2nd UEFA Charge

[GA1972 9,556]

2 minutes ago, The Dude said:

The club have been telling us for fuck knows how long not to sing them. If after 13 years or more you still can't take that in then that falls on you, not Rangers,

You’re making excuses for lack of nous shown by those in the directors box 

Why can the Club as others have said not release clearly in a statement (which they should’ve done upon finding out FARE were coming back to Ibrox) something to the effect of  ‘Please don’t sing x song and y song due to potential repercussions from UEFA and beyond. We understand that most fans would not partake in any sectarian singing but as a duty of care to the club and it’s fans we must ask that the actions of a minority don’t have a negative future impact on the club in the form of UEFA sanctions including stadium closures, fines and expulsion from UEFA competition. I’m sure we don’t need to explain to you how severe the impact of these possible sanctions would be from a footballing, financial and supporters perspective. We thank you for your fantastic ongoing support and your cooperation in this matter.’

This would acknowledge the problem. It’s like they want to act like the songs don’t exist while also condemning the fans for singing them at the moment. Fans should know what not to sing yes but a lot of fans aren’t as well informed as we are when it comes to such matters and will continue singing whatever they want until they are definitively told not to. 

[HuistraHairDo 12,490]

I’m singing the sash for the next 120 mins of football at Ibrox on loop. 

My own proddy protest, 

they hate the sash more than the billy boys anyway 

[Gascoigne8 3,378]

Just now, The Dude said:

I really think that. Peter Lawwell is a nobody outside of Scottish football. He's the 'guy from celtic'. He's not some big mover ad shaker as some are desperate to paint him as.

Do you SERIOUSLY think UEFA's disciplinary committee timed the announcement of the first charge to coincide with this week then decided to charge us after the Legia game, hoping the Rangers board would be forced into releasing a statement and forfeiting thousands of away European tickets all in a bid to disrupt the next two games?

Far from being a nobody, peter lawwell will be in contact with these guys at uefa if not on a weekly, at least a monthly basis.

 

UEFA like all big organisations are needing a whipping boy (aka not a Real Madrid/Barca/Chelsea etc) to nail their sexist/racist/sectarian policies on and carry the can. I started a topic a couple of days ago saying the timing seems to be to the detriment of our season and the betterment of Celtics season. Without resorting to whataboutery, where are UEFA not breaking out the big guns and chasing a club who have had 6 people jailed or convicted of proven paedophile charges instead of people who sing songs with "naughty" words in them???

This is the tip of the iceberg, i cant see how it took 4 weeks to come up with the first charge and now we have wind of a second one after a matter of days? I would also point to the fact that FARE have a season book for our games and also how many times have the other lot been up on UEFA charges but never faced a stadium closure?  Lawwell has a bigger hand in this than many would like to believe. I just find it all too "coincidental"

[mitre_mouldmaster 21,509]

Just now, GA1972 said:

You’re making excuses for lack of nous shown by those in the directors box 

Why can the Club as others have said not release clearly in a statement (which they should’ve done upon finding out FARE were coming back to Ibrox) something to the effect of  ‘Please don’t sing x song and y song due to potential repercussions from UEFA and beyond. We understand that most fans would not partake in any sectarian singing but as a duty of care to the club and it’s fans we must ask that the actions of a minority don’t have a negative future impact on the club in the form of UEFA sanctions including stadium closures, fines and expulsion from UEFA competition. I’m sure we don’t need to explain to you how severe the impact of these possible sanctions would be from a footballing, financial and supporters perspective. We thank you for your fantastic ongoing support and your cooperation in this matter.’

This would acknowledge the problem. It’s like they want to act like the songs don’t exist while also condemning the fans for singing them at the moment. Fans should know what not to sing yes but a lot of fans aren’t as well informed as we are when it comes to such matters and will continue singing whatever they want until they are definitively told not to. 

To be honest, the club did fuck up a bit here.

I dont think they were expecting another charge to land so quickly.

We cant shift the blame here though. The blame does lie at the fans singing these songs.

As much as we might want to point at others, and stick up for each other, we have to sort ourselves out or this only ends one way.

[The Dude 20,026]

Just now, GA1972 said:

You’re making excuses for lack of nous shown by those in the directors box 

Why can the Club as others have said not release clearly in a statement (which they should’ve done upon finding out FARE were coming back to Ibrox) something to the effect of  ‘Please don’t sing x song and y song due to potential repercussions from UEFA and beyond. We understand that most fans would not partake in any sectarian singing but as a duty of care to the club and it’s fans we must ask that the actions of a minority don’t have a negative future impact on the club in the form of UEFA sanctions including stadium closures, fines and expulsion from UEFA competition. I’m sure we don’t need to explain to you how severe the impact of these possible sanctions would be from a footballing, financial and supporters perspective. We thank you for your fantastic ongoing support and your cooperation in this matter.’

This would acknowledge the problem. It’s like they want to act like the songs don’t exist while also condemning the fans for singing them at the moment. Fans should know what not to sing yes but a lot of fans aren’t as well informed as we are when it comes to such matters and will continue singing whatever they want until they are definitively told not to. 

They've been saying it over and over for years mate. I've heard it for literally most of my life and I'm in my early 30s. The club shouldn't need to tell you not to do it on occasions when there might be someone there. We face the same potential risk regardless of whether FARE are there so there's no reason to put out any additional warnings beyond the ones played before every game at Ibrox.

[The Dude 20,026]

1 minute ago, Gascoigne8 said:

Far from being a nobody, peter lawwell will be in contact with these guys at uefa if not on a weekly, at least a monthly basis.

 

UEFA like all big organisations are needing a whipping boy (aka not a Real Madrid/Barca/Chelsea etc) to nail their sexist/racist/sectarian policies on and carry the can. I started a topic a couple of days ago saying the timing seems to be to the detriment of our season and the betterment of Celtics season. Without resorting to whataboutery, where are UEFA not breaking out the big guns and chasing a club who have had 6 people jailed or convicted of proven paedophile charges instead of people who sing songs with "naughty" words in them???

This is the tip of the iceberg, i cant see how it took 4 weeks to come up with the first charge and now we have wind of a second one after a matter of days? I would also point to the fact that FARE have a season book for our games and also how many times have the other lot been up on UEFA charges but never faced a stadium closure?  Lawwell has a bigger hand in this than many would like to believe. I just find it all too "coincidental"

Why would he be in such regular contact with them?

[Bad Robot 21,150]

19 minutes ago, Reformation Bear said:

Seems to me the Board has found itself unable to fully or properly anticipate the potential for problems with UEFA and FARE.      Caught unprepared and scrambling to try to apply an effective course of action.    The Board are untouchable though.    There's absolutely nothing the Support can to do galvanise them into better quality guardianship of the Club and better quality defence of the Club's name, history and reputation.     

Its for individual supporters to make their own minds up on what to do next not just at the Legia game but at the OF game, and domestic games for the rest of the season (and European games if we qualify).      It will be very interesting this time on Thursday night to see if there has been any Supporter behaviour which the Board now find unacceptable...…..and what the potential consequences might be from UEFA whether or not we quality for the next stage of the tournament. 

The latest Rangers message includes the phrase........"One way or another this offensive behaviour must end and it would be much more preferable if we stopped it ourselves, simply by behaving like true Rangers fans."     I wonder what options they think they have when they refer to 'one way or the other'.     At one level its  looking to the Support at a game to somehow collectively self-regulate  so that no problem arises.   That'd be quite a trick to pull off given the very heated views being expressed in SM forums.    At another level the so-called offensive behaviour is eliminated at a game (away or at home) if there are no Supporters present, or if the Club is chucked out of a tournament.  

But that'd be a narrowish view and pointed only at European games.     I suspect the Club statement, added to the previous statement, are about more than European games.   

I think they are aimed at all games - including domestic games.     The reason for this is I can't see this Board being satisfied with somehow trying to juggle a twin track Supporter behaviour approach where there is a crossing of collective Board fingers that at each European game there behaviour that doesn't attract FARE / UEFA sanctions, only for the leash to be slipped for domestic games.   No,  I think the Board statements are first salvos in their scrambling attempt to get Supporter behaviour modified on a permanent basis for domestic games too.    They will not want to clear a FARE / UEFA hurdle only to find a salivating Scottish media and political class jumping on them at every domestic game if the singing is reintroduced at these games.      And are now prepared to create cannon-fodder in the shape of UB and any other supporter group to get a revised behaviour implemented ie if they go then they go because this Board is now about defining what is acceptable Supporter behaviour in this age.     If that means casualties then it seems to me the Board is now picking its fight to accept that there will be casualties.        

The way this is heading enough pressure might be generated on a flapping Board to stretch the 'no away tickets' move to domestic games with a ratcheted self imposed warning process to go with it that if the singing is not seen and heard to be modified then it'll be selected home games which are played behind closed doors until the Supporter behaviour is brought to heel.   Total eradication not just in European games but in domestic games is what I suspect is what this Board is now about.    A Board that is untouchable so just as there is no fighting UEFA on their rules as its their tournament, there is no fighting this Rangers board because it has created for itself an untouchable position.      

2 very big home games this week.    It'll be very interesting to see how the Support reacts at both.  And after each what words King and his board have to say about Supporter behaviour. 

 

 by refusing to take away tickets domestically allows the club to warn our away support about future offensive behaviour plus it’s also a convenient payback to those clubs who put the boot into us and rely on our blue pound 

[falkirkNS 6,298]

I can see a few apologists and snpira'rs on here giving it yaldy pandering... getting a sore nose when "there" attending matches at Ibrox in the near distant future 

[LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,510]

Peter Lawwell's fault again then aye?

[mitre_mouldmaster 21,509]

Just now, falkirkNS said:

I can see a few apologists and snpira'rs on here giving it yaldy pandering... getting a sore nose when "there" attending matches at Ibrox in the near distant future 

[Gascoigne8 3,378]

1 minute ago, The Dude said:

Why would he be in such regular contact with them?

Brief biog:

Lawwell has served as an Executive Board Member of ECA since March 2014, has been a member of the UEFA Club Competitions Committee since 2015 and Lawwell has served as an Executive Board Member of ECA since March 2014, has been a member of the UEFA Club Competitions Committee since 2015 and was elected as one of ECA’s four representatives on UEFA’s Professional Football Strategy Council (PFSC) in August 2017. elected as one of ECA’s four representatives on UEFA’s Professional Football Strategy Council (PFSC) in August 2017.

 

you think since 2014 hes not made contacts or spoke to anyone in the UEFA set up?  Ffs it was a matyer of months ago he was trying to squeeze celtic into the elite UEFA rebranding of the champions league/european cup, giving clubs who had won the thing group 1 status when it came to a rejig of the format

[bluenoz 30,836]

2 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

To be honest, the club did fuck up a bit here.

I dont think they were expecting another charge to land so quickly.

We cant shift the blame here though. The blame does lie at the fans singing these songs.

As much as we might want to point at others, and stick up for each other, we have to sort ourselves out or this only ends one way.

Let's face it mate, it probably happened in all 7 occasions this year as well as our run in last year. So why now and why twice in the last six days? Simply to upset us and divide our support over the next two games. People will say what has UEFA got to do with Sunday but it always seems to be bad press before our big encounters. Call it as it as you see it but I no longer trust any cunt and I'm usually naive.

[BlueThunder 8,453]

56 minutes ago, The Dude said:

No, I'm having a look through their website just no and they do seem to cover a pretty wide number of games but it's not really a surprise that they'd target fans with relatively recent charges for it.

Are the figures readily available? How many times have the gone to the Girodome? Maybe i’m Wrong but I thought a couple of the heir-yin’s are Sellick fans.

[The Dude 20,026]

2 minutes ago, falkirkNS said:

I can see a few apologists and snpira'rs on here giving it yaldy pandering... getting a sore nose when "there" attending matches at Ibrox in the near distant future 

What an utterly bizarre post.

[Tomatasauce 1,253]

Somebody sent me this, I’m assuming it’s a wind up but if it’s not it’s fucking batshit crazy that this is deemed acceptable behaviour and certain words in a song isn’t 

[Bad Robot 21,150]

3 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Why would he be in such regular contact with them?

he’s obviously been meeting people up until getting his new post with them as they’ve not just pulled is name out a hat.

So when’s the breaking news story of the nonces being charged with throwing bottles as surely your contacts will be confirming this anytime soon?

[Davy Vandenbroucke 26,159]

3 minutes ago, falkirkNS said:

I can see a few apologists and snpira'rs on here giving it yaldy pandering... getting a sore nose when "there" attending matches at Ibrox in the near distant future 

Hayfever?

Or just a cold?

[mitre_mouldmaster 21,509]

Just now, Tomatasauce said:

Somebody sent me this, I’m assuming it’s a wind up but if it’s not it’s fucking batshit crazy that this is deemed acceptable behaviour and certain words in a song isn’t 

That is fucking epic to be fair!

[HuistraHairDo 12,490]

I’m away tae bed fuck the fenian bastards.

@Reformation Bearjust tipped me over the edge there. Great poster  but I wish you would chop your posts down mate 

[falkirkNS 6,298]

Just now, The Dude said:

What an utterly bizarre post.

Your the first, @ admin, can I filter out apologists and hand wringers out on the forum, bad enough reading all the bangers on super fb platforms....

[Bad Robot 21,150]

1 minute ago, Tomatasauce said:

Somebody sent me this, I’m assuming it’s a wind up but if it’s not it’s fucking batshit crazy that this is deemed acceptable behaviour and certain words in a song isn’t 

It would depend how close it was to their stadium otherwise it’s got nothing to do with uefa 

[The Dude 20,026]

1 minute ago, Gascoigne8 said:

Brief biog:

Lawwell has served as an Executive Board Member of ECA since March 2014, has been a member of the UEFA Club Competitions Committee since 2015 and Lawwell has served as an Executive Board Member of ECA since March 2014, has been a member of the UEFA Club Competitions Committee since 2015 and was elected as one of ECA’s four representatives on UEFA’s Professional Football Strategy Council (PFSC) in August 2017. elected as one of ECA’s four representatives on UEFA’s Professional Football Strategy Council (PFSC) in August 2017.

 

you think since 2014 hes not made contacts or spoke to anyone in the UEFA set up?  Ffs it was a matyer of months ago he was trying to squeeze celtic into the elite UEFA rebranding of the champions league/european cup, giving clubs who had won the thing group 1 status when it came to a rejig of the format

So why would he speak to them weekly or monthly? So far you've said he's speak to them with pretty remarkable regularity, given me a biography of him and a brief overview of a PR puff-piece from one of celtic's partners.

[Gascoigne8 3,378]

9 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Why would he be in such regular contact with them?

Just a wee add on.........

 

Meetings
As a general rule, the UEFA Executive Committee meets once every two months, and is convened by the UEFA President. The UEFA President may invite third parties to attend meetings of the UEFA Executive Committee in an advisory capacity. The committee has a quorum of more than half of its voting members, including the UEFA President or, in his absence, a vice-president.

[bluenoz 30,836]

1 minute ago, HuistraHairDo said:

I’m away tae bed fuck the fenian bastards.

@Reformation Bearjust tipped me over the edge there. Great poster  but I wish you would chop your posts down mate 

X 10 sometimes there is no need. 

[mitre_mouldmaster 21,509]

6 minutes ago, HuistraHairDo said:

I’m away tae bed fuck the fenian bastards.

@Reformation Bearjust tipped me over the edge there. Great poster  but I wish you would chop your posts down mate 

Night night!