ForeverAndEver 71,638 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Just now, Lloyd72 said: No he passes the ball better than any of our other CBs and has more technical ability than Hill and Wilson combined. HE CANNY DEFEND. Passing means fuck all if you canny defend. centenarystand 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Soprano 13,964 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 6 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said: What a load of pish, they're shite that's it. That is not a load of pish. Whilst I don't think they are the greatest players in the world, there is absolutely no doubt they were left exposed big time by the lack of a proper CDM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lloyd72 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Just now, ForeverAndEver said: HE CANNY DEFEND. Passing means fuck all if you canny defend. He can defend tho, he got a lot of shit last season because he spent most of his time cleaning up after Wilson. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGOH 2,344 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 1 minute ago, Lloyd72 said: He can defend tho, he got a lot of shit last season because he spent most of his time cleaning up after Wilson. Wilson is better out the 2, how many times did Kiernan give away stupid free-kicks at the half-way line for no reason and suddenly we are under pressure again, he's no good enough Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,638 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, Mr Soprano said: That is not a load of pish. Whilst I don't think they are the greatest players in the world, there is absolutely no doubt they were left exposed big time by the lack of a proper CDM. A don't think it'll make a difference this year mate, just don't think either of them are very good. At times last season obviously Halliday never helped them enough but some of their defending was criminal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD 7,436 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, Lloyd72 said: He can defend tho, he got a lot of shit last season because he spent most of his time cleaning up after Wilson. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,638 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, Lloyd72 said: He can defend tho, he got a lot of shit last season because he spent most of his time cleaning up after Wilson. Bullshit. Rangers_no1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,693 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 fuckin buzzin for the season Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartM6 279 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Wes Tav Kiernan Wilson Wallace Forrester Barton Halliday MOH Waggy McKay Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lloyd72 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 1 minute ago, WGOH said: Wilson is better out the 2, how many times did Kiernan give away stupid free-kicks at the half-way line for no reason and suddenly we are under pressure again, he's no good enough Disagree, Wilson was just as bad for giving away needless free kicks and gave the ball away numerous times for which Kiernan made the tackle to stop them from getting a chance on goal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lloyd72 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 1 minute ago, ForeverAndEver said: Bullshit. Just the well worded argument I'd expect from you mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartM6 279 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 6 minutes ago, Lloyd72 said: No he passes the ball better than any of our other CBs and has more technical ability than Hill and Wilson combined. no he doesn't. He consistently gives the ball away. Watch him. He tries the same pass into the middle of the park and it is nearly always cut out. Fortunately for him Clint Hill is honking and he'll start by default. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGOH 2,344 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Just now, Lloyd72 said: Disagree, Wilson was just as bad for giving away needless free kicks and gave the ball away numerous times for which Kiernan made the tackle to stop them from getting a chance on goal. Obviously a missed that when Kiernan bailed Wilson out numerous times over the season Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Soprano 13,964 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 1 minute ago, ForeverAndEver said: A don't think it'll make a difference this year mate, just don't think either of them are very good. At times last season obviously Halliday never helped them enough but some of their defending was criminal. Time will tell but I do think there will be a difference, if only slight. Halliday, for never playing there before, got a rough deal last season. I've said for ages that he'll improve more if he's in a more natural position. Fred H Crawford, The Godfather and ForeverAndEver 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,638 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 1 minute ago, Lloyd72 said: Just the well worded argument I'd expect from you mate. There is no argument. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGOH 2,344 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Will be disappointed in MW and FMcP if they think the defence is good enough going into the new season Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanoli 4,625 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 19 minutes ago, Lloyd72 said: No he passes the ball better than any of our other CBs and has more technical ability than Hill and Wilson combined. He also doesnt have a brain. And Hill wasnt at fault for all goals. Watch the second goal again. Our whole midfield are taken out the game by one pass, and Kiernan lets Gray go. Hill stepped out because well he sorta had too as iur midfield were left with their dicks in their hands and Kiernan was picking up the forward. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prso's headband 35,573 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Wilson is our best CB. Really stepped it up against the "bigger" teams last season, his problem is lack of concentration when playing the smaller teams, when in reality this season we need consistency against every team. Kiernan is too rash and can't head a ball. If you can't win a header against 5ft Scott McDonald what chance have you got?. Goes clean through players closer to the half way line which gives the other teams possession and a breather. Hill seems to be the most commanding in the air but obviously lacks the pace. It's fundamental to our challenge we get someone in who is considerably better than the 3 Band of Brothers, ForeverAndEver, Rangers_no1 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 72,051 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 It would be a minor miracle winning the league with Kiernan playing every week. Hopefully Mark now see's his limitations and benches the boy until he get's his act together. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lloyd72 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 6 minutes ago, Vanoli said: He also doesnt have a brain. And Hill wasnt at fault for all goals. Watch the second goal again. Our whole midfield are taken out the game by one pass, and Kiernan lets Gray go. Hill stepped out because well he sorta had too as iur midfield were left with their dicks in their hands and Kiernan was picking up the forward. I agree the midfield was caught to far upfield but Hill should have stood his ground not running forward leaving a gap for Gray to run into, as soon as Hill stepped up Wallace should have tucked in but he never. Can't see where Kiernan gets the blame there tbh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanoli 4,625 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Just now, Lloyd72 said: I agree the midfield was caught to far upfield but Hill should have stood his ground not running forward leaving a gap for Gray to run into, as soon as Hill stepped up Wallace should have tucked in but he never. Can't see where Kiernan gets the blame there tbh. So you can't see him letting his man go then? Yes, for that goal there's shared liability - Kiernan has his share as well as Barton, Halliday, Hill and Wallace. He didn't have the awareness to track his runner; even if your partner makes a mistake in stepping out, and your full back fails to tuck in - you track the danger anyway. There was no other threat around, he didn't even switch off. He's just flat out not good enough a player to anticipate danger at any reasonable level. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lloyd72 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, Vanoli said: So you can't see him letting his man go then? Yes, for that goal there's shared liability - Kiernan has his share as well as Barton, Halliday, Hill and Wallace. He didn't have the awareness to track his runner; even if your partner makes a mistake in stepping out, and your full back fails to tuck in - you track the danger anyway. There was no other threat around, he didn't even switch off. He's just flat out not good enough a player to anticipate danger at any reasonable level. You are talking about this goal aye? Where Wallaces positioning was far too wide and it cost us because he couldn't get to Gray quick enough. There is absolutely no way you can say Kiernan has a blame in that goal, considering Gray played off Hills shoulder obviously to expose his lack of pace. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanoli 4,625 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 16 minutes ago, Lloyd72 said: You are talking about this goal aye? Where Wallaces positioning was far too wide and it cost us because he couldn't get to Gray quick enough. There is absolutely no way you can say Kiernan has a blame in that goal, considering Gray played off Hills shoulder obviously to expose his lack of pace. The video isn't long enough to show it but Gray moved across from Kiernan to Hill. 1st mistake; you can't just pass him over when Hill already has Arfield running at him after the midfield was taken out. 2nd; even after that, the goals still avoidable if someone covers Hill, Wallace and Kiernan both failed to do so. Kiernan is sitting spare when the pass is played, he should be reading the danger and covering just as much as Wallace. Its such a basic goal, and it's worrying. As I said there's a lot of shared liability there, but you're mused off if you think Kiernan doesn't have a share. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFCRobertson 11,789 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Lloyd72 said: No he passes the ball better than any of our other CBs and has more technical ability than Hill and Wilson combined. He can pick out and make long passes up the park, he's no afraid to run up and keep a press going either Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGOH 2,344 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 1 minute ago, RFCRobertson said: He can pick out and make long passes up the park, he's no afraid to run up and keep a press going either Why would you want your centre back pressing the game ? The Godfather 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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