Police Scotland confirm received report into historic child abuse within football

[B1872 20,718]

After reading comments from tarriers on Twitter etc. I genuinely want their club dead. ??

[Quiet Jim 897]

Absolutely abhorrent, from cradle to grave. In the weekend of remembrance we are discussing animals that betrayed our soldiers sacrifices. Hang them high.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-42689486

[jintybear 8,536]

7 hours ago, B1872 said:

That's fkn tragic. I'm absolutely sickened by clowns like this who can't see what their club has done. They allowed a predator back into the fold to go and abuse innocent children for years. Why can't their supporters see this? Are they so entrenched in the victim mentality that they always have to find someone else to blame? I would like to say this was unbelievable but unfortunately it is not.

[Ibroxholm 2,276]

22 minutes ago, Colin Traive said:

‘celtic Boys Club tragedy’.  Carefully selected words methinks in order to score some points in certain quarters.  Doesn’t bode well for his article being anything other than another deflection job.  Suspect he’ll concentrate on the perpetrator of the abuse, crocodile tears for the abused boys, and outright condemnation of the point scorers in our society.  Little if anything will be said of the 50year cover up.

[HG5 11,113]

On 08/11/2018 at 15:31, magic8ball said:

was the actual racist coin throwing incident also raised .

you know the one where a black Catholic was hit by a coin 

I think they must get excommunicated once they pull on the blue jersey.....

[watpnosurrender 274]

the sfa are bastards for not making a statement yet this can not go unpunished its the biggest scandal in football that I have seen

[eejay the dj 31,964]

1 hour ago, Fear no foe said:

Here's a question, why aren't celtic sueing Torbett?

If I set up a company, called it Amazon and used the Amazon logo, then used that company as a front for illegal activity then I'm sure that the actual Amazon Inc would send an army of lawyers after me for not only infringement but also bringing their company into disreupt. I'm no legal eagle but is this not an avenue celtic should be taking if the boys club really had nothing to do with them?

I sniff something desperate and bheastly

[eejay the dj 31,964]

3 minutes ago, watpnosurrender said:

the sfa are bastards for not making a statement yet this can not go unpunished its the biggest scandal in football that I have seen

The corrupt spfl / sfa pussies are the biggest scandal in Scottish football

The bheast cover up is the biggest scandal in sport

[pollok-bear 7,537]

18 minutes ago, Ibroxholm said:

‘celtic Boys Club tragedy’.  Carefully selected words methinks in order to score some points in certain quarters.  Doesn’t bode well for his article being anything other than another deflection job.  Suspect he’ll concentrate on the perpetrator of the abuse, crocodile tears for the abused boys, and outright condemnation of the point scorers in our society.  Little if anything will be said of the 50year cover up.

Words cannot describe how much I hate that fucking posh fucking bastard speirs. I fucking hate the cunt with every bit of hatred i have.

[HG5 11,113]

6 hours ago, B1872 said:

I honestly don’t think any sporting sanctions will happen to the scum. If they’re sued successfully it’ll be a case of they’ve served their punishment and we’ll move on and learn from it - that’ll be the narrative from the SFA and SPFL. If the rumours are true about their being hundreds of victims then the only thing I can see is celtic going into admin as doubt they could trade whilst paying off the millions to victims, paying their £60 million wage bill, running costs plus CO-OP loan. Not to mention their lecky bill for their disco lights.

I know what you’re saying about ‘punishment served’.

How does that compare to the losses we suffered over the administration event?

And still folk say we should have been punished more!

 Saw a report that reckoned they’d turned over £300m more than us in the period since admin.

[Stoorie 1,088]

There are serious criminal allegations and already a conviction, involving a member club of the Scottish Football Association. What have they done? 

This is the SFA. The governing body of our national sport, yet they have said nothing whatsoever, about what will be the biggest “open secret “ that has been hanging over our game for over 40 years and has finally had a spotlight shone on it. 

Some people are saying that the same lawyers are acting on behalf of both parties.....

 

[hawkeye 1,039]

3 hours ago, Brackley said:

This rang bells for me.

Brendan Smith Chapelhall.

Many many moons ago i lived in Chapelhall and across the road from me lived a certain Anna Smith journalist at that time with Airdrie and Coatbridge advertiser who went on to the daily record and was credited with bringing Torbet to justice first time around. As we all know they are a rabid tim family, so why did she turn on her "own".

Brendan Smith was reported as a boxer and that got me thinking as Anna Smith's older brother Hugh was a boxer and in his day was a sparring partner for Jim Watt.

A google search turned up the same Brendan Smith being jailed two years ago for assaulting former girlfriends and his father Hugh a former boxer was standing by him.

Brendan Smith is therefore Anna Smith's nephew.

Not sure what this has to do with the price of fish but may explain a few things. 

She also wen't after criminals,doggedly.

[Colin Traive 22,775]

5 minutes ago, Keeps01 said:

There are serious criminal allegations and already a conviction, involving a member club of the Scottish Football Association. What have they done? 

This is the SFA. The governing body of our national sport, yet they have said nothing whatsoever, about what will be the biggest “open secret “ that has been hanging over our game for over 40 years and has finally had a spotlight shone on it. 

Some people are saying that the same lawyers are acting on behalf of both parties.....

 

Harper MacLeod ?

[eejay the dj 31,964]

30 minutes ago, pollok-bear said:

Words cannot describe how much I hate that fucking posh fucking bastard speirs. I fucking hate the cunt with every bit of hatred i have.

He is vermin of the highest order . Almost like a judas that should be hung up from the nearest tree . Or burned at the stake

No amount of shite that he comes out with has credibility . The only reason all bears hate him . He is a lying scumbag that would gladly take it up the arse from any of the bheasts being found guilty of these terrible crimes

Your hate for him cannot be more than mine mate

[eejay the dj 31,964]

24 minutes ago, hawkeye said:

She also wen't after criminals,doggedly.

Too be fair back then . Brazil  and McNeil their so called legend, was coming out with statements to the effect of admitting guilt and what was going on at that time .

There was an appetite to get to the bottom of the scandal .And this lady is on tv saying what she thought back at the time .

She was referring to cover up

Then after this , everyone was being silenced . If you do your research . You can still find some of this . Although the scum have definitely people in high places wiping a lot of this of the map

[BRITNEY IS NOT FEELING IT 8,293]

1 hour ago, Colin Traive said:

Said earlier he's no to be trusted , carefully worded again , not fuckin likely ,he knows what he's upto , makes ye sick , hopefully michelle gray now stays well clear of him  , he has alterior motives 

1 hour ago, eejay the dj said:

Or he may have to pay for some extra security  . While he is at it . Get  some Everest quotes

 

Aye he'll be as well buying a house at the top of Everest ffs 

[eejay the dj 31,964]

I'm of the opinion . The gestapo could easily get involved here .

They choose not to because  , there have been people within their double standard establishment .At the top clearly who have been involved . At some point in history .

Politically , there is no appetite to chase after this bheastly club as we know they are now aligned to the Snp .

This City is now run by them so it stands to reason . They will have everyone doing their best to continue the cover up or make all this media attention go away

[eejay the dj 31,964]

16 minutes ago, BRITNEY IS NOT FEELING IT said:

Said earlier he's no to be trusted , carefully worded again , not fuckin likely ,he knows what he's upto , makes ye sick , hopefully michelle gray now stays well clear of him  , he has alterior motives 

 

Aye he'll be as well buying a house at the top of Everest ffs 

Can be found out running In Saltcoats 

They say the road kills are high down there 

[TFP77 59]

5 minutes ago, eejay the dj said:

Let's not knock him . He is putting his head above . His firm are taking a massive gamble .

We know what the scum of Scotland are like

Think he means Speirs not the lawyer. ??

[BRITNEY IS NOT FEELING IT 8,293]

27 minutes ago, eejay the dj said:

Can be found out running In Saltcoats 

They say the road kills are high down there 

[EverestGers 748]

2 hours ago, Colin Traive said:

Harper MacLeod ?

Surely you can't be serious that there's a possibility they are pursuing the peedos on behalf of victims??? That's just another level of cabbage but then again wouldn't surprise me. We're definitely dealing with a different set of dials on the human moral compass that Im used to when trying to understand how that mob think ?‍♂️?‍♂️?‍♂️

[Rangers#1 5,459]

bump

[B1872 20,718]

Tarriers trying to hack the site ?

[SpidermansGaffer 2,552]

Well written article from Micheal Grant at The Times

 

 

celtic left with questions to answer

November 9 2018, 12:01am,

Michael Grant

Reaction to sex abuse scandal and attempt to distance itself from boys club is not a good look, writes Michael Grant

Maybe there is no “right” thing a football club can ever say to really comfort and satisfy the victims of sexual abuse for which it bears some responsibility. Perhaps there is no form of words, no soundbites, which could ever make even a dent on the righteous pain and anger felt by young boys who were abused and the families who saw their loved ones broken and damaged.

Football is overburdened by slick public relations teams and, at least at many of the bigger clubs, their default setting for awkward issues is to obstruct, frustrate and say little or nothing. When the same shutdown mentality is applied to far more serious issues, and they don’t come any graver than systematic sexual abuse of young boys by a coach, it can leave a club looking cold, uncaring and defensive. It doesn’t look good.

On Monday the founder of celtic Boys Club, the feeder organisation which has been inextricably linked with celtic for more than four decades, was jailed for the second time for sexually abusing boys at the club. Jim Torbett’s timeline is staggering and grotesque. He founded the boys club in 1966 and left eight years later when claims first emerged about what he was doing with some of the boys. Jock Stein — who was simultaneously manager of celtic and honorary life president of celtic Boys Club — was said to have personally intervened to get Torbett out.

celtic said nothing when Torbett was jailed for the second time on Monday.

No-one alerted the police. Worse — indefensibly, unforgivably — Torbett returned to a role with the boys club some time around 1980 and stayed there for another 16 years during which he resumed the sexual abuse. Finally a tabloid newspaper broke the allegations about him in 1996 and two years later he was jailed for two years. When further victims came forward in the aftermath of the nationwide football sexual abuse scandal two years ago, Torbett, now 71, was tracked down to America and brought back to face fresh charges. On Monday he was jailed again for six years.

The focus has now turned on celtic and the club has reacted like a rabbit in the headlights. When Torbett was sentenced on Monday celtic said nothing. On Tuesday, still silence, even as victims and their representatives began calling them out for a response. Finally, on Wednesday, an unattributed statement was released expressing sympathy and “deep regret” but conspicuously failing to offer an apology, perhaps because to do so would amount to an admission of responsibility and liability ahead of potential legal action. The statement acknowledged celtic’s “historic connections” with celtic Boys Club but repeated a familiar assertion that it was an entirely separate organisation.

That does not wash with the victims’ experience. When Torbett established the boys club he sought and was given approval by Stein and the celtic chairman at the time, Robert Kelly, to use celtic’s name and colours. The two clubs’ crests are almost identical. The boys club had regular access to celtic Park and its pitch rentals were said to have been paid by celtic. Torbett was a business partner of two celtic directors. BBC Scotland this week ran grainy footage of an early 1970s boys club prizegiving in which Stein and the then captain, Billy McNeill, handed out trophies while Torbett stood a few feet away announcing the recipients. It made a shiver run up the spine.

Stein, above, was said to haver personally intervened to get Torbett out in the 1970s

Patrick McGuire, a lawyer for some of the victims, has emerged as a vocal thorn in celtic’s side. He has described the attempt to put distance between celtic and the boys club as “simply nonsense”. The statement was insipid, he said, calling for celtic to meet him and discuss compensation on the victims’ behalf.

“Today we speak to every director personally, we ask them to look at themselves in the mirror and to face up to their moral responsibilities but, more than that, their legal obligations, that is to sit down with me as the representative of my own clients and to begin the negotiations immediately to ensure that those clients see the financial justice to which they are entitled.

“We’re giving them the chance to do the right thing, we’re asking them to face up to their legal responsibility, but there is a very clear legal obligation underscoring that. Absolutely, 100 per cent, if they do not come to the table, if they do not do the right thing, they will be facing us across the courtroom.”

McGuire says he has evidence which contradicts celtic’s claim that they learned about Torbett’s behaviour only in the 1990s. Torbett has gone through two trials and yet so many questions remain. If he was booted out in 1974 why did no one go to the police (even if innuendo and rumours were less likely to be acted upon then than now)? Who made the first contact before he rejoined the boys club in 1980? Why didn’t Stein, who had left celtic by then, intervene to warn his former club?

It defies belief that Stein kicked him out over the accusations yet no one else at celtic was aware of them when Torbett returned only five or six years later and started abusing again. How could the boys club let him back in? At the first trial in 1998 the former boys club chairman, Hugh Birt, said in court that he tried to block his return and warned people at celtic about him (ie around 1980). Yet this week’s celtic statement said the club became aware of allegations only in the 1990s and surviving celtic board members from the time say they did not know about Torbett when he came back.

A spokesperson for the survivors’ group White Flowers Alba said: “Is this how a family club should behave? It’s morally repugnant.” Victim and former reserve player Kenny Campbell, whose court testimony helped put Torbett away, said he felt ignored by celtic.

This is deeply damaging for celtic given how seriously it takes its social responsibility. The celtic board is now entirely different from what it was in the 1970s, ’80s and ’90s but its predecessors have landed the current directors with an almighty problem. It looks awful to be on the back foot and defensive against an array of upset and angry sexual abuse victims accusing them of not saying sorry, not accepting responsibility and not doing the right thing.

Contesting their claims in court, to limit or avoid compensation, will look far, far worse.

[Jonok 1,245]

Out on the streets all I'm hearing from the bheast support is separate entity, they have turned their backs on their own they are despicable.