The constant media pressure on VAR and referees

[Colin Traive 22,854]

1 hour ago, KingKirk said:

Cheating bastards wasn't enough of a error to get involved 😆😆😆

It is either an error or it isn’t.

Its like being slightly unique or slightly pregnant. 

 

[magic8ball 27,901]

28 minutes ago, KingKirk said:

The worry is not a big enough mistake to get involved. Goal or no goal what can be a bigger issue than that? 

Puts it onto somebody to have an opinion on wether it’s serious enough ,You don’t get more serious than a goal .

[dummiesoot 16,008]

With that dougal explanation VAR is a complete waste of time, still comes down to opinion of the cheating bastard ref or the cheating bastard VAR official.

the fat sweaty Aussie prick and his acolytes have stopped talking about VAR, wonder why.

[GWR1979 1,964]

1 hour ago, KingKirk said:

 

FORMER top flight referee Stuart Dougal insists VAR simply could NOT get involved after Alfredo Morelos' controversially disallowed goal in Saturday's Old Firm clash.

The Rangers striker bundled the ball in at the back post and thought he'd given his side the lead in the derby against celtic.

But referee Kevin Clancy penalised the Colombian for a push on Hoops defender Alistair Johnston, and the goal was wiped out.

VAR Nick Walsh reviewed the footage, but decided against intervening and on-field ref Clancy's decision stood as called.

Gers boss Michael Beale felt it was a 'rough decision' that went against this side, and the Ibrox club are seeking answers from the SFA over why the goal was chopped off.

On commentary, Light Blues legend Ally McCoist savaged the decision and said it made VAR look like a "laughing stock."

Former SPFL referee Des Roache reckoned it should have been a goal, but fellow top flight whistler Stuart Dougal has explained why, in his opinion, there was simply no way that VAR could get involved.

Dougal doesn't believe the incident meets the threshold of a 'clear and obvious error' - and reckons that the only option was to stand by the referee's initial decision.

Dougal told the BBC VARdict: "Kevin's called it as he's seen it. The problem, if you like, for certain factions is that VAR can't intervene here.

"It's not seen as a clear and obvious error. If there is something much more blatant, if there is no contact whatsoever, then VAR could step in and ask the referee to have a look at it again.

"Where they're looking at that clip and it's 50/50, 60/40, depending on which side of the fence you're on.

"VAR, under the current protocols, can't get involved."

VARdict host Al Lamont then questioned whether or not Clancy could have let the goal stand at the time, letting VAR then rule on it.

However, Dougal dismissed that suggestion.

He added: "The simple reason is that if Kevin doesn't call that the way that he has and he is relying on VAR and VAR says to him 'you're wrong' then it means Kevin's wrong.

"By not making a decision, he can still be wrong. It's important that the referee team call the shots as they see them and if they need VAR to rescue them then that's what can happen."

There was more controversy in the second-half, again involving Morelos and Johnston.

There wasn't much attention given to it at the time, but some onlookers feel the Gers had a case for a penalty.

Replays showed Johnston pulling at the Ibrox striker's shirt as he looked to get on the end of a corner.

Dougal, again, explained why VAR couldn't intervene in this incident although he feels that had a spot-kick been awarded by the on-field officials, then it WOULDN'T have been overturned by the video referee either.

Dougal said: "I think that's into a borderline, whether there's enough in there to get Kevin to have a look at that.

"Both players, and we're seeing a lot, with a bit of jousting is fine. Where one is being clearly impeded whilst the other one is making no attempt to go for the ball, that's where normally where VAR would step in and say there's too much going on.

"In this situation, there's a bit of wrestling and if the referee gives a penalty, VAR wouldn't overturn it because it's not a clear and obvious error the other way.

"High risk but not enough for VAR to get involved

They are a disgrace and corrupt from the third division we have been refereed to a different standard. VAR was meant to stop the bias and the glaring obvious wrong calls, Scotland is now on a par with dodgy African leagues absolutely corrupt to the core. Clancy and Walsh should be no where near our games, can't leave the bias at the door for there boyhood heroes. Even if we do sort out individual errors what's the point if every 50 50 decision goes to the tarrier every time. Not the first time Clancy has left his mark on an old firm game, it should never be allowed to happen again, And if we as a club allow this to continue then we have failed. 

[wotmeworry 92]

44 minutes ago, magic8ball said:

So basically VAR can be interpreted to suit ,That’s not what’s needed ,

watched most of those bbc vardict videos and Dougal almost invariably 

comes over as ref and var always right in their decisions - just an

apologist for them

[Jamie0202 12,363]

Said it on Saturday but I knew that the "clear and obvious" line would be used to justify VAR not asking the ref to review his on-field decision. We're going to have to accept that part of it and take it on the chin.

What we CANNOT and SHOULD NOT accept is yet another ridiculous performance from Clancy which has went beyond incompetence and IMO was blatant cheating. We need to be vocal about this as he should NEVER referee another old firm game ever again. He shouldn't even have been refereeing the game at the weekend after his performance a couple of seasons ago in a game which we won in spite of him.

The league was gone well before Saturday but we do still have a trophy to play for this season so we need to keep going on about this to ensure we get a fair crack of the whip for the semi.

Complaining about VAR is slightly letting Clancy off the hook and taking focus off of his blatant cheating which is where we need to be putting all of our effort.

McGregor should have been sent off as well as I'm sure that it was he who took out Cantwell but escaped a booking when we were breaking forward in the first half just moments before he got booked for the handbags with Raskin. 

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,780]

2 hours ago, gogzy said:

I don't know if it's total incompetence or something more sinister, but it's consistent.

If he was just incompetent we'd all have just cause to say it. But the scum don't really anywhere near as much as us, though they do claim he's against them (imo due somewhat to accurate decisions he often rightly awards against them).

But the 2-1 game from years back was as much proof as needed other than him actually admitting he's biased. He was getting different outcomes for almost identical situations. The two shirtpull incidents involving Katic and Aribo were entirley differently adjudged.  And like on Sat seeing fouls against us that weren't there with, again, Alfie the victim on Sat and when he was pulled down as last man in the older game and awarded against in both. Its as much an issue with Morelos as Rangers, he is nowhere near refereed by Clancy with fairness and consistency others get.

It's illogical to see it other than bias when it is so constant, so one sidedly wrong, so impactive on results, and when in 90 mins there's alternative outcomes for identical incidents.

[Sunglasses Ron 2,498]

2 hours ago, KingKirk said:

 

FORMER top flight referee Stuart Dougal insists VAR simply could NOT get involved after Alfredo Morelos' controversially disallowed goal in Saturday's Old Firm clash.

The Rangers striker bundled the ball in at the back post and thought he'd given his side the lead in the derby against celtic.

But referee Kevin Clancy penalised the Colombian for a push on Hoops defender Alistair Johnston, and the goal was wiped out.

VAR Nick Walsh reviewed the footage, but decided against intervening and on-field ref Clancy's decision stood as called.

Gers boss Michael Beale felt it was a 'rough decision' that went against this side, and the Ibrox club are seeking answers from the SFA over why the goal was chopped off.

On commentary, Light Blues legend Ally McCoist savaged the decision and said it made VAR look like a "laughing stock."

Former SPFL referee Des Roache reckoned it should have been a goal, but fellow top flight whistler Stuart Dougal has explained why, in his opinion, there was simply no way that VAR could get involved.

Dougal doesn't believe the incident meets the threshold of a 'clear and obvious error' - and reckons that the only option was to stand by the referee's initial decision.

Dougal told the BBC VARdict: "Kevin's called it as he's seen it. The problem, if you like, for certain factions is that VAR can't intervene here.

"It's not seen as a clear and obvious error. If there is something much more blatant, if there is no contact whatsoever, then VAR could step in and ask the referee to have a look at it again.

"Where they're looking at that clip and it's 50/50, 60/40, depending on which side of the fence you're on.

"VAR, under the current protocols, can't get involved."

VARdict host Al Lamont then questioned whether or not Clancy could have let the goal stand at the time, letting VAR then rule on it.

However, Dougal dismissed that suggestion.

He added: "The simple reason is that if Kevin doesn't call that the way that he has and he is relying on VAR and VAR says to him 'you're wrong' then it means Kevin's wrong.

"By not making a decision, he can still be wrong. It's important that the referee team call the shots as they see them and if they need VAR to rescue them then that's what can happen."

There was more controversy in the second-half, again involving Morelos and Johnston.

There wasn't much attention given to it at the time, but some onlookers feel the Gers had a case for a penalty.

Replays showed Johnston pulling at the Ibrox striker's shirt as he looked to get on the end of a corner.

Dougal, again, explained why VAR couldn't intervene in this incident although he feels that had a spot-kick been awarded by the on-field officials, then it WOULDN'T have been overturned by the video referee either.

Dougal said: "I think that's into a borderline, whether there's enough in there to get Kevin to have a look at that.

"Both players, and we're seeing a lot, with a bit of jousting is fine. Where one is being clearly impeded whilst the other one is making no attempt to go for the ball, that's where normally where VAR would step in and say there's too much going on.

"In this situation, there's a bit of wrestling and if the referee gives a penalty, VAR wouldn't overturn it because it's not a clear and obvious error the other way.

"High risk but not enough for VAR to get involved

“there was simply no way that VAR could get involved.” What a total crock of shit. 

[GWR1979 1,964]

1 hour ago, Jamie0202 said:

Said it on Saturday but I knew that the "clear and obvious" line would be used to justify VAR not asking the ref to review his on-field decision. We're going to have to accept that part of it and take it on the chin.

What we CANNOT and SHOULD NOT accept is yet another ridiculous performance from Clancy which has went beyond incompetence and IMO was blatant cheating. We need to be vocal about this as he should NEVER referee another old firm game ever again. He shouldn't even have been refereeing the game at the weekend after his performance a couple of seasons ago in a game which we won in spite of him.

The league was gone well before Saturday but we do still have a trophy to play for this season so we need to keep going on about this to ensure we get a fair crack of the whip for the semi.

Complaining about VAR is slightly letting Clancy off the hook and taking focus off of his blatant cheating which is where we need to be putting all of our effort.

McGregor should have been sent off as well as I'm sure that it was he who took out Cantwell but escaped a booking when we were breaking forward in the first half just moments before he got booked for the handbags with Raskin. 

Mcgregor has taken on the brown mantra of being allowed to foul as many times as he likes without being sent off. 

[KingKirk 25,665]

1 hour ago, Jamie0202 said:

Said it on Saturday but I knew that the "clear and obvious" line would be used to justify VAR not asking the ref to review his on-field decision. We're going to have to accept that part of it and take it on the chin.

What we CANNOT and SHOULD NOT accept is yet another ridiculous performance from Clancy which has went beyond incompetence and IMO was blatant cheating. We need to be vocal about this as he should NEVER referee another old firm game ever again. He shouldn't even have been refereeing the game at the weekend after his performance a couple of seasons ago in a game which we won in spite of him.

The league was gone well before Saturday but we do still have a trophy to play for this season so we need to keep going on about this to ensure we get a fair crack of the whip for the semi.

Complaining about VAR is slightly letting Clancy off the hook and taking focus off of his blatant cheating which is where we need to be putting all of our effort.

McGregor should have been sent off as well as I'm sure that it was he who took out Cantwell but escaped a booking when we were breaking forward in the first half just moments before he got booked for the handbags with Raskin. 

He's disallowed a goal if we can't intervine at that point then what's the point? 

For balance I get that if it is given as a goal it won't be overturned however as a goal is scored it would be looked at clearly this wasn't even looked at when it should of been 

[KingKirk 25,665]

Big bad Rangers eh go nuclear Rangers fuck them 

[KingKirk 25,665]

Where was the support for John Beaton when he required 24hr security? 

[BlueboyG 5,241]

19 minutes ago, KingKirk said:

Big bad Rangers eh go nuclear Rangers fuck them 

[magic8ball 27,901]

2 hours ago, KingKirk said:

Big bad Rangers eh go nuclear Rangers fuck them 

Give details of what was in the online messages but SFA about the reply to the request from Rangers .

Brighton received an apology on Sunday morning regarding dodgy VAR