Bertent 2,081 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 It's going to be hard to convince these guys to hold up to their commitent to put in more money, when one of our main income streams is being threatened.can't you see that?Thing is when King gets in does all the shit storm theyve created just vanish, after all Diamond Daves non plan has to involve almost annual share issues or does he live in the same fantasy land as Baw face Salmond, where cash just appears. having let the genie out of the box whos to say different fan cliques will start boycoyts to get what they want? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goal machine 7,803 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 It's going to be hard to convince these guys to hold up to their commitent to put in more money, when one of our main income streams is being threatened.can't you see that?Because fans want assurances that the business is heading in the right direction rather than them insinuating fans aren't loyal and urging them to pump more money in despite who's in charge. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettertogether 381 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 It's going to be hard to convince these guys to hold up to their commitent to put in more money, when one of our main income streams is being threatened.can't you see that?I am sure there are plenty people want to put more money in, but who in there right mind would allow there company to invest in rangerswhen all they will get is pelters and bad press from all the usual suspects Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddiqi_drinker 14,635 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 No wonder, it's all there in black and white. Read them, the only people that took money they shouldn't have where the ex board members who took a bonus for winning the 3rd division.There are none so blind as those who WON'T see. Admin 1 was bad enough but much of that was outside the control of the fans. This time it appears that some 'fans' have been manipulated by cunts who don't even attend matches. Ever since the dark days of liquidation the one steady reliable element was the fan base. Now a bunch of people behaving like tarriers are putting club finances in jeopardy and for what?? The dreams of a fan-ownership, a blazer, a fat jaffa cake eating wanker in the boardroom????? Really???Starve a cash strapped business of cash-flow ----- aye right.Tried to buy a ST online but seems sales are still only open to ST holders --- hope other fans take up the slack & fuk King and the Union of fannies. Gurlyblue 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougie76 15,359 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 READ THE FUCKING ACCOUNTS! HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS NEED TO BE SAID? THE ACCOUNTS TELL YOU WHERE EVERY BIT OF MONEY HAS WENT.Your wasting your time mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 It's going to be hard to convince these guys to hold up to their commitent to put in more money, when one of our main income streams is being threatened.can't you see that?They should be doing more to win the fans over in my opinion. Serving up the same dross on the field whilst increasing prices and hardly engaging is a big failing in my view. In saying that, the fan groups are also far too aggressive in their stance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 71,895 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 They should be doing more to win the fans over in my opinion. Serving up the same dross on the field whilst increasing prices and hardly engaging is a big failing in my view. In saying that, the fan groups are also far too aggressive in their stance.Prices increase as we go up, this was known from the very start. Why would we lower them? That's just fucking daft Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Because fans want assurances that the business is heading in the right direction rather than them insinuating fans aren't loyal and urging them to pump more money in despite who's in charge.Sorry but thats shite. the fans want security over assets for buying their season tickets. a totally unworkableplan that no boar would agree too.And they know this fine well, which gives them ammunition against the board, " the big bad board wont accept our totally stupid and unwrkable idea, they must be spivs"He did not insinuate the fans were not loyal, he reiiterated how important fan loyalty is and to continue to be like that.And you know what, "fans" that are using their season ticket money to blackmail the board,are not being loyal in the slightest, so what is actually wrong with him saying that? bluenosebrad, paisley1967 and smartypants 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Prices increase as we go up, this was known from the very start. Why would we lower them? That's just fucking daftWe were also expecting an increase in quality as we go up, this part seems to have been disregarded. Banking on increasing both the price and volume of tickets sold whilst the team stagnated with a shite manager is not good management. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack The Flipper 5,936 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Your wasting your time mate.It's wrong though, financial statements don't tell you where every little bit of money goes. They are out of date, a generalisation, and easily manipulated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 They should be doing more to win the fans over in my opinion.Serving up the same dross on the field whilst increasing prices and hardly engaging is a big failing in my view.In saying that, the fan groups are also far too aggressive in their stance.sigh, what more can they fucking do mate?We want rid of stockbridge - ok donewe want rid of JI and MH - ok doneWe want the results of the review - you are getting them tomorrow.Lets be real here, there are a fair sized section of "sabre rattlers" in our support right now who simply can not be won over, and NOTHING the current board can do will change that ( except bowing to even more blackmail) dougie76 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougie76 15,359 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 They should be doing more to win the fans over in my opinion. Serving up the same dross on the field whilst increasing prices and hardly engaging is a big failing in my view. In saying that, the fan groups are also far too aggressive in their stance.Like the board haven't got enough to content with you now want them on the pitch banging in the goals? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
corkinator 611 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Sorry but thats shite. the fans want security over assets for buying their season tickets. a totally unworkableplan that no boar would agree too.And they know this fine well, which gives them ammunition against the board, " the big bad board wont accept our totally stupid and unwrkable idea, they must be spivs"He did not insinuate the fans were not loyal, he reiiterated how important fan loyalty is and to continue to be like that.And you know what, "fans" that are using their season ticket money to blackmail the board,are not being loyal in the slightest, so what is actually wrong with him saying that?i can see both sides of it, i actually think the security idea was pretty clever. The problem is fans think they are powerless when, in fact, the reverse is true. I hope this and any other board take note. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougie76 15,359 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 It's wrong though, financial statements don't tell you where every little bit of money goes. They are out of date, a generalisation, and easily manipulated.If that is the case why was everyone shouting for them to be released ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 We going to end up with no club at this rate, then we will really see the finger pointing start. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trublusince1982 768 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Is this you building in excuses for King already, shame you dont apply that logic to the current situation. Do we need scouts to sign ex players for bench warmers?the lack of scouts is the reason ally can only sign players he knows.king has done no better than the board. says everything when your only reply is to point the finger at someone who has absolutely nothing to do with anything. exactly why the investors employ media companies. since the clubs at deaths door according to sandy he will no doubt return his salary and bring his companies sponsership inhouse? since hes understands loyalty.actions and words two different things Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian 4,281 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 If we are to go down this road again then it must be admin before the season ends - we take the points penalty THIS season but still go up.Quick CVA (should be much easier this time), disinfect the place and start afresh with share issue underwritten by King.Manager and coaching staff made redundant (no huge payoffs), clean slate under McInnes/Clarke.Best way out of current fucking mess The existing board could do that if it wasn't illegal.If you make the coaching and management staff redundant you can't hire new ones.And that's just the start.Those castigating the board don't seem to grasp what contracts mean.You cannot unilaterally tear them up. Nor can you change them to suit.Even super Dave can't do that. This isn't south Africa. Some cretins seem to have the view that this review better have 50m quid to spend or they are out. Probably even if they do anaw.This hysteria started when King appeared giving for every fiver speeches.If we do end up as Daveco we are fucked. The support is in tatters and now has a thirst for demos.The unity is gone and without that cash coming in king will lose interest. Kings dodgy dealings may come back to haunt him yet and he will be the new Romanov. Then we nice again the usual suspects would be saying we must never again adopt the sugar daddy approach.It seems some never learn. We Will Follow Rangers 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 If that is the case why was everyone shouting for them to be released ?Just ignore him mate, his tin foil hat will keep him company. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBluebells 6,898 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 sigh, what more can they fucking do mate?We want rid of stockbridge - ok donewe want rid of JI and MH - ok doneWe want the results of the review - you are getting them tomorrow.Lets be real here, there are a fair sized section of "sabre rattlers" in our support right now who simply can not be won over, and NOTHING the current board can do will change that ( except bowing to even more blackmail)Very true, that review tomorrow could be 100% what we all want/need and some will shoot it down regardless, some have gone too far to swallow pride and back down.Im a little anxious about this review now, this statement just isn't what id like to be reading. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wearethepeople1 3,897 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 the lack of scouts is the reason ally can only sign players he knows.king has done no better than the board. says everything when your only reply is to point the finger at someone who has absolutely nothing to do with anything. exactly why the investors employ media companies. since the clubs at deaths door according to sandy he will no doubt return his salary and bring his companies sponsership inhouse? since hes understands loyalty.actions and words two different thingsSo Ally only knows shit players. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 i can see both sides of it, i actually think the security idea was pretty clever. The problem is fans think they are powerless when, in fact, the reverse is true. I hope this and any other board take note.So you think the fans asking for security over assets is fine. Even though they are the same fans that would go fucking apoplectic with rage if the board would go ahead and get other money and secure it against Ibrox.It's unworkable and if the board did agree to it, then the UoF would have absolutely no comeback if the board decided to go ahead and secure more investment against the rest of the value of Ibrox and Auchenoiwe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack The Flipper 5,936 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 If that is the case why was everyone shouting for them to be released ?Because it does help stakeholders get some kind of insight into the business, and most would hope the financial statements are not being manipulated. Don't make the mistake of thinking they are the be all and end all though, they are far from that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goal machine 7,803 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Sorry but thats shite. the fans want security over assets for buying their season tickets. a totally unworkableplan that no boar would agree too.And they know this fine well, which gives them ammunition against the board, " the big bad board wont accept our totally stupid and unwrkable idea, they must be spivs"He did not insinuate the fans were not loyal, he reiiterated how important fan loyalty is and to continue to be like that.And you know what, "fans" that are using their season ticket money to blackmail the board,are not being loyal in the slightest, so what is actually wrong with him saying that?Aye, letting investors have the same security is much better. And yes he did. "If you're loyal and you support the club, then come out and support the club. It doesn't matter who's running the club or who wants to run the club; the main thing is the loyal supporters need to come out, by a man, and stand by the club." This insinuates that supporters who are holding off renewing because they want certain assurances about the business aren't loyal. And that is shite. The line about it doesn't matter who's running the club is the worst of the lot. Fans, not "fans", have pumped in a ridiculous amount of money to the club over the past few years especially and there is no evidence that the business is heading in the right direction. Hopefully the review shows that and if it does, I'd hope to see the sales for STs pick up. And Easdale not doing administration could be a result is just scaremongering and trying to make supporters feel guilty for not renewing especially when Wallace has said there's no chance of it happening. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trublusince1982 768 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 We going to end up with no club at this rate, then we will really see the finger pointing start.do you even understand how much extra revenue the club will need this season just to break even?if we sell 39000 season tickets you do get we are still short millions right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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