SeparateEntityMyArse 53,728 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, gogzy said: Does WATP or Rule Britannia denigrate a religion or race or gender? If not then we can't be charged under racial and discriminatory behaviour. Yes actually, that's the point 😂 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/no-singing-rule-britannia-please-were-british-182456.html%3Famp&ved=2ahUKEwiogZC4lqjkAhWIiVwKHc4lCRgQFjABegQIEBAI&usg=AOvVaw3uHBx_NzFS8rLxWCzvzeFa&cf=1 It's been deemed militaristic by some, which in turns is offensive to those our British military encountered and defeated. Can you see where this is going......? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,510 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Courtyard Bear said: Nice insult better than the usual shite around here. Remember those bad words now old chap. 👍 Did we just become best friends? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasa_Papac_No1_Fan 605 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 minute ago, LaudrupsPatrickBoots said: You literally claimed they got away with the banners against Linfield and claimed they've not been charged. The moaning about being charged under a different article came after I had debunked that myth. At least keep track of your own posts here you're making a complete cunt of it. They didn't get the same charge as us even though it's the same offence, that's what getting away with it means. How the fuck can you compare a 23 grand fine to a partial closure of a stand? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: Read it again. 👍 So 23k for waving a banner about an organisation that killed family members of people in the other stands or was it for not keeping the stairways clear. It was for both charges which they were found guilty (illicit banner and blocking stairways) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, fanaticCR said: No but tell us what UEFA are seeming offensive. SLO has mentioned Follow Follow aswell fuck sake Follow Follow has a big bad add on, FTP although going by the standard we have to live by “up the falls Derry’s walls” would be against the rules as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,728 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, gogzy said: who wants? If it isn't UEFA then who gives a fuck what "they" want? UEFA have made it crystal clear that we can't sing things that are anti catholic. Does WATP or Rule Britannia denigrate a religion or race or gender? If not then we can't be charged under racial and discriminatory behaviour. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3DWATP%26amp%3Dtrue&ved=2ahUKEwibjbX8l6jkAhXFolwKHXqOBSMQFjACegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw3JwlPuwGL4t4VgiGbZPhzY&cf=1 See above for WATP offended. Going the same way too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 minute ago, The Dude said: It was for both charges which they were found guilty (illicit banner and blocking stairways) So 23k a slap on the wrist. Good punishment for a far worse offence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Just now, SeparateEntityMyArse said: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3DWATP%26amp%3Dtrue&ved=2ahUKEwibjbX8l6jkAhXFolwKHXqOBSMQFjACegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw3JwlPuwGL4t4VgiGbZPhzY&cf=1 See above for WATP offended. Going the same way too. Only a matter of time mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, rfc_watp said: Well I'm not expecting them to quote that fenian means a member of the Irish Republican Brotherhood, but rather to state that even though they don't agree with the songs that are sung - the offending word doesn't mean Catholic as is being insinuated. For them to turn round and claim that our players, staff etc could be offended by the word is accepting the word means something in which it doesn't as I don't see any Irish Republican sympathisers within our ranks. Are we supposed to just accept words meanings being changed now to benefit our detractors? So what does it mean? UEFA take their guidance on the definition of words from the courts. The courts are of the view that fenian is a sectarian term. Several others have already tried the argument that isn't true and UEFA have simply ignored it. You've literally changed the meaning of the word to suit your definition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, LaudrupsPatrickBoots said: Did we just become best friends? Almost. 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,728 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: Only a matter of time mate. Yup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Courtyard Bear said: So 23k a slap on the wrist. Good punishment for a far worse offence. Except, under UEFA's rules, it's not. A banner that was a play on an IRA road sign is definitely designed to offend but it doesn't fit the bill as discriminatory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 21 minutes ago, beararse said: What, for possibly taking extreme measures necessary for those blinded by tradition to see the severity of the situation they place the club in? One thing is for sure, everyone is now well aware of the situation and if they continue as before then they clearly value their own views on matters, which are satellite to a football club (regardless of any historic associations), more than the club they actively support. Rangers fans are now tasked with singing their support for the club and little else. Aye well aware after the fact, what good is that to anyone. The day you can’t slag of the opposition fans you might as just switch of the lights Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Dude said: Except, under UEFA's rules, it's not. A banner that was a play on an IRA road sign is definitely designed to offend but it doesn't fit the bill as discriminatory. We will disagree on that then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,510 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, Sasa_Papac_No1_Fan said: They didn't get the same charge as us even though it's the same offence, that's what getting away with it means. How the fuck can you compare a 23 grand fine to a partial closure of a stand? They were fined for an offensive flag which is all it was in reality. We've previously been fined for singing, albeit years ago, so a partial closure is an escalation of proceedings. Anyway, I'm on holiday and off out for the day so that's the last I've got to say on this for now. Have a good one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: We will disagree on that then. Which group was a sign proclaiming 'Rodgers at Work' discriminatory against? I can totally see why it would be offensive given the connotations but it's not anti- any of the protected categories. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabc10000 5,061 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: Yes actually, that's the point 😂 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/no-singing-rule-britannia-please-were-british-182456.html%3Famp&ved=2ahUKEwiogZC4lqjkAhWIiVwKHc4lCRgQFjABegQIEBAI&usg=AOvVaw3uHBx_NzFS8rLxWCzvzeFa&cf=1 It's been deemed militaristic by some, which in turns is offensive to those our British military encountered and defeated. Can you see where this is going......? 2 guesses who they will be as well that complain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Dude said: Which group was a sign proclaiming 'Rodgers at Work' discriminatory against? I can totally see why it would be offensive given the connotations but it's not anti- any of the protected categories. I have no idea what you are on about now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasa_Papac_No1_Fan 605 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 minute ago, LaudrupsPatrickBoots said: They were fined for an offensive flag which is all it was in reality. We've previously been fined for singing, albeit years ago, so a partial closure is an escalation of proceedings. Anyway, I'm on holiday and off out for the day so that's the last I've got to say on this for now. Have a good one I agree but if UEFA are going to be banning fans and shutting stadiums, then they have to be consistent with teams. Enjoy the game and hopefully we can qualify. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 2 hours ago, STEPPS BOY said: Questions need asked of the board. 1. When did they know of charge from St Josephs game? 2. When charged by Uefa over St Josephs game then why were they not proactive and inform fans that we were facing these severe sanctions? 100%. They have dropped the ball big time. If they had informed the fans right after they heard about the charge, it would have given us weeks to get our house in order, cut out the anti religious stuff and avoid further sanctions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beararse 6,375 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 54 minutes ago, Sasa_Papac_No1_Fan said: It won't matter what we sing tonight. Something will get brought up about a song after tonight if we win. Utter nonsense. That’s just paranoid ramblings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 50 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: UEFA do obviously. Fenian used to be fine it was a local thing between to sets of fans nothing to see here. You think UEFA changed their minds all by themselves. They hate WATP just as much as Fenian believe me, they hate everything that is British. They will be next. AFAIK UEFA have never punished us for singing WATP or Rule Britannia. What evidence do you have that UEFA want us to stop singing either of those things? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beararse 6,375 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 39 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: Aye well aware after the fact, what good is that to anyone. The day you can’t slag of the opposition fans you might as just switch of the lights Nobody has said you can’t slag them off. Slagging someone is entirely different to signing sectarian songs surely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 52 minutes ago, fanaticCR said: No but tell us what UEFA are seeming offensive. SLO has mentioned Follow Follow aswell fuck sake He mentioned an add on to follow follow. "fuck the pope and the vatican" UEFA say we can't denigrate a religion. I think they can make a fair argument that "fuck the pope and the vatican" does such. So the board don't need to tell you not to sing fuck the pope and the vatican, UEFA have already done so in their rules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 50 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3DWATP%26amp%3Dtrue&ved=2ahUKEwibjbX8l6jkAhXFolwKHXqOBSMQFjACegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw3JwlPuwGL4t4VgiGbZPhzY&cf=1 See above for WATP offended. Going the same way too. ok so not UEFA then, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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