mitre_mouldmaster 21,510 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 With our good run in the Scottish cup, some thoughts have started to drift onto the hopes of actually winning the thing! Whilst, very difficult, there is a chance it could happen, and if it did, the talk has already begun on the knock on effect of qualifying for a place in Europe.It is worth noting that a similar but not exact example happened in Ireland where Derry City qualified for a Europa League place after their liquidation and rebirth. Their FA backed the stance, and they were nominated for a place, only for Uefa to knock it back.As far as I can see, Derry City, the original club was actually liquidated as their was no transference of economic entity, which is different from our own situation. I also believe that they were given a new FA licence rather than having the original one transferred.Although there are some differences, I would imagine that Uefa will not treat the situations very differently. We should still apply, but should not get our hopes up.Regardless, I will take getting knocked back by Uefa right now if offered, as this would mean we would be the cup winners! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Certainly if the question comes up i'd want the club to pursue all the possibilities, Green was seemingly doing that anyway when meeting with UEFA etc.But you're correct that we shouldn't get our hopes up, and the cup win would be amazing with or without the European place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchieshearercaldow 22,302 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Their FA backed them......that's the big difference, ours won't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbyloyal84 130 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 the cup win would be fantastic but even more fantastic would be the timplosion should we be allowed into europe but lets just win the cup first and take it from there Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulboy 2,521 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 So this rule will only apply if it's an English Spanish Italian or German team that gains a place without 3 years of accounts Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,510 Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 Oh, and for the record.Derry City, who were liquidated, and knocked back by Uefa for the 3 year rule, have a lesser claim to be the same club than we do.Uefa website clearly states that their history is maintained and they are a continuation, adding to their history.Not saying anything we don't already know, but is good to have other examples. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombaybadboy08 15,660 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 You don't ask - you don't get.Ask the question then kick up fuck if it's not the answer we are looking for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hilts 12,819 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 it would be great, although I doubt we'd get past the first preliminary round of qualifying plus, there's more chance of Samaras belting out the Sash on Saturday night than the SFA backing us Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hubbard 280 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Motherwell made a big loss from their europa quali Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,510 Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 So this rule will only apply if it's an English Spanish Italian or German team that gains a place without 3 years of accountsWould imagine it would depend on which club was being effected.If say Deportivo win the league without the accounts, and are stopping Barca getting into the tournament, then Uefa would block them. If it is the other way round, Uefa will look the other way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,513 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 It doesn't look good with that but let's try win the cup and if we do, throw our hat in the ring and see what happens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue No11 235 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Ask the SFA for fcuk all. We will do it by the book.No favours from no scum,thank you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmcf 34,995 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Is it not the case that the sfa would have to recommend it on our behalf ? I don't see liewell wanting any chance of us getting European money until he has to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blumhoilann 6,712 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Derry City were liquidated on at least 2 occasions and are still the same club,haha but these Tims are all the same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hume 13,705 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Nothing ventured, Nothing gained, It's actually great to have something positive to go for, so, let's go for it.It's in our hands now, well worth the effort, and achievable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterC 12,574 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Word I'm hearing is if we win the cup then they will consider giving us a euro spot Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterC 12,574 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 dp Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Motherwell made a big loss from their europa qualiMotherwell don't have 50000 seats and a potential worldwide TV audience. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozblue 4,332 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Motherwell made a big loss from their europa qualiMonetary wise, that's a valid point,JH. It also didn't do the reputation of Scottish football much good either. The money on offer for the Europa is shite unless you go all the way in it to cover travel costs to places like Eastern Europe Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 The squeaky wheel is the one that gets oiled. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietspam 733 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 We haven't won it yet lads. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 85,416 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Londonderry FC Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLawMan 6,240 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 As has been pointed out the major difference in Derry City's case is that they did not obtain a continual FA licence which when you read in conjunction with the UEFA process on this exception ruling was a deal breaker.Our licence is a continual membership. If you gave me £100k to bet on yes or no, i would bet that we would get the licence to play. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectre 1,663 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 As has been pointed out the major difference in Derry City's case is that they did not obtain a continual FA licence which when you read in conjunction with the UEFA process on this exception ruling was a deal breaker.Our licence is a continual membership. If you gave me £100k to bet on yes or no, i would bet that we would get the licence to play. This is where I get confused because despite being told by others that they've read it, as far as I can see that's what the rule (rather than the exemption) asks for, that we have a continued membership for at least 3 years (which we surely do) and an existing relationship with the FA, there doesn't seem to be mention of this 3 years of audited accounts rule. To me under the rules we could even have been eligible last season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLawMan 6,240 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 This is where I get confused because despite being told by others that they've read it, as far as I can see that's what the rule (rather than the exemption) asks for, that we have a continued membership for at least 3 years (which we surely do) and an existing relationship with the FA, there doesn't seem to be mention of this 3 years of audited accounts rule. To me under the rules we could even have been eligible last season.There is definitely a reference to audited accounts in the rules. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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