Ned Ryerson 136 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Just now, stu43rigger said: At least your right about one thing 😉 I'm very rarely wrong. Never unwilling to admit when I am though. Enjoy you're drink. Its an anxiety ridden time just now and who could blame you for getting lathered. Mon the People Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vision 16,806 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Just heard off a spoonburner this was Leeann Dempster's reaction to the reconstruction panel. that was shite.mp4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebell.scot 74 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Blue Avenger said: I'm not totally convinced we officially lodged our request with the SPFL, but it was publicised. The SPFL then requested we prove or withdraw the claims and that's as far as it's got, so it's left for us to shit or get off the pot. Now I think we have a valid request, but the SPFL have put it back to us. "Rangers have called for the suspension of SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster and an investigation into the league body's handling of the members ballot. The club, who also want SPFL legal adviser Rod McKenzie removed while a probe is held, claim they have received evidence of a lack of "fair play". Rangers say they will not be "bullied into silence" over these concerns. SPFL chairman Murdoch MacLennan has told interim Rangers chairman Douglas Park to prove or withdraw the claims. MacLennan said: "It is extremely concerning that Rangers have chosen to make a number of very serious allegations against the SPFL. "In the often-heated atmosphere of Scottish football, rumour and misinformation can very quickly reach fever-point. However, allegations of a lack of even-handedness and fair play go to the very integrity of the league. "I will be writing to Mr Park asking him to urgently communicate any and all information he possesses." Rangers had said they were given evidence by a whistleblower that raised "serious concerns" over the voting process. And they claimed Doncaster tried to silence Park's attempts to discuss the matter. "We believe it is in the interests of all Scottish clubs and supporters that the evidence, which is alarming, be addressed as quickly as possible," the club's statement said. "The voting debacle and the evidence we possess raise serious questions concerning the corporate governance of the SPFL." Thats what I thought mate cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 The SPFL have said they will do an internal inquiry but then released a statement saying they find themselves to have done no wrong. Is this the official findings of their internal inquiry? If that's the case then they're not going to entertain the call for an independent inquiry, so why are they asking for all of Rangers evidence? The ball firmly in Rangers court so what will they do. Do they wait for the SFA to over rule the SPFL and instigate an independent inquiry? Do they call for an EGM? or do they do a 'Mark Daly styled' documentary exposing wrong doings to the world, then write a letters to leaders in UEFA and THE SFA demanding a independent inquiry, just like Lawwell did with our club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 54,423 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 6 hours ago, Ned Ryerson said: I'm very rarely wrong. Never unwilling to admit when I am though. Enjoy you're drink. Its an anxiety ridden time just now and who could blame you for getting lathered. Mon the People I think you might be wrong though stu43 is a strange one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brackley 1,402 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 When did this Les Gray character from Hamilton become the SPFL spokesman. All the soundbites to the media on everything seem to be coming from him. This morning he's spouting why our loan proposal was rejected and loans were always available and they never ever said otherwise. He's obviously reading from Liewells script. Can someone remind me what Doncaster is paid to do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 . Quote The Guardian Ewan Murry The voting farce questions the SPFL must answer – but hasn't The shambolic ballot and ensuing mess needs answers from the SPFL as the clamour for an independent inquiry grows In a useful news diversion a bloated, 14-person task force formed to consider reconstruction in the Scottish Professional Football League convened for the first time on Monday. A vote will be required to approve any of its recommendations. No sniggering at the back. Meanwhile the chairmen of Aberdeen and Heart of Midlothian have joined their equivalent at Rangers by calling for an independent investigation into the circumstances surrounding the ballot to abandon the 2019-20 season. This means 25% of the top division is seeking the same inquiry, which the SPFL – recently very keen on percentage mandates – has intimated no desire whatsoever to hold. “The SPFL looks an absolute mess,” Steven Gerrard said last week. But it is more serious than a PR fiasco. Ongoing doubt – triggered partly by a lack of transparency – into the governance of Scotland’s national sport is unfair on customers. Nicola Sturgeon’s stark comments on Monday regarding the non-viability of football in Scotland any time soon, including behind closed doors, will set off alarm bells but the SPFL should not simultaneously be allowed to brush off a damaging saga. Immediately after Gerrard’s comments, the Guardian asked the SPFL for clarity on its position on the convening of an independent investigation and received no reply. On Monday, the following straightforward questions were submitted. “There won’t be anything further from the SPFL on the below,” a spokesman replied. These were the questions: 1. Why does the SPFL remain reluctant to permit an independent investigation into the circumstances with chairs of 25% of the top division now supporting such a move? Speaking on Sunday, the SPFL board member Les Gray said: “There is no wrongdoing here, we are absolutely certain of that. So there is no need for investigation in my view.” This at least infers the SPFL has a predetermined position. So, too, the comments of the SPFL chairman, Murdoch MacLennan, to members: “I am entirely satisfied, based on all the information at my disposal, that the SPFL and its executives and legal advisers have acted wholly properly at every stage in this process.” By allowing an independent investigation allegations of impropriety could be comprehensively dismissed. Moreover, given the language used by Rangers in particular, the league would have scope to fight back against highly damaging claims. Instead, the SPFL is strangely reticent to permit external focus. 2. Why were emergency loans not detailed as an alternative financial distribution option in the paperwork sent out to clubs before the vote, with particular reference to the fact the league already had funds to pay end-of-season money? The key basis for calling 2019-20 as it stands, as vehemently pushed by the SPFL board, was the release of end of season prize money. “The SPFL documentation received by all clubs on Wednesday 8 April made it clear that declaring the season ended was the only way to achieve distribution of funds and to then proceed to the next stage,” a Raith Rovers statement said. However, it has emerged that the SPFL board has the power to issue emergency loans to clubs. This wasn’t highlighted or explained when the paperwork to which Raith refer to was issued. The league and its directors, naturally, need to be protected against loan defaults but there has been no articulation as to why any such payment would not be protected against - and limited to - prize money the SPFL had in its possession. The league appeared in a frantic rush to abandon the campaign. 3. Will the league publish the electronic timeline of Dundee’s two votes – and recall – from Friday 10 April? If not, why? Dundee’s role in this farce is now infamous. MacLennan explained it as thus: “One Championship club attempted to submit a voting slip, which did not reach the SPFL until late that evening. Earlier, at 6pm on Friday, that club had confirmed in writing to the SPFL that any attempted vote from that club should not be considered as cast.” The precise reasoning for Dundee’s subsequent volte face – no to yes – remain unclear. The timings of Dundee’s submissions will have an online template. The information contained therein is not remotely sensitive. In fact, one of their voting slips was in the public domain within 24 hours. There should be no problem with the league showing the public the exact details. 4. As per the Aberdeen chairman Dave Cormack’s comments on BBC Scotland, why did the SPFL chief executive, Neil Doncaster, call him at 4.40pm on the aforementioned Friday? Cormack said he had “no problem” with Doncaster calling him 20 minutes before the guidance deadline of 5pm for the vote to close. Yet Cormack stated Doncaster’s advice was that Aberdeen’s vote “didn’t matter” because the top flight had already reached the necessary 75% threshold to call the season. So Aberdeen, who had been undecided on the resolution, were given notice of an irrelevant vote. Dundee sent in two. 5. Which other clubs did Doncaster call that same day and why? As the chief executive of the league, Doncaster is an official for all 42 member clubs. The SPFL board’s strong wish for the resolution to pass was well known but if the chief executive was speaking to clubs on that theme, governance questions would be raised. 6. What was the rationale behind the “result” of an incomplete vote being published on 10 April? Much of this wholly unacceptable affair can be traced to the SPFL’s unprecedented decision to release “result” figures with a number of clubs – including, crucially, Dundee – still to register a vote. The league has not addressed why this move was taken. 7. Have the Championship clubs been asked if they felt threatened during the voting process? Cormack said the vote was “forced down our throats”. Ann Budge, the Hearts owner, has raised the possibility of the SPFL board exerting “undue influence” on the resolution process. Rangers said in a statement: “We are aware several club directors claimed they were being bullied.” The Championship, though, emerged as the most significant – and fraught – voting domain. These are only seven of the questions that the SPFL should answer but instead silence prevails. It is a wholly unsatisfactory response. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/apr/21/the-voting-farce-questions-the-spfl-must-answer-but-hasnt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu43rigger 327 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: I think you might be wrong though stu43 is a strange one. I’ve been called worse to be fair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge 865 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, Sweetheart said: . So the SPFL are refusing an EGM despite the requisite 25% of clubs wanting an internal investigation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie0202 12,569 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 8 hours ago, Ned Ryerson said: I'm very rarely wrong. Never unwilling to admit when I am though. Enjoy you're drink. Its an anxiety ridden time just now and who could blame you for getting lathered. Mon the People Lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroonBear 700 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 6 hours ago, Sweetheart said: The SPFL have said they will do an internal inquiry but then released a statement saying they find themselves to have done no wrong. Is this the official findings of their internal inquiry? If that's the case then they're not going to entertain the call for an independent inquiry, so why are they asking for all of Rangers evidence? The ball firmly in Rangers court so what will they do. Do they wait for the SFA to over rule the SPFL and instigate an independent inquiry? Do they call for an EGM? or do they do a 'Mark Daly styled' documentary exposing wrong doings to the world, then write a letters to leaders in UEFA and THE SFA demanding a independent inquiry, just like Lawwell did with our club? As a supporter of one of the SPFL members, you (or anyone) would be entitled to submit a Freedom of Information (FoI) to the SPFL and ask the simple question "Has the SPFL carried out an internal enquiry relating to the recent claims made against the organisation? If so, can the SPFL please forward on a copy of the internal enquiry report?". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 43,750 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 UEFA decision day isn't it? What does everyone think they will do? I personally think they are not going to decide anything today. Probably leave it till this time next month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Traive 23,291 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, Sweetheart said: . Great article and these questions need to keep getting asked until they are answered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 110,416 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Just now, esquire8 said: UEFA decision day isn't it? What does everyone think they will do? I personally think they are not going to decide anything today. Probably leave it till this time next month. Still try get games played. Germany looking at starting back, England talking about it. Theyll give it as much time as possible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,513 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, BroonBear said: As a supporter of one of the SPFL members, you (or anyone) would be entitled to submit a Freedom of Information (FoI) to the SPFL and ask the simple question "Has the SPFL carried out an internal enquiry relating to the recent claims made against the organisation? If so, can the SPFL please forward on a copy of the internal enquiry report?". I don’t believe FOI applies to the spfl as it’s usually for public funded bodies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,513 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, esquire8 said: UEFA decision day isn't it? What does everyone think they will do? I personally think they are not going to decide anything today. Probably leave it till this time next month. The greed of money motivates them so anything or nothing could happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Brackley said: When did this Les Gray character from Hamilton become the SPFL spokesman. All the soundbites to the media on everything seem to be coming from him. This morning he's spouting why our loan proposal was rejected and loans were always available and they never ever said otherwise. He's obviously reading from Liewells script. Can someone remind me what Doncaster is paid to do? One of Liewells trusted key workers in all things corrupt Been on the board for quite a while i think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 47 minutes ago, Sweetheart said: . Good for this guy at the Guardian . Hope he has good alternative options in his industry when this is all over Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hedgehog 10,673 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Why won’t anyone from a club come out and say “We believe an end should be called to the season. We think standings should stand as they are, prize monies given out on the standings but no champions, no promotion and no relegation. We don’t believe that during these unprecedented times that any team should be unfairly rewarded or punished”. I have yet to hear an argument to say that’s not possible. As I have mentioned before a champion, relegation and promotion don’t have to happen. Plenty of examples of all three not happening in various seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopsleftboot 5,512 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Dave Hedgehog said: Why won’t anyone from a club come out and say “We believe an end should be called to the season. We think standings should stand as they are, prize monies given out on the standings but no champions, no promotion and no relegation. We don’t believe that during these unprecedented times that any team should be unfairly rewarded or punished”. I have yet to hear an argument to say that’s not possible. As I have mentioned before a champion, relegation and promotion don’t have to happen. Plenty of examples of all three not happening in various seasons. Exactly what I said ages ago...the only consideration on top of that is European qualification. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueThunder 8,454 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 30 minutes ago, esquire8 said: UEFA decision day isn't it? What does everyone think they will do? I personally think they are not going to decide anything today. Probably leave it till this time next month. Isn’t it the 23rd? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 30 minutes ago, esquire8 said: UEFA decision day isn't it? What does everyone think they will do? I personally think they are not going to decide anything today. Probably leave it till this time next month. The UEFA Executive Committee will meet via videoconference next Thursday 23 April. 020 - Information session for member associations scheduled for 21 April The UEFA Executive Committee will meet via videoconference next Thursday 23 April for an update meeting to discuss the latest developments regarding the impact caused by the coronavirus outbreak on European football. This meeting will follow an information session for the General Secretaries of UEFA’s 55 member associations on Tuesday 21 April. The meetings will look at developments across both domestic and European competitions. Further communication will be made, if necessary, following the meeting of the UEFA Executive Committee. https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/about-uefa/news/newsid=2641364.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 43,750 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, BlueThunder said: Isn’t it the 23rd? Yeah I wasnt quite sure. Thought it was on a tuesday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hedgehog 10,673 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, coopsleftboot said: Exactly what I said ages ago...the only consideration on top of that is European qualification. European qualification is difficult as that can be seen as a reward that wasn’t earned. The easiest way to decide is on finish positions but the FA has a right in each country to forward teams to represent them, I’m sure I read that somewhere. 👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 84,195 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 These threads always descend into the exact same 4 or 5 posters just going round in circles for pages on end with no new news Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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