Honestly, What’s Changed?

[G.E.C. 18,870]

51 minutes ago, The Specky Liar said:

We won at a canter because we dropped 12 points all season.

Does feel like a lot of history is being rewritten to suit certain agendas here.

[Bigdave30 8,724]

10 minutes ago, gj923 said:

Since Gerrard came we have a bigger net spend than them and indeed they are in profit. We have 33 first team players (probably a whole team of them are injured mind you) with them having 26. You are completely correct though when you call for Wilson to be punted but the sad thing is that the board think he's doing a tremendous job.

Surely not?!

[The Ibrox Derry 8,933]

52 minutes ago, The FF Snitch said:

This is from February 2020 for fucks sake, yet it sounds all too familiar

 

3 years later, and all players who were mentioned, are still here 

[gj923 1,457]

1 minute ago, Bigdave30 said:

Surely not?!

Posted it on some other thread earlier in the week and from memory the difference was about 20m. We have sold 3 players for decent money in that time but they have sold about 8 or 9.

[Kylegib 516]

13 minutes ago, gj923 said:

Since Gerrard came we have a bigger net spend than them and indeed they are in profit. We have 33 first team players (probably a whole team of them are injured mind you) with them having 26. You are completely correct though when you call for Wilson to be punted but the sad thing is that the board think he's doing a tremendous job.

That can't be true about the net spend.

[Kylegib 516]

8 minutes ago, G.E.C. said:

Does feel like a lot of history is being rewritten to suit certain agendas here.

It certainly is

[gj923 1,457]

6 minutes ago, Kylegib said:

That can't be true about the net spend.

Gerrard came at the start of the 2018/19 season and in 5 seasons up to this one we have spent according to transfermarket 54.3M and sold 52.27M (basically nearly 50M in the last 2 seasons)

Prior to us winning 55 Gerrard was getting slated for getting to spend 30-35M but with no silverware to show for it

They have spent 107.1 M but brought in 127.4

Every year our wage bill has steadily rose as well

[The Specky Forum Organiser 65,300]

12 minutes ago, Kylegib said:

That can't be true about the net spend.

Why, they have sold Dembele, Edouard, Ajer, Tierney and Juranovic for a fortune 

[Madina 3,860]

I feel when 55 was won many in the squad thought that was "job done" and theyve been living off that ever since. We won that league at a canter, the tims were in turmoil, they hired a nobody manager we all thought would be sacked by Christmas. We should have pressed on from there and been the dominant team in Scotland for years to come, but we were one season wonders. 

[BlueSuedeSambas 54,074]

 

8 minutes ago, The Specky Liar said:

Why, they have sold Dembele, Edouard, Ajer, Tierney and Juranovic for a fortune 

Everybody is raging just now, but it’s a completely lopsided basis for comparison, maybe not over the past couple of years, but if you go back to include 18-19/19-20 then it is. 

Gerrard took over at the start of 18-19 and had to rebuild an entire squad which apparently only had five players who he identified as being ones he wanted to keep, one of who was Windass who we sold for 2.5 million that same Summer. That same Summer celtic sold Dembele and Armstrong for a combined 26 million.

Until the Summer of 2019 we had no real assets to sell. 

[Bigdave30 8,724]

23 minutes ago, gj923 said:

Posted it on some other thread earlier in the week and from memory the difference was about 20m. We have sold 3 players for decent money in that time but they have sold about 8 or 9.

Sickening.

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,656]

25 minutes ago, G.E.C. said:

Does feel like a lot of history is being rewritten to suit certain agendas here.

No one denies we only dropped 12pts, the argument could be that we only dropped 12pts because the tarriers were so bad there was no pressure on the team, pressure that we know they can't handle 

The ibrox new year OF game for example, tims in disarray, chance to really drive them into the ground etc, we didn't manage one shot on target in 90mins, but as luck would have it we still won lol

I cant remember how many points was in it when dubai-gate happened, but they came back and dropped 6pts in 3 games, and if you remember correctly we were pretty poor at that point, struggling to win games like killoe at home, drawing with Hamilton away (again we got an own goal that day, the day mcgregor said we were shite essentially lol)

Theres a big argument that could say if we were put under pressure we'd have collapsed that season as well

[G.E.C. 18,870]

5 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

No one denies we only dropped 12pts, the argument could be that we only dropped 12pts because the tarriers were so bad there was no pressure on the team, pressure that we know they can't handle 

The ibrox new year OF game for example, tims in disarray, chance to really drive them into the ground etc, we didn't manage one shot on target in 90mins, but as luck would have it we still won lol

I cant remember how many points was in it when dubai-gate happened, but they came back and dropped 6pts in 3 games, and if you remember correctly we were pretty poor at that point, struggling to win games like killoe at home, drawing with Hamilton away (again we got an own goal that day, the day mcgregor said we were shite essentially lol)

Theres a big argument that could say if we were put under pressure we'd have collapsed that season as well

Celtic didn’t win an away game between February and October that calendar year. They would have been nowhere near us regardless of what happened pre Dubai.

PS, don’t deny there were some poor performances but we were so good defensively then, had real resilience to scrap a win.

[The Specky Forum Organiser 65,300]

7 minutes ago, BlueSuedeSambas said:

 

Everybody is raging just now, but it’s a completely lopsided basis for comparison, maybe not over the past couple of years, but if you go back to include 18-19/19-20 then it is. 

Gerrard took over at the start of 18-19 and had to rebuild an entire squad which apparently only had five players who he identified as being ones he wanted to keep, one of who was Windass who we sold for 2.5 million that same Summer. That same Summer celtic sold Dembele and Armstrong for a combined 26 million.

Until the Summer of 2019 we had no real assets to sell. 

It is, but over the last few years we have let probably £50m worth of assets(Kent, Morelos, Kamara, Barisic) depreciate to the point we'd be do well to get £8m for them now.

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,656]

17 minutes ago, gj923 said:

Gerrard came at the start of the 2018/19 season and in 5 seasons up to this one we have spent according to transfermarket 54.3M and sold 52.27M (basically nearly 50M in the last 2 seasons)

Prior to us winning 55 Gerrard was getting slated for getting to spend 30-35M but with no silverware to show for it

They have spent 107.1 M but brought in 127.4

Every year our wage bill has steadily rose as well

Its the wage bill thats the killer, they are easily getting more value for money than we are, arguably we never have done with this shower

[King Jela 20,515]

Fucking hell that takes me back to even darker times. Got the same feeling now of helplessness I did back then after that result. 

It's undoubtedly the players. McGregor, Tav, Goldson, Barisic, Kamara, Jack, Kent and Morelos have all proved they can't do it over the course of a season and got lucky with the one they did win due to the Torbett's capitulation. 

[Kylegib 516]

9 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

No one denies we only dropped 12pts, the argument could be that we only dropped 12pts because the tarriers were so bad there was no pressure on the team, pressure that we know they can't handle 

The ibrox new year OF game for example, tims in disarray, chance to really drive them into the ground etc, we didn't manage one shot on target in 90mins, but as luck would have it we still won lol

I cant remember how many points was in it when dubai-gate happened, but they came back and dropped 6pts in 3 games, and if you remember correctly we were pretty poor at that point, struggling to win games like killoe at home, drawing with Hamilton away (again we got an own goal that day, the day mcgregor said we were shite essentially lol)

Theres a big argument that could say if we were put under pressure we'd have collapsed that season as well

That season was being billed as the most important season in Scottish Football history we even had Clancy coming out in the media saying him and his colleagues know how important the season was for celtic if you remember correctly, to say there was no pressure is seriously rewriting history.

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,656]

5 minutes ago, G.E.C. said:

Celtic didn’t win an away game between February and October that calendar year. They would have been nowhere near us regardless of what happened pre Dubai.

PS, don’t deny there were some poor performances but we were so good defensively then, had real resilience to scrap a win.

What they did between feb and october is completely different if they dont fuck the title race by then, 

Remember the year before (when it was called early) they came back from dubai knowing we were a game in hand from going top of the league, they won every game bar one draw and were about to rock up to ibrox and embarrass us before the government shut the show down

Had they come back from dubai in covid season and won every game to put pressure on us, do you honestly think the squad we had and still mostly have, would have handled the pressure 

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,656]

2 minutes ago, Kylegib said:

That season was being billed as the most important season in Scottish Football history we even had Clancy coming out in the media saying him and his colleagues know how important the season was for celtic if you remember correctly, to say there was no pressure is seriously rewriting history.

Obviously pre season there was pressure, that quickly evaporated when the tarriers started imploding 

[G.E.C. 18,870]

Just now, Jimbeamjunior said:

What they did between feb and october is completely different if they dont fuck the title race by then, 

Remember the year before (when it was called early) they came back from dubai knowing we were a game in hand from going top of the league, they won every game bar one draw and were about to rock up to ibrox and embarrass us before the government shut the show down

Had they come back from dubai in covid season and won every game to put pressure on us, do you honestly think the squad we had and still mostly have, would have handled the pressure 

Skooshed it mate.

[Loyal72 11,545]

1 minute ago, Kylegib said:

That season was being billed as the most important season in Scottish Football history we even had Clancy coming out in the media saying him and his colleagues know how important the season was for celtic if you remember correctly, to say there was no pressure is seriously rewriting history.

It's what that lot do, they rewrite history, and sweep most of it away under a big rug.

Holds no bearing, we won the league, we have the 55th banner in the trophy room.

[Craiggybear 6,192]

1 hour ago, gj923 said:

Posted it on some other thread earlier in the week and from memory the difference was about 20m. We have sold 3 players for decent money in that time but they have sold about 8 or 9.

Our board gave themselves a big pat on the back for Bassey and Aribo but Scum generally sell 2 or 3 players every season for good money. Looking at Transfermrkt website is an eye-opener.

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/celtic-glasgow/transfers/verein/371

 

Juranovic and the Greek cunt this season for around 12 Million, last season they got just under 30 million for Eduard and Ajar. Another 15 million season before that. 

 

Looking at our current squad we've got nothing close to that for future income. Our recruitment since 55 has been terrible. 

[Kylegib 516]

10 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

What they did between feb and october is completely different if they dont fuck the title race by then, 

Remember the year before (when it was called early) they came back from dubai knowing we were a game in hand from going top of the league, they won every game bar one draw and were about to rock up to ibrox and embarrass us before the government shut the show down

Had they come back from dubai in covid season and won every game to put pressure on us, do you honestly think the squad we had and still mostly have, would have handled the pressure 

That's an awful lot of what ifs 

What if we won at Ibrox and our game in hand and then beat them at the piggery? You see being hypothetical is easy.

[cr3_bear 14,905]

15 minutes ago, G.E.C. said:

Skooshed it mate.

We still bottled what should have been an easy treble 

At the time we all got swept up in the euphoria of 55 and managed to swat that fact off. I was guilty of it too. As time moves on though it becomes clear those were two opportunities stupidly missed 

[Loyal72 11,545]

Actually looking at it, nothing at all has changed, on our side anyway.

This board have still been marching forward with mediocrity, still happy to have the same failure players kicking about since 2019, swapping managers and all the rest but wondering why we've still not won much.

The one opportunity we had to completely change and flip the cycle, this board took the pressure off in going with a gamble that the same squad would win the league again, exploded in our faces that one.

When it all started going wrong again, decided to spend all our money on crap players and EH. 

This board have been rattling along on autopilot, saying the right words, but rarely fucking doing anything.

We employed the struggling managing director from Motherwell ffs! They were in a relegation battle and had to win a play off against us, when this guy was their MD.

He was shite for Motherwell, but we thought fuck it you'll be good enough for Rangers.

Nothing at all has changed, this board are still sleepwalking us into another period of domination from that lot.

No amount of managers will change it, this board and the serial losers within the club need to go.