JRodgA2k8 542 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 This 4-4-2 experiment has now went on far too long, we really need to consider going back to our trusty 4-5-1 formation which while at times was horrible to watch provided us with positive results on the pitch.Our midfield currently is way too weak which is emphasised by the domination from Hibs yesterday and we need to swamp that area again to try and regain a bit of control. We give away that area too easily and have done for months now. The combination of Black/Law doesn't work or at least they seen incapable as a duo to take control in a packed midfield courtesy our opponents.If we play with some natural width/creativity on either side with the likes of Templeton/Aird with supporting runs from midfield to a sole striker we will no doubt reap greater benefits than what we have done recently.People do say Boyd can't play up on his own but he's the reason we're playing 2 up and tbh it hasn't worked and yet we continue to play that way when he isn't starting games.I would like to see us return to this formation next week and hopefully select the correct personnel to get the most out of it.I doubt many will agree but right now it seems the only way forward in regards to setting up our teams and becoming hard to beat yet again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibble 25 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I agree with you. We need a third man in the centre of midfield, and pace in the wide areasI was trying to think, hypothetically, what Walter would do if he was in charge of this shower of shite. I think Walter would go with something like this (when all fit) ....BellFaure, McGregor, Zaliukas, WallaceHuttonShiels, McCulloch, MacLeod, TempletonMillerYes it would be dull, but it would probably have a chance of getting results Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsonRFC82 305 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I would tend to agree with that, ideally accompanied by some presonnel changes but don´t see that happening under KMc.As things stand, Macleod with Black/Hutton. Aird & Temps wide and Law/Shiels playing off Miller. I do think this would function far better than the 442 that far too easily exposes the failings of Law & Black (who are both shitebags unfortunately). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsonRFC82 305 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 And in respect of Boyd, he doesn´t even look like a professional footballer let alone play like one...how many times does the ball actually ricochet off him when trying to control the thing FFS. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barcodebear 85 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I agree with you. We need a third man in the centre of midfield, and pace in the wide areasI was trying to think, hypothetically, what Walter would do if he was in charge of this shower of shite. I think Walter would go with something like this (when all fit) ....BellFaure, McGregor, Zaliukas, WallaceHuttonShiels, McCulloch, MacLeod, TempletonMillerYes it would be dull, but it would probably have a chance of getting resultsBest of friends. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,418 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 We should have had a 3rd man in midfield yesterday, but of course we learned hee-haw from the last game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kpwomble 11 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 We need to change something or anything, an extra man in midfield would help but the problem then is we will play a lone striker and isolate him. RobinsonSinnamon mcgregor faure wallace Mculloch Templeton McLeod Murdoch shiels Miller Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamie 4,849 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Only play players who actually want to be at the club. Foster, black, law, mohsni, peralta make them train with the kids, keep their cancerous attitude as far from the first team as possible. Any of our under 20s would give more fight than these imposters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamess 3,435 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 We do indeed have a non existent mid field, but parking the cart horse mcCulloch in their ain't going to help much. And don't get me started on that imposter Law....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dummiesoot 16,013 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Fucking McCulloch... Why? should he be near any team. He ain't a CB and games pass him by in midfield even under walter. No chance.Agree with the general theme of the OP though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacBoyd 5,495 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Why are people playing Miller he's done the games just pass him by. Boyd would actually offer more than Miller atm Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornabear 6,208 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Got to agree with the OP. Winning the midfield is controlling the game.Simples. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRodgA2k8 542 Posted December 28, 2014 Author Share Posted December 28, 2014 Got to agree with the OP. Winning the midfield is controlling the game.Simples.You'd think it would be simples mate...but sadly nobody can see it in the coaching team, been a problem all season long. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sket 13,610 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 The formation is irrelevant when the players have chucked it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelavic191 4,474 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Totally agree, although I would prefer a slightly more attacking version of it. For too long its been obvious that a midfield 2 of Black and Law is not enough. The one up front should be Clark. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moody Blue 9,404 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 We need two mobile defensive midfielders protecting the back four and allowing two full backs to push on at times. Three rotating central midfielders then pushing forward to support a single guy up top, capable of running beyond the striker and getting in the box. Unfortunately, we don't have personnel capable of doing that or coached that way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wearethepeople72 1,847 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Agreed. Get Templeton and Aird on the pitch at the same time with Law playing off Clark and play football! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballochger 36 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Anyone who thinks bringing in Hutton will improve the team has a severe problem451 be negative and defensive? ?Why don't we try 433 or 343 concentrate on atacking as we don't have anywhere enough good defensive resources to play defencesivley although we do and we lose lots of goals to the worst hibs team in history Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB 599 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 While many were slating Foster for 3 of the 4 goals yesterday I went back and watched it again. In each occasion the back 4 are being pulled all over the place due to McCulloch's inability to play the position/lack of pace. With McCulloch in the back 4 we also play the midfield too far back. Get him to fuck out of there and play and press higher up the field. and yes a wake up call next game the team should beRobinsonSimmanon McGregor Faure WallaceAird McLeod, Murdoch Shiels Clarke Boyd/MillerPut the ball on the ground and play fitbaAnd the first cunt that looks as though they do not give a shit gets to fuck real early. We ONLY play at a high pace high pressing game if you are not up for it pack yer bags and go. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsden bear 2,376 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 name me one decent team in Europe who still play 4 4 2 ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wearethepeople72 1,847 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Anyone who thinks bringing in Hutton will improve the team has a severe problem451 be negative and defensive? ?Why don't we try 433 or 343 concentrate on atacking as we don't have anywhere enough good defensive resources to play defencesivley although we do and we lose lots of goals to the worst hibs team in historyChanging to a 4-5-1 doesn't necessarily mean playing more defensively. If we did that it would allow us to play with two attacking wingers in Aird and Templeton (which we don't at present). It would also allow us to play Law off the striker (like he did at Motherwell and was a far better player).Playing that would be a much more attacking formation than a 4-4-2 with Smith at LM.As for the worst Hibs team in history, they are probably a better team now than the one that got relegated last season under Butcher. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boybluesy 3,734 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I agree with you. We need a third man in the centre of midfield, and pace in the wide areasI was trying to think, hypothetically, what Walter would do if he was in charge of this shower of shite. I think Walter would go with something like this (when all fit) ....BellFaure, McGregor, Zaliukas, WallaceHuttonShiels, McCulloch, MacLeod, TempletonMillerYes it would be dull, but it would probably have a chance of getting resultsHonestly, Jig has to go........and Shiels does fuck all now, and Hutton ? fuck sake. Has to be Aird, Black, Law and Daly and Clark in there Jeez, like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chambo 197 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I've thought this for a while. We constantly get over run in midfield and Law in particular goes missing. Maybe Black's shortcomings are sometimes down to not having enough help in the middle. I'd play a 4-2-3-1 with Black and Hutton holding, Law on the left which I know is unconventional but he has scored some really good goals coming inside on to his right foot and I don't think we have anybody to throw crosses into anway so wouldn't really need him going past men to cross the ball. I'd have Templeton on the right, give him 6/8 games uninterrupted and see if he can improve on his consistency and McLeod playing in the middle with Clark up top. Hopefull the two holding would give the defence cover and the front 4 would have lots of pace and movement. Foster is a bombscare but we have no one better at the moment and although McCulloch isn't quick again I don't think we have a better option. So with everyone fit i'd go;BellFoster McGregor McCulloch WallaceBlack HuttonTempleton McLeod LawClarkUntil Bell and McLeod were fit I'd replace them with Simonsen and Shiels. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibble 25 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I like your thinking Chambo.Only changes I would make is give a youth a chance over Hutton (maybe Sinnamon?) and get Zaliukas in instead of McCullochOther than that, I like your thinking Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibble 25 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Then again, I wouldn't shed a tear if Ian "Ladbrokes" Black was told he'd never play for us again Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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