Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Apart from being forced to sell to Craig Whyte because he was shitting it over the BTC. Now that he hasn't really done all the things he was being accused of, ruining Rangers etc..Has anyone had a change of opinion? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,287 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 No chance he knew exactly who he was selling the club to and what would follow Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblueal 2,117 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 No i have always thought he was placed in a difficult position by the LBG but i think he took the cowards way out. He didn't want the risk and threw our club on the fire as a sacrifice. He saved his own skin and let ours burn. A man of greater fortitude would have held his position and saved us a whole load of grief. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,647 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Fucking never. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMac 1,405 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Rangers were in good nick when Murray took over with a good team on the park and the best stadium in the UK. We didn't need that many improvements. The taigs were still standing in their own piss. Total mismanagement. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
devref 201 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 not at all he sucked us all in with the big spending and for me this is where all this present shit started so no it has not and will not change Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
covbear 61 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 No, no way. He still overspent and left us in a mess financially. And selling on to Whyte says it all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHaw 513 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Murray knew that he wouldn't shift us with BTC hanging over our heads, he couldn't afford to keep us going and we were operating at a loss. We had made drastic cutbacks and were making excellent progress of clearing our debt until LTSB decided they wanted their overdraft cleared. The sad part is the debt was manageable. Walter, Bain etc. had did a great job reducing the debt and in maybe 1-2 more years if would have been fully cleared.But when he was told they wanted their money he knew that we would have to be put in to admin, he knew fine well that a CVA would be unlikely because of BTC and instead sold us to the first guy that came along to do it instead.I honestly think that he thinks his name would be saved in our history if someone else did the dirty work instead. I would rather have had him doing it and knowing that alough he may not be the greatest guy in the world that he atleast had an affliation with the club and at some point it was a good part of his life. Yet he gave us to a guy no one knew or had a clue what he was about. It left everyone worried.Rather the devil you know than the devil you don't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLawMan 6,240 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 If he hadnt sold us to Whyte, then i reckon I would feel differently.That one act for me though is enough to put him on the culpable side, though Whyte is whilly responsible for where we are today, the little Kunt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non_Sucumbi 876 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Can never forgive him for selling to White for two reasons;1) to get Lloyds debt off his own back in order to secure a massive loan for MIH2) If he was confident about the BTC he had another great reason for not selling.Sorry David when the going got tough you fukked off. For that their is no forgiveness. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry handsome 629 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 It will all come out in the wash now, he will come out fighting as will Rangers and i reckon there will be a major fall out over this, which i what we need. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATP-FOREVER 5,231 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Slightly offtopic - what about someone like David King - he owned a reasonable shareholding of RFC - and now it is liquidated/admin, he owns nothing of it. Surely he has recourse over someone; sdm, cw, or hmrc etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2daludaludalu 390 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 He sold to Craig Whyte, and fucked up big time and he knows it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEFTONG 60,462 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I always argued with my auld Da about Murray and his positive or negative impact on the RANGERS.. He was and still is a fan but recognises that selling to whyte was a cowardly running away act of a desperado..(oops no sick joke intended there..honest!!).. I never really liked his look at me im no a fan but im gonnae be lord and master of my Ibrox kingdom attitude.. I objected to naming the training centre after him and his total disregard for any fans asking him uncomfortable questions.. The Albion..the edmiston club..the jjb deal.. Of course my auld man retorts with Laudrup & Gascoigne which is fair enough.. But when he started continuous credit card scheme and the very near "give us £30 a month so you can still call yourself a RANGERS FAN" Begging letters then he had "lost the plot" and he made as much out of us as he claims he lost.. So NO my thoughts on murray remain the same.. My auld man will give me a "thick ear" when i read him this post!! And im 41 next week...RANGERS THEN..NOW..FOREVER.. WATP. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Carpintero 546 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 No, not a chance. Gambling with our future is not to be forgiven, he done it at least two or three times. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCS 649 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Murray has a great deal to answer for, and no one should be deceived by the favourable outcome to the BTC. Murray wil (quite rightly) revel in the successful conclusion to the case, but it will not obscure his maladministration and reckless management of our club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Bear 283 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 No chance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallows high 208 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 The hate should be directed at lloyds bank . They forced Murray to sell , they were pulling the rug from him on all of his businesses as his banking covenants were being breached . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLACHLAN1 49 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 If he hadn't been a coward and jumped ship and sold to Whyte none of this would of happened. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,307 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 No because I hadn't yet blamed him for the BTC, as I was waiting on the result.However he will forever be known as the person who sold Rangers to CW. That says it all IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue72 8 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Getting involved heavily with a tax avoidance scheme was total recklessness.Making payments with tax free 'loans' that don't have to be paid back..?it doesn't take much common sense to realize it would come back and bite us in the arse at some point in the future.Happy that we won the case, but to be honest..who really expected it...?Craig Whyte certainly didn't - that's why he didn't bother to pay any more tax.Murray should never have got us into this situation in the first place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny131 11 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 He fucked up By selling to Whyte, but his hand was being forced by LLoyds at the time. And nobody should forget that after yesterday we were only 18million in debt not the reported 95million that the tax man wanted so we were in good finiacial health to be fair.SDM made us the most prolific league winners in the world 54 and counting this should not be forgotten or the fact he brought us players like gaza, Laudrup, Albertz, Van bronchurst, Mols the list is huge. And after all that spending we were 18 million in debt.I do think he knew that Whyte would take us into Liquadation, because Im not sure he new that we would be cleared in the EBT situation, because we were being witch hunted from all corners.In the end his only crime was selling to that shyster Whyte Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamie 4,855 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Murray will never be forgiven. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeney 241 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 How much can we blame Murray for selling to the wrong person? Murray was forced to sell with next to no ability to refuse an offer. Had Murray not been forced to sell to Whyte, I don't think he would have. I don't think he would have ignored the loud voices in his own camp if he didn't have a gun against his back by Lloyds being marched into the room to sign over. Murray gave us some of the best years in our history, complete domestic dominance and signings we could only dream about. Still in this thread i see people saying this was overspending, I ask how? Yesterday that "overspending" was justified. When the screws began to turn, Murray and co reduced our spending to manageable levels while still delivering Domestic, and European successes and massively reducing our debts.How much is the guy who sold Liverpool to Gilette and Hicks to blame for their troubles? Or the guy who sold Gretna and Milestone? or the guy who sold Portsmouth to Chainrai? Our club paid no tax. That is why we are where we are and the man responsible for that is Whyte, an unjustifiably rich business man who for whatever reason, decided to play chicken with HMRC. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Will never be changed..........was never abut the EBT scheme was about his running of the club and his silence when those bastards mouthed off about us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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