The Tavernator 279 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 5 hours ago, plymouthranger said: We're either going to be good next year, and have a team we can really feel connected to as a fanbase. Or we're going to have a bunch of absolute nutters getting sent over every other week... Or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack The Flipper 5,936 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 I don't know, I'm starting to get a bit annoyed at the all talk no real substance thing. I guess I'm just being a bit OTT because Warburton did the same. But, this guy does seem to really get it, and from the start - more than the bread man. I'd just like him to be as good on the field as he is as in front of the press. I suppose it's a sizeable part of his job - these press things. Tiring. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
With Heart and Hand 8,949 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 28 minutes ago, Jack The Flipper said: I don't know, I'm starting to get a bit annoyed at the all talk no real substance thing. I guess I'm just being a bit OTT because Warburton did the same. But, this guy does seem to really get it, and from the start - more than the bread man. I'd just like him to be as good on the field as he is as in front of the press. I suppose it's a sizeable part of his job - these press things. Tiring. I think there's too many members if staff doing too much talking. I don't like King etc saying how many players they're bringing in and I don't like the manager discussing signings until the deal is done. There's no reason for it, if they do sign the player then all they've done Is what they said they'd do and if they don't then they look like bullshitters. It just leaves them open to criticism Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,647 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 He's got a massive job ahead and hopefully they give him funds to do it, all we can do is wait and see and hope it comes good ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietspam 733 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 I read that in his voice Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp9 753 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 I'm underwhelmed by the fact that Pedro was brought in to manage and not recruit, and now he's talking about overhauling our entire squad with another set of players who will doubt be given c3 year contracts. We're trusting him to do the job our DoF was meant to do. it doesn't fill me with confidence Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,286 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 He certainly talks a good game but so far that's as far as it goes Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilberforce1 605 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Warriors? Excellent. We could play this, rather than Simply The Best. It'd scare the shite out of the opposition.... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YeEbtiruH2Q Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp9 753 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 1 hour ago, gsa said: Ludicrous comment in my opinion and completely neglecting the facts. We need quality this time? Walter spent a lot of money second time around. Thomson, Whittiker, Davies, Cueller, Cousin, Mendes, Jelevic, Naismith, etc, etc. We do not have the money for that quality now. I wish people would stop making out old uncle Walter took a rag tag squad from Le Guen and turned them into champions. He didn't. He was give the funds to sign a whole new squad. I get what your saying, but he didn't have funds galore. Pretty sure he spent his entire £4m transfer budget on Jelavic. Walter knew the type of player he wanted/needed and he got them and they worked. Massive difference when you look at what MW did with the money available and the return we got from them this season: Rossiter, Barton, Crooks, Senderos, Kranjkar. A disgraceful use of funds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ger_onimo 20,488 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Right. So we've got an entire squad of players who are either shite or don't want to play for us. And he's going to replace the whole lot of them, with players who will not only die for the shirt, but are also quality footballers. While this sounds fantastic, and I wish him all the luck in the world, I can't help but feel that the fact that we don't have a pot to piss in might hamper his ambitions somewhat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsa 3,906 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 19 minutes ago, cp9 said: I get what your saying, but he didn't have funds galore. Pretty sure he spent his entire £4m transfer budget on Jelavic. Walter knew the type of player he wanted/needed and he got them and they worked. Massive difference when you look at what MW did with the money available and the return we got from them this season: Rossiter, Barton, Crooks, Senderos, Kranjkar. A disgraceful use of funds. Thomson, cousin, Mendes, edu, Davies, Cueller....none of them free transfers. I agree Warburton wasted what money he did have, I wasn't arguing that point. Merely questioning the narrative that Walter somehow gained success on a shoestring. He didn't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp9 753 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 35 minutes ago, gsa said: Thomson, cousin, Mendes, edu, Davies, Cueller....none of them free transfers. I agree Warburton wasted what money he did have, I wasn't arguing that point. Merely questioning the narrative that Walter somehow gained success on a shoestring. He didn't. It certainly wasn't a shoe string but it was money well spent. Something we're desperately in need of. All our signings need to work and a few of them need to be absolute gems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanoli 4,625 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 2 hours ago, gsa said: Ludicrous comment in my opinion and completely neglecting the facts. We need quality this time? Walter spent a lot of money second time around. Thomson, Whittiker, Davies, Cueller, Cousin, Mendes, Jelevic, Naismith, etc, etc. We do not have the money for that quality now. I wish people would stop making out old uncle Walter took a rag tag squad from Le Guen and turned them into champions. He didn't. He was give the funds to sign a whole new squad. And in the first season we came up short. We won domestic cups and fuck all else. Make of the european run what you want, it was great, but characterised the 07/08 team - gritty, determined, well organised. The genuine class like Davis (permanently,) Mendes and Jelavic came later, worth noting that Naismith was miles from a key member of the squad until around 2010 and from memory the likes of Thomson and Whittaker became more effective as we added further to the squad as well. Remember the big fuss in the media that we needed to sign 'flair players' round about 2009? Aye, we invested money, but if you can't see that our rebuild under Walter came in phases you're clueless. I agree though, the problem is we don't have that money now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giffnockger 4,840 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Dietspam said: I read that in his voice Haha same here quality ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanzmeanzheinz 4,312 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 8 hours ago, Lloyd72 said: Good that he's noticed that, I have faith in Pedro to bring in what we need. I'm glad you have mate because I don't. He's talking a good(ish) game. However for me a combination of him being an obscure coach and insufficient investment all points to nothing but failure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lloyd72 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Deanzmeanzheinz said: I'm glad you have mate because I don't. He's talking a good(ish) game. However for me a combination of him being an obscure coach and insufficient investment all points to nothing but failure. Stay positive mate it certainly can't be worse than last summers window Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uddingstonblue 32 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Newbee I know. Unfortunately all football managers act like politicians these days. Tell the troops what they want to hear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr3_bear 14,862 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Said it before the 5-1 debacle just after the semi . The only positive I can take from where we are just now is that Pedro has gained a huge slice of knowledge regarding what we are up against . He tried to be too respectful of Celtic in Those two games . Well he learned the hard way that they give us none so we need to return the favour . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delamonty 992 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Tell you what though.. Pedro surely to fuck talks a good game. Anyway, looking forward to next year already . WATP and GSTQ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingtom80 166 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 lets just wait and see. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NetherburnBear 173 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, kingtom80 said: lets just wait and see. Most sensible post on here.......full of doom merchants ....give the man a chance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 34,527 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 1 hour ago, cp9 said: It certainly wasn't a shoe string but it was money well spent. Something we're desperately in need of. All our signings need to work and a few of them need to be absolute gems. Smith wasted as much money and wages as anyone. People just look on it with blue tinted specs. Even in his second spell, the likes of Webster, Velicka, Amdy Faye, James Beattie, Christian Dailly, Lafferty and Rotten were dreadful signings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 34,527 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Vanoli said: And in the first season we came up short. We won domestic cups and fuck all else. Make of the european run what you want, it was great, but characterised the 07/08 team - gritty, determined, well organised. The genuine class like Davis (permanently,) Mendes and Jelavic came later, worth noting that Naismith was miles from a key member of the squad until around 2010 and from memory the likes of Thomson and Whittaker became more effective as we added further to the squad as well. Remember the big fuss in the media that we needed to sign 'flair players' round about 2009? Aye, we invested money, but if you can't see that our rebuild under Walter came in phases you're clueless. I agree though, the problem is we don't have that money now. Smith's strength was building a hardworking, defensively sound team, and having a better quality of player to do something great with the ball and win us the game. Some of the games we played would make your eyes bleed if it wasn't for the wins at the end. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanoli 4,625 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, graeme_4 said: Smith's strength was building a hardworking, defensively sound team, and having a better quality of player to do something great with the ball and win us the game. Some of the games we played would make your eyes bleed if it wasn't for the wins at the end. Which is exactly what we need to build for the season ahead. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp9 753 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 40 minutes ago, graeme_4 said: Smith wasted as much money and wages as anyone. People just look on it with blue tinted specs. Even in his second spell, the likes of Webster, Velicka, Amdy Faye, James Beattie, Christian Dailly, Lafferty and Rotten were dreadful signings. UEFA Cup Final Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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