangeRab 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,900 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 1 hour ago, Rangers_no1 said: Jack, Arfield, Davis all younger, fitter and more athletic?? 🤣 Why quote they 3 when we had Tav, kamara, kent, aribo who were all young or in tavs case 3 years younger or more And davis pre injury was one of the fittest guys at the club, to deny that is just daft Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Maestro 11,706 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 2 hours ago, The Specky Forum Organiser said: We've far less chance of being overrun with a combination of Sterling, Lundstram, Diomande and Raskin in a flat 3 than a combination of the 2 with Lawrence or Cantwell further ahead. The issue is getting the ball out with those three though. I’m not really sure what could be done with this team anymore, we are missing so many vital parts at this point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Maestro 11,706 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 1 hour ago, Rangers_no1 said: Jack, Arfield, Davis all younger, fitter and more athletic?? 🤣 After two pre seasons without proper fitness work they probably were. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers_no1 33,087 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 6 minutes ago, Jimfanciesthedude said: Why quote they 3 when we had Tav, kamara, kent, aribo who were all young or in tavs case 3 years younger or more And davis pre injury was one of the fittest guys at the club, to deny that is just daft So the likes of Yilmaz, Diomande, Cantwell, Matondo are all old, non athletic and unfit? It's daft to claim someone like Lundstram is unfit, old or not athletic but Davis wasn't. Lundstram gets about much more than Davis did under Gerrard. OrangeRab 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,900 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 1 minute ago, Rangers_no1 said: So the likes of Yilmaz, Diomande, Cantwell, Matondo are all old, non atheltic and unfit? Yilmaz and Matondo aren't close to fit, they never have been, cantwell has barely been fit this season as well and Diomande is but he's there himself Not arguing against they players in that system, but we don't have them available all the time Had cortes and sima been fit on sat he could have started a midfield 3 of lundstram, diomande and sterling, more than enough legs there for the job Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacBoyd 5,616 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Do we really give this guy money? Looks like he could be gone in the usual November time. This is a pathetic run bow very worrying he can't seem to stop it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 74,930 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Out coached again. Out his depth. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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