Gazza1212 1,212 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Failure is an ongoing expense which brings increasing financial pressure with each passing year. So that then begs the question.......... If King had made good on his original promise of investment, would it have worked out cheaper in the long run than all these costly blunders? They say you get what you pay for, so seriously then....... Surely by the time you add up all the money wasted on sub standard players and management he could have saved himself, or more importantly saved us a relative fortune. HG5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post K.A.I 36,183 Posted March 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, Gazza1212 said: Failure is an ongoing expense which brings increasing financial pressure with each passing year. So that then begs the question.......... If King had made good on his original promise of investment, would it have worked out cheaper in the long run than all these costly blunders? They say you get what you pay for, so seriously then....... Surely by the time you add up all the money wasted on sub standard players and management he could have saved himself, or more importantly saved us a relative fortune. Totally agree. If we want to be successful again we need to find the investment and buy these top players now we can pay it now and stop 10 in a row ... or we can pay the same after 10 in a row and suffer it now. We will still have to pay it anyway. In fact forget 10, if don't do it we can give them 15-20 easily and lose our most successful team in the world reputation. Or we can keep on signing 3 players from Hamilton, Cardiff, QPR reserves etc instead of the 1 top class player we need and spend even more in the short term too. This is not rocket science at all. Gazza1212, Blue Avenger, HG5 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjim1690 4,534 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Kings not lost or saved any money, it's not his he's using. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsden bear 2,376 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, Gazza1212 said: Failure is an ongoing expense which brings increasing financial pressure with each passing year. So that then begs the question.......... If King had made good on his original promise of investment, would it have worked out cheaper in the long run than all these costly blunders? They say you get what you pay for, so seriously then....... Surely by the time you add up all the money wasted on sub standard players and management he could have saved himself, or more importantly saved us a relative fortune. I agree with you mate, but i don't think the moneys there. Most of the recent signing are loans with an option to buy (once the season ticket money comes in) & we have that loan option with close brothers now, again not exactly a high street lender! Its high time Dave just pissed off and freed us up from this perpetual cycle of mediocrity. We need some serious cash and professionalism at the club which wont happen until that cheapskate leaves. big blue Fin 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy1984 6,314 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 21 minutes ago, Gazza1212 said: Failure is an ongoing expense which brings increasing financial pressure with each passing year. So that then begs the question.......... If King had made good on his original promise of investment, would it have worked out cheaper in the long run than all these costly blunders? They say you get what you pay for, so seriously then....... Surely by the time you add up all the money wasted on sub standard players and management he could have saved himself, or more importantly saved us a relative fortune. Speculate to accumulate, totally agree. We will get nowhere with bargain basement and loan deals. Money needs spent on quality, the only time some decent money has been spent it was given to an absolute clown to squander. K.A.I and 35 Yard Dangerman 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A.I 36,183 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bearsden bear said: I agree with you mate, but i don't think the moneys there. Most of the recent signing are loans with an option to buy (once the season ticket money comes in) & we have that loan option with close brothers now, again not exactly a high street lender! Its high time Dave just pissed off and freed us up from this perpetual cycle of mediocrity. We need some serious cash and professionalism at the club which wont happen until that cheapskate leaves. If the money isn't there then why just spend the little we do have anyway? it seems like spending for the sake of it ... I do see the logic in this Jan window in the aim to consolodate second but that looks like a struggle now - so in essence even if it seems good on the surface, in reality we've spunked more money yet again albiet mostly wages Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Bear 8,110 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I think the summer window vs the winter window is decent enough proof that’s it’s not how much you spend but how you spend it. I mean look at Kilmarnock. Regardless of people’s opinions on how much King said he would/has put in - you can just as easily spunk £10m on garbage as you can spend £1m on quality. For me it’s not a question of “how much” - up until Jan it’s been a complete lack of strategy; it’s been clear even after kicking Ashley out there boardroom haven’t been united. Only in Jan did we see any form of strategic spending, people are completely over reacting if they think the players purchased in Jan haven’t been a succes. I’d argue maybe only Martin is one I wouldn’t keep. Now we’ve got the players, we must focus on a manager. Today was bad, last weekend was worse - but we also had our best run of games in 3 years prior to this. Let’s be a little more objective. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,567 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Until the vast majority wake up to wtf is going on right in front of their eyes and take action, nothing changes and we go around in circles, overanalysing failures, berating players and managers and just sbout every other cunt, becoming more fucking frustrated and miserable as the weeks go on as the challenge nosedives and the league is lost yet again. One can only hope that this board see that it's over for them and they find worthy suitors. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,567 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, Leeds_Bear said: I think the summer window vs the winter window is decent enough proof that’s it’s not how much you spend but how you spend it. I mean look at Kilmarnock. Regardless of people’s opinions on how much King said he would/has put in - you can just as easily spunk £10m on garbage as you can spend £1m on quality. For me it’s not a question of “how much” - up until Jan it’s been a complete lack of strategy; it’s been clear even after kicking Ashley out there boardroom haven’t been united. Only in Jan did we see any form of strategic spending, people are completely over reacting if they think the players purchased in Jan haven’t been a succes. I’d argue maybe only Martin is one I wouldn’t keep. Now we’ve got the players, we must focus on a manager. Today was bad, last weekend was worse - but we also had our best run of games in 3 years prior to this. Let’s be a little more objective. Kilmarnock are never going to come second in this league, never mind first. We are overburdened with legacy and not a pot to piss in. There was nothing strategic about spending in January. We were skint. We remain to be skint and our future depends on king staying or walking away calling in his loans. We reflect on the park what we are off it. Second rate. K.A.I and Bearsden bear 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,610 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Buy cheap buy twice. Negri's lovechild, scouseblue and K.A.I 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsden bear 2,376 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, K.A.I said: If the money isn't there then why just spend the little we do have anyway? it seems like spending for the sake of it ... I do see the logic in this Jan window in the aim to consolodate second but that looks like a struggle now - so in essence even if it seems good on the surface, in reality we've spunked more money yet again albiet mostly wages Board was under pressure after fucking up with Warbs and more so Pedro appointments. They must have felt the need to up the ante with the players to pacify the fans, but budget limited therefore we ended up with the u-20s coach and not a proper Manager! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Bear 8,110 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 28 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said: Kilmarnock are never going to come second in this league, never mind first. We are overburdened with legacy and not a pot to piss in. There was nothing strategic about spending in January. We were skint. We remain to be skint and our future depends on king staying or walking away calling in his loans. We reflect on the park what we are off it. Second rate. Agree and disagree with different parts of your post. Ultimately though January was a turning point for me and Allen clearly has a strategy. We need to collectively get behind something at some point. As an aside, you only ever seem to wade in on negative chat and drive negative discussions, why? I could’ve put my house on you being first to respond when I mentioned King (even though I wasn’t complimentary). It’s unhealthy mate, try being a little more objective. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,567 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 58 minutes ago, Leeds_Bear said: Agree and disagree with different parts of your post. Ultimately though January was a turning point for me and Allen clearly has a strategy. We need to collectively get behind something at some point. As an aside, you only ever seem to wade in on negative chat and drive negative discussions, why? I could’ve put my house on you being first to respond when I mentioned King (even though I wasn’t complimentary). It’s unhealthy mate, try being a little more objective. Utter pish. I was seventh on, so wrong to start with. Allen got better players in as I've said on many occasions, but on the cheap and that was the strategy. We are behaving like fucking beggars and it's embarassing. Whilst those players were an improvement, not an improvement enough to take a title. Too many bury their heads in the sand. King was, is and always will be bad for this club. We are second rate and always will be with him at the helm. If you think otherwise you are three years deluded. The root cause of our current problems are this board. You may be prepared to accept the erosion of standards across the board at our club and stay stoom, I'm not and I'm certainly not here to be compliant with king's suck arses who are driving this club into the ground. The truth can be a bitter pill to swallow. K.A.I and Bearsden bear 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Bear 8,110 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 21 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said: Utter pish. I was seventh on, so wrong to start with. Allen got better players in as I've said on many occasions, but on the cheap and that was the strategy. We are behaving like fucking beggars and it's embarassing. Whilst those players were an improvement, not an improvement enough to to take a title. Too many bury their heads in the sand. King was, is and always will be bad for this club. We are second rate and always will be with him at the helm. If you think otherwise you are three years deluded. The root cause of our current problems are this board. You may be prepared to accept the erosion standards across the board at our club and stay stoom, I'm not and I'm certainly not hear to be compliant with king's suck arses who are driving this club into the ground. The truth can be a bitter pill to swallow. You were the seventh person to respond to me? What are you talking about? I’ve not once complimented King, why do you keep suggesting I have? Stop letting your blind hatred of someone prevent you from being able to have a reasoned discussion. It makes you look stupid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris182 6,297 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 THE fact that Kilmarnock have played us off the park twice this season is damning. The correct manager and the right players will work wonders BridgeIsBlue 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oaktreeloyal 1,422 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, chris182 said: THE fact that Kilmarnock have played us off the park twice this season is damning. The correct manager and the right players will work wonders No disrespect but I bow to your superior intellect Sherlock. 35 Yard Dangerman and chris182 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris182 6,297 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, sondicklg said: No disrespect but I bow to your superior intellect Sherlock. You’re welcome Oaktreeloyal 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
With Heart and Hand 8,949 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Gazza1212 said: Failure is an ongoing expense which brings increasing financial pressure with each passing year. So that then begs the question.......... If King had made good on his original promise of investment, would it have worked out cheaper in the long run than all these costly blunders? They say you get what you pay for, so seriously then....... Surely by the time you add up all the money wasted on sub standard players and management he could have saved himself, or more importantly saved us a relative fortune. if King had kept his promises we wouldn't have got pumped 5-1 twice and we wouldnt have had Pedro as manager but hes a lying cunt and those who backed him are gullible mongo twats who stay silent until he does something half decent then they act like hes a hero. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyd9her 307 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 No chance we cannot spend what we don’t have and risk the clubs future. Mental chat Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassaaaa 11,406 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Boyd9her said: No chance we cannot spend what we don’t have and risk the clubs future. Mental chat The clowns running the club have been spending money we don't have for years. When you continually keep spending more than you take in the shit will eventually hit the fan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesmer 27 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 12 hours ago, K.A.I said: Totally agree. If we want to be successful again we need to find the investment and buy these top players now we can pay it now and stop 10 in a row ... or we can pay the same after 10 in a row and suffer it now. We will still have to pay it anyway. In fact forget 10, if don't do it we can give them 15-20 easily and lose our most successful team in the world reputation. Or we can keep on signing 3 players from Hamilton, Cardiff, QPR reserves etc instead of the 1 top class player we need and spend even more in the short term too. This is not rocket science at all. Was that not the thinking behind Alves? And look how that worked out. Would love to agree with you though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hustler 398 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 On 17 March 2018 at 23:32, chris182 said: THE fact that Kilmarnock have played us off the park twice this season is damning. The correct manager and the right players will work wonders But who is the correct manager ? since this board took over nearly 3 years ago we've had McCall, Warburton, Pedro and Murty twice . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKennyMiller 270 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 A substandard board with a substandard team. The only thing great about us - is us! Dave King's not the man to lead us back to the glory days and the sooner he fucks off the better! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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